Ok just so I understand. So I should wait 5 weeks before starting HCG? Then when it’s done start the regular PCT clomid/nolva?
So I rewrote the cycle, please advise if this is wrong.
Week 01-12 Test E 750mg a week.
Week 01-12 Arimidex .25mg EOD.
Week 06-12 Tren Ace 400mg a week.
Week 17-23-HCG 250ui ED till 10,000ui is done.
Week 23-25 100mg of Clomid & 40mg Nolva ED.
Week 26-28 50mg of Clomid & 20mg Nolva ED.
Look into low test high tren cycles. 300mg test/week, 500mg/tren.
I personally have never run tren but some of my friends swear by this. When i do run it thats how I would.
Also iv been told adding a dht derivative like mast helps mitigate a lot of tren sides.
As well has high doses of vitamin b6
Thank you for the advice. That’s why I wanted to stick in the 400mg range. I’ll also look into the dht and vitamin b6
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It should look more like this:
Week 1-12 Test E
Week 4-12 Tren A
Week 1-12 Arimidex as needed
Week 12-14 HCG 500iu twice a week
Week 14-18 PCT of Nolva 40/40/20/20
This is probably the most simplified way to do this without going overboard on any one thing. HCG is great to get your LH back up and running, but it’s not a substitute for a proper pct. So if you run it for five weeks and then start the Nolva you’ll be feeling pretty lousy during that time. You’ll be in a low (or more likely no) testosterone state for too long. That’ll make it harder to keep gains, keep from gaining any additional body fat, etc.
So keep the dosage the same for test and tren correct?
Probably can keep the test at 500 rather than 750, but it’s entirely up to you. Like Zeek said, low test/high tren is very popular and delivers insane results. But it’s your body and you’ll have to figure out what works for you.
This was a damn scary cycle. I don’t know how people just jump on gear without knowing anything. Takes me months to settle on something. I mean you have to know your body and what gear will work for you to overcome your weak points.
If I was you I would no longer use that trainer, rather look for a retired competitive bodybuilder who has turned trainer IMHO.
I wanted to keep the test high to minimize side effects if that makes any sense. Since it’s my first time trying tren, I wanted to do a low dose. I paid that guy like 50 bucks for that advice. Idk 50 is 50 but the guy is huge and does compete.
From my understanding keeping the test higher than the tren causes your estrogen to spike which then amplifys the side effects of tren. This is what the people who I train with who are much more experienced than me have always told me. Keep the test low the tren higher to minimize estrogen levels because high estrogen exasperates tren sides and also to always run a dht dirivative along side the tren.
Everyone has different things that work for them i am a big fan of the “occam’s razor theory” which states
"Occam’s razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that “simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones”.
The low test higher tren run a dht and use vitamin b and caber if needed is a simple concept that makes sense to me
Ok, I’m not starting this cycle anytime soon. I’ve been researching this since my last cycle (dosages) from what I’ve read and heard 400mg of tren a week is a very low dose. So what do you suggest in terms of dosage since it will be my first time taking tren. My last cycle was mast and test E. Iron helped a great deal.
Blahahaha. I use 150 mg tren a week when I used it off and on pre contest. Max 200. 400 is a
“Low dose”??
Go over to Reddit and see what they consider to be “effective” doses. Guys over there swear that anything less and a gram of EQ is a waste. The zeitgeist right now says MOAR IS BETTER.
So stupid. I can’t even begin to say how stupid it is. What’s ineffective is their shit training.
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Like I stated before it’s what I’ve read and heard. Hence why I’m on this thread. If you may provide much more information, I would appreciate it greatly.
There was a few guys running something like 700mg of TRESTOLONE/wk… My left ventricle explodes every time I go onto r/steroids, I’m surprised some of these guys are still alive with the lifestyles some of them talk about living.
I apologise if this isn’t a good time to mention this, however I believe you did at one point use something like 300mg tren/wk for a couple years. I’m going off memory from a previous post I read a while ago. Still very mild compared to what people on r/steroids take (people taking like 700mg Tren + DHT derivative + test + a plethora of orals…) and other people egg them on like “Broo gonna get those gainzzzz”. Then we find out the OP using these doses is like 5’9 and 145 lbs, 48% BF
More is better when it comes to acquiring cardiac damage, just food for thought, maybe that’s what they’re aiming for?
I did use 300 a week but that was e. So the equivalent of 200 a week of a.
Im not comfortable suggesting doses of gear for other people. I can only tell you how i would run it if i were to do it.
I would probably run 350-400 tren/week and 300mg test/week along with low dose mast probably 200mg/week
Everyones different. As the doc said above he had great results at 150. Youl read about people who swear by 700+mg/week of tren. If running a gram a week is what works and you enjoy it then by all means blast away.
My main suggestion was just keeping the test low at 300mg a week with whatever amount of tren you run. Because i have hear good things from this method.
You can always start low and increase tren dose if your handling it well and feel you want more
Butbutbutbutbut, the Mu Tren = 272.372g/mol Mu of TE= 400.603g/mol
272.372/400.603=.679 (therefore) 67.9% is pure trenbologni sandwhich so 67.9mg/100mg 67.9*3=203.7mg of pure, unfiltered, unesterified liquid night sweats.
if we take TA Mu is 312.409
272.372/312.409 0.87 so 87mg of Tren no ester per 100mg. so per 200mg of Tren ace we have 174mg of Tren. Per 300mg of Tren E we have 203.7mg of unesterified trenbologni sandwhiches.
If we were to compare Tren A to Tren E 100*.697*x=174 = X= roughly 2.49 therefore 249mg of Tren E is equiv to 200mg Tren A.
I apologise if it seems as if I’m taking shots or arguing with you, this isn’t the case. I’m a very “by the numbers” guy, and this stuff kills me if I don’t get exact numbers or if someone gives a slightly off calculation. If we are rounding to the nearest 100, then yea it’s 200.
So what’s the max dose of Tren you’ve EVER used? (ever, even for a super short duration like one week)
Edit: I’m almost sure I don’t have the exact numbers of this equation right and it’s annoying me