It depends if you’re willing to take the significant, significant, SIGNIFICANT long term risks that are involved with running 1G of tren/wk + test + mast (even 1 G tren/wk alone). 99.99999% of bodybuilders have no need to run that much Tren. If an average gym rat told me he was running a G of Tren/wk I’d call him him out on being an idiot, as I wouldn’t be able to just idly stand by while someone damaged their body to that extent for no good reason.
With a tren dose of 150-200 what was your test dosage and what ester of test do you prefer with tren A?
Im by no means saying i agree with it but if its a grown man who am i to tell him what and what not to do with his body? If its someone asking for advice thats different for example on here if someone makes a thread saying they are gonna run a gram a week “what does everyone think” sure io give my 2¢ but if its a guy at the gym who i know is running it and says he loves it etc etc im not gonna tell him he needs to stop. Im not his daddy. Grown men need to be treated like grown men. We are all capable of the same level of research the internet and even the dumbest of brains has made that possible.
I guess what im saying is how i was raised i dont go around projecting my beliefs or trying to tell other grown men what to do unless my advice is solicited. I personally dont see any issue if someone wants to run a tren cycle at 400mg/week after they have done the research are aware of everything and still want to i think there is to much judging people and not enough supporting. Just because its not right for you or joe and bob doesn’t mean its not right for the next person
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I said I’d call him out, not lecture him. There’s a difference between me saying “hey bro I think that’s an idiotic and reckless thing to do, are you aware of the risks, it’s you’re call tho” and “you moron, you can’t run 1g of tren/wk” I can give said person recommendations. And I certainly wouldn’t encourage said individual (non competitive or competitive at non pro level) to run that much tren. Even at a pro level I wouldn’t encourage it. But to say
May come across as encouragement or egging said individual on.
People who are legally adults should be treated as so, however that doesn’t mean I’m going to condone or support reckless and dangerous behavior. If one of my acquaintances tells me he/she wants to try cocaine I’m going to give him my opinion and tell him I think it’s a bad idea and then state the numerous risks associated with cocaine use… And I’ll tell him/her I think they’re being idiotic.
Granted I’d sum the risks up realistically as I don’t legitimately know of anyone who has had a cocaine induced coronary vasospasm. However I’ll certainly include it as a risk
256.3mg of test E is equivalent to 200mg of test P. If you want to get all precise and shit 
I take it your pretty young? That was definitely something a young male would have done lol.
Are we talking about the calculations? I’m young, but I’m autistic and mildly OCD, therefore when something gets in my head I feel the obsessive urge to figure it out. I was talking about trenbolone btw, not testosterone, the molar mass of test vs Tren (unesterified) is different. However I did get the equation wrong. The molar mass of Tren is 270.37 g/mol. Lemme re do the equation
@UNREAL24278 get it right next time. was getting confused with Tren molar mass with test ester molar masses
270 (molar mass of Tren no ester) 270.37/382.544 (was using the molar mass of Test E not Tren E = .706 so 70.6% pure liquid trenabolognitoodle so 300mg = 211.8mg pure
Tren A molar mass 312.409 270.37/312.409 = .865 so 86.53= 259.5 100.865*x=211.8 = 2.448 = 244.8 mg
@physioLojik is this the right equation?
this is roughly correct right? so 244.8mg Tren A is equiv to 300mg Tren E.
@deanis55 I’m talking about Tren, not test. I do appreciate the calculation though as I like being precise as I tend to get super precise to avoid dosing too high when using different esters. It’s 100% an autism related thing… I think. I don’t use Tren tho, I use test (though I have used oxandrolone in the past, and very, VERY briefly nandrolone)
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@unreal24278 I was talking about tren too, didnt mean to put test in there. 256.3mg of tren E is equivalent to 200mg of tren P
test P or Tren A? Tren is much stronger than test mg/mg in both anabolic and androgenic potency. I apologise if I’m coming off as a smartass, that’s not my intention, it occurred to me that might be the case at the moment.
God damn auto correct tren tren tren haha
lol, so how’d you get that number btw?
I admit I didnt check the molar mass myself just used the numbers you provided.
So if 200mg of tren A = 174mg of actual tren and 300mg of tren E = 203.7mg of actual tren. 203.7÷300=0.679
174÷0.679=256.2mg of tren E equivalent to 200mg of tren P.
That of course is going of your original molar mass numbers, if they were wrong then so are my calculations haha
Haha you guys are hilarious.
In my mind the equivalency isn’t precise - it’s the net effect. For me 300 mg of tren e is comparable to 200 mg tren a. I know that’s vague but that’s my experience.
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I can see how you might think that but the full context was “if running a gram a week is what works blast away” so I’m not encouraging somone try it but if it’s what has always worked for you and your experienced with it then yes you are right I will support that grown man’s decision.
I don’t like how AAS is constantly compared to illicit narcotics. I will actually make the case that they are completely different. And I just recently made a comment on someones post saying AAS isn’t cocaine or ecstasy.
To say they both cause bodily harm etc is to broad a statement to make a comparison. Too much caffeine or the use of other legal substances can cause bodily harm why not start comparing gear to that? Idk this is just something I see often on here that annoys me. I live in Washington DC where drug addiction is rampant. You can see. People sucking dick for crack or shooting dope at bus stops daily. So when i see people making the comparison I think it’s hilarious.
Just to entertain this.
I would rather my friend try some coke then try some testosterone (whatever that even means a cycle? A shot? Whatever it may be)
Ok so I’ve cleaned it up a bit please advise on what you think.
Week 1-12 Test E 300mg/week
Week 1-12 Arimidex E 3rd D
Week4-12 Tren Ace 400mg/week
Week4-12 Mast 200mg/week
Week 12-14 Hcg 1000ui/week
Week 14-18 Nolva 40mg Ed & Clomid 100mg Ed.
Week 18- till done 20mg Nolva & 50mg Clomid
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Thats exactly how I would run that cycle. Except I would just use nolva for pct.
And I wouldn’t use hcg but that just for personal reasons
Maybe il try this cycle next 
That’s a ton of Clomid. But otherwise that looks fine.
Great I’ll just cut the colmid then and stay with nolva so 40/40/20/20. Thank you guys. I’ll post updates as I start the cycle.