Sorry for the missing factors! I am 44 years old, 6’0 220 lbs. Been working out off and on all my life but, most recently started working out 4-5 times per week for the last 14 months. Thanks again!
[quote]HaynSupaman wrote:
Sorry for the missing factors! I am 44 years old, 6’0 220 lbs. Been working out off and on all my life but, most recently started working out 4-5 times per week for the last 14 months. Thanks again![/quote]
Why do you people find it so hard to figure out how to post your own thread instead of cluttering up other people’s?
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
I switched quite a few things around since my supplier only has certain products. Here is what I am thinking.
Week 1-4___Adrol_______80mgED (20mg 4XD)
Week 1-9___Test-E______450mgE3D
Week 1-9___Masteron____50mgEOD
Week 1-9___A-dex_______0.25mgED
PCT(weeks 10 on up, but starting at 1 for convenience)
Week 1-5___Test-E______100mgEW
Week 6-9___Test-E_____(taperEW) 80, 60, 40, 20 (mgs)
Nolvadex on hand if needed
I also took a look at my darts I received the other day, and I just realized they are only a 3ml max (they say 3cc/mL). So, it looks like I am going to have to makes 2 injections to get that amount of test every third day. Oh well.
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A couple of thoughts here.
If you’re following Bill Roberts’ advice, you neglected the front loading portion of the cycle. There are mixed opinions on front loading; however, if you’re going with Bill’s plan, go for it all. It seems it would be important to front load, since your cycle is only nine weeks. Therefore, week one should include another 900mg of test, 900mg twice the first week for 1800mg. Then weeks 2 and on @ 450mg E3D. If that seems like too much, which sounds pretty daunting to me, then go with 900mg the first day of week one, then 450mg E3d from there on out.
The other thought was that most test-e is concentrated at 200mg/ml. If that’s the case for you, then your 3ml pins are good to go. 450mg would equate to a 2.25ml injection. Better find the vetro-glute site!
5.0
[quote]5.0 wrote:
The other thought was that most test-e is concentrated at 200mg/ml. If that’s the case for you, then your 3ml pins are good to go. 450mg would equate to a 2.25ml injection. Better find the vetro-glute site!
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Yeah. 2.25mls is one big shot. If that were me doing it, I’d probably split it to two shots. Ventro glute should be GTG, however. Wouldn’t want to try that in a biceps shot!
I am a little hesitant to do a front load because I was reading in multiple threads a while back that a frontload can hinder results due to the SHBG. Since I am jump starting my cycle with anadrol, is this really necessary? Also, I was skimming through Jelly Roll’s thread, and I realized I probably don’t need to start the a-dex till at least the second week. I will have to read through that again more thoroughly, but does that sound about right?
I am still debating the idea to increase my cycle length to 12 weeks. In addition, I still need to find the vetro-glute injection site (think I can find this online somewhere. I haven’t even attempted to look yet). Would it be better to inject a load that large twice?
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
I am a little hesitant to do a front load because I was reading in multiple threads a while back that a frontload can hinder results due to the SHBG. Since I am jump starting my cycle with anadrol, is this really necessary? Also, I was skimming through Jelly Roll’s thread, and I realized I probably don’t need to start the a-dex till at least the second week. I will have to read through that again more thoroughly, but does that sound about right?
I am still debating the idea to increase my cycle length to 12 weeks. In addition, I still need to find the vetro-glute injection site (think I can find this online somewhere. I haven’t even attempted to look yet). Would it be better to inject a load that large twice?[/quote]
I think with the jump start you have planned, you probably don’t need to front load. That was the only aspect I saw outside of Bill Roberts’ plan.
You’re right with the a’dex. Two weeks, give or take. My experience was at the end of three weeks, pretty similar. When bloat begins, start the a’dex regimen. Given your dosing is much higher than mine or Jelly Roll’s, it’s likely you’ll have to start sooner.
What you’ll find if you’re like some of us (well like me, anyway), is that you’ll feel soooo good on cycle, and enjoy the results enough that, when you get to week nine, you’ll want to extend it to 12. Nine weeks won’t be enough. Although there seems to be a leveling off of results, I made gains throughout the entire cycle, every workout, after about the third to fourth week.
I am thinking about not starting the oral (anadrol) till about 3 weeks into the cycle. I hear this makes the oral a bit more effective because the testosterone’s effects are just starting to kick in. What do you guys think about this? Also, do I have to worry so much about “lower back pumps” when on anadrol? Since d-bol is more likely to be converted to estrogen, is it less likely for me to suffer from these “back pumps”?
IMO the point of an oral kickstart for me at least has always been to, well, kickstart the gains before the test kicks in. So that way you get pumped (pun intended) to continue the cycle and work hard and stick to it.
Plus instant gratification for the most part and we all know how addictive that can be. As far as back pumps i’ve heard of people getting them with drol just as much as with d-bol.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
I switched quite a few things around since my supplier only has certain products. Here is what I am thinking.
Week 1-4___Adrol_______80mgED (20mg 4XD)
Week 1-9___Test-E______450mgE3D
Week 1-9___Masteron____50mgEOD
Week 1-9___A-dex_______0.25mgED
PCT(weeks 10 on up, but starting at 1 for convenience)
Week 1-5___Test-E______100mgEW
Week 6-9___Test-E_____(taperEW) 80, 60, 40, 20 (mgs)
Nolvadex on hand if needed
I also took a look at my darts I received the other day, and I just realized they are only a 3ml max (they say 3cc/mL). So, it looks like I am going to have to makes 2 injections to get that amount of test every third day. Oh well.
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WTF? Your doing this for a first cycle??? NOOOOOO
First cycle should be test E 500mg a week no more. You have no idea how these drugs will effect you. and thats a shit load of test for a first cycle. That amount could cause some problems. I swear I know advanced guys that use less gear than this.
I’m sending you a PM
I read one of prisoner’s post where he mentions this:
“Now of course you could start the orals right away and get the ‘kick start’ that everyone talks about, however IMO that will shorten your anabolic window as more SHBG will be produced off the hop, and by the time you really get training gains could be fewer.”
This is why I am considering waiting… But I could be wrong for my reasoning.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
IMO the point of an oral kickstart for me at least has always been to, well, kickstart the gains before the test kicks in. So that way you get pumped (pun intended) to continue the cycle and work hard and stick to it.
Plus instant gratification for the most part and we all know how addictive that can be. As far as back pumps i’ve heard of people getting them with drol just as much as with d-bol.[/quote]
Thanks for your concern. Bill Roberts knows his stuff pretty well, and he mentioned that around 1g of anabolics/week is completely reasonable and not excessive at all. Granted it is true that my body might not respond well to this amount, but I have accepted this risk.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
Jakebambeeno wrote:
I switched quite a few things around since my supplier only has certain products. Here is what I am thinking.
Week 1-4___Adrol_______80mgED (20mg 4XD)
Week 1-9___Test-E______450mgE3D
Week 1-9___Masteron____50mgEOD
Week 1-9___A-dex_______0.25mgED
PCT(weeks 10 on up, but starting at 1 for convenience)
Week 1-5___Test-E______100mgEW
Week 6-9___Test-E_____(taperEW) 80, 60, 40, 20 (mgs)
Nolvadex on hand if needed
I also took a look at my darts I received the other day, and I just realized they are only a 3ml max (they say 3cc/mL). So, it looks like I am going to have to makes 2 injections to get that amount of test every third day. Oh well.
WTF? Your doing this for a first cycle??? NOOOOOO
First cycle should be test E 500mg a week no more. You have no idea how these drugs will effect you. and thats a shit load of test for a first cycle. That amount could cause some problems. I swear I know advanced guys that use less gear than this.
I’m sending you a PM
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Hey priz knows his shit, cant argue that fact. He has much more experience im not arguing that either lol im just stating what has worked well for me and many others as i like the added boost it gives me to start them right off the bat.
and ya i didnt read that you were going to be taking like a gram and a half of AAS a week for your first cycle. Your nuts. good luck, really i hope nothing bad happens to you and you should log your cycle
Yes, I am planning of keeping a log on everything (diet, training, pictures (before, during, after), weight, and, most importantly, results be they good or bad). I think I’ll be alright with my anti-estrogens (famous last words eh?). If it is too much, I will definitely be listening to my body, and I will not hesitate to drop dose.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
and ya i didnt read that you were going to be taking like a gram and a half of AAS a week for your first cycle. Your nuts. good luck, really i hope nothing bad happens to you and you should log your cycle[/quote]
For one thing when Anadrol and a bunch of test hits your newbie receptors you can have some problems. Night sweats loss of appetite sleep etc. The result is you gain less. What about liver protection? 80 mg of anadrol can stress your liver killing your appetite. More is not always better.
Like Game_over said your nuts. Actually if you run this as a first cycle I’m going to say your a fucking idiot. You have no idea what your getting into. Keep this on hold for another time if your so dead set on trying it.
If you read my last post… I said I will not hesitate to drop dose if I need to whilst on cycle. I will take your word of caution and look into it some more before I begin. I still have time so relax. I did have someone I know at my gym running an amount very similar to my dose for his first cycle and had nothing but amazing results (which he kept).
I know everyone is different, so I will take this into consideration. For liver support not only will I eat a ton of veggies a day (as I do now), but I will also be taking in some herbs such as milk thistle.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
For one thing when Anadrol and a bunch of test hits your newbie receptors you can have some problems. Night sweats loss of appetite sleep etc. The result is you gain less. What about liver protection? 80 mg of anadrol can stress your liver killing your appetite. More is not always better.
Like Game_over said your nuts. Actually if you run this as a first cycle I’m going to say your a fucking idiot. You have no idea what your getting into. Keep this on hold for another time if your so dead set on trying it.
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How old are you?
I am 23. For my diet and training, review the beginning of this thread. Please don’t tell me I am too young to consider using.
Holy fenoly, dude, I think you need to make up your mind on what you want to do!
You’re flip-flopping back and forth more than a fish out of water. It looks like you find a well laid out cycle, and post that’s what you want to do. Then you continue to research, and find another cycle that makes sense to you, but you only take a part of it, and try to blend it into the first cycle you posted, which ultimately doesn’t make sense to do.
If you’re going with Bill Robert’s advice, then do JUST that.
If you want a test/d-bol or anadrol cycle, then do what makes sense, which is 4-500mg/test a week for 12 weeks, with an initial four week jumpstart with the dbol or anadrol, 40mg/day. Nothing more. Then taper off, PCT, whatever.
Or, a 12 weeker at 4-500mg/test a week for 12 weeks, period. Taper or PCT.
Keep it simple, for Pete’s sake!
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
I am 23. For my diet and training, review the beginning of this thread. Please don’t tell me I am too young to consider using.[/quote]
23 is fine but your cycle isn’t.