Hey guys!
Am Ted, 26 y.o. Living in Italy (Dad is American).
So basically I’m into my first ever cycle of Tren E and Test E.
I started at 400/200 (test/tren ratio)
Going up to 800/400 from week 3 till now (am having week 6 at this moment.
Please find attached pictures of before and present condition.
I went from 82 to 95 kgs (180 to 209 lbs) in 5.5 weeks.
I have to admit to have packed some fat (maybe water too) but not such a big deal.
My question is:
I am planning to run 20 weeks in total.
Which means I’ll go up to 800/500 and maybe 800/600 during final 4/5 weeks.
Any advises on PCT?
Blood work done 2 days ago.
All is great however I do have Aromasin and Cabergoline on hand in any case.
Thanks in advance guys!
K I’ll be honest… you look good… because you’re using tren… you have NO business using tren, those dosages for a first cycle and reckless, risky and irresponsible. You more than likely have no clue what you’re getting yourself into, quit while you’re ahead. If you want to cycle, and given that this is you’re first cycle, 3-400mg test is enough, less risky and will work if you put in the work
BUT… nice shoulder tattoo, I’m getting one when I get back to Aus (the Motörhead logo, the snarling dog on one of my shoulders). I’ve wanted it since I was 14 (was on the fence between Motörhead and black sabbath, reason I was leaning towards a black sabbath tattoo was due to Lemmys predispensity towards collecting nazi memorabilia. As a Jew I found that difficult, but seeing his interviews and supposedly anti racist rhetoric I believe he is perhaps merely fascinated with the notion of power, how they got away with what they did and not with the anti Jewish, wiping out race conceptualisation.
What is up with people using these retarded dosages right off the bat? This is why people within the fitness community are dropping of myocardial infarction, lethal arrhythmia in their 20s 30s and 40s… what happened to the golden era mentality when 1 gram was considered a lot, probably reserved to competitions… not recreational use
Thanks for your opinion sir.
Dosages were given to me by guys that compete indeed. (First 3 weeks were 600/200 and then I did 2 weeks 600/300 before going up to 800/400 which I’ll keep)
I found myself to be working in the maritime industry and my health is checked on a weekly basis. (ECG,BP etc etc)
Blood work was done and results are in normal rages
This is my first ever cycle, true, I tried just dbol and test when I was 18 (8 yrs go)
I did clen and eca lots of times during summer season 
As far as I know high dosage for tren would be 600+ which am not planning to reach.
I’ll keep this 800/400 dosage and keep getting blood works every 4 weeks.
Question is:
Am keeping seeing my body getting bigger at times while leaner at others.
Same with body weight.
A week I can get up to 3 lbs while on others I do keep same weight but I kinda see my Bf % dropping.
My diet is about 3200 kcal and is pretty clean and lean. (Used to be a fat boy the gym changed my life)
I’ll off topic now,
My dad happens to be observant Jew himself and didn’t really approve any of my tattoos.
Used to be an soldier in Israel too.
A recreational gym goer shan’t need to increase tren dosage (if they use it at all) above 350mg/wk. aside from the cardiotoxic, nephrotoxic, haematological effects etc… tren appears to be directly neurotoxic (Moreso than other AAS) and may oermenantly alter certain aspects of neurology/cognitive functioning. The risk/reward ratio really isn’t in you’re favour unless you’re making money doing this
If you’re fully informed and still decide to indulge then fine, but at least you’re aware
I praise you for the notion of weekly ecg’s though, that’s an incredibly smart move, one that 99% of AAS users will never take
Being a combat paramedic in the IDF teached me to take care of my health before of any “gains”.
Plus my job is at high altitudes on cruise ships so I do get checked as per local law. (Free ECG and basic BP is great thou)
However yeah, I do not notice any sides so far.
Tits are okay but prolactin and estradiol were okay too plus they feel fine
I do sweat at night pretty often and get irritated with things faster at times but nothing to worry about overly.
Is 800/400 really too high?
Only thing I used before AAS were Sarms (Yk11 and rad140 mostly)
I’ll be adding Cardarine soon. As it seems to be aiding tren
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Cardarine is carcinogenic in rodents within dosages similar to what humans take. There was a reason clinical trials were abruptly stopped. For a company to stop funding research on a drug that could potentially end the obesity epidemic… something was up
Yes, 800/400 is way unnecessary and way too high. You can only gain SO much on one cycle, and the difference from what you can gain and maintain from 500mg of just Test and what you are running won’t be ENOUGH (IMO) to justify the major risks you’re taking. Many guys refuse to touch Tren, it’s one of the worst in terms of risk and scares many off, others love it. By why take that much risk on a first cycle?
I’ve run 3 cycles and still very on the fence about Tren. There’s so many other options out there for the normal gym rat who doesn’t compete or do this professionally.
The normal recommendation for a first cycle is 300-500mg of Test only. You’re already taking basically double the recommended first cycle dosage of test.
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Oh and… as an individual raised of Jewish heritage… thank you for you’re service (IDF), I respect the hell out of you for that
My brother is supposedly going to join the IDF within the next couple of years
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My question is.
When I’ll be done, after 2 weeks from last pin I shall start PCT.
I do have tamoxifen, cabergoline and aromasin on hand.
However I do have access to any clomid,nolva… whatever.
As far as I know HCG is not necessary.
But what is taken after Tren +Test?
What are the best options?
Is posting pictures of yourself on a thread admitting you take AAS a smart move?
I also echo Aaron’s comments on dosage.
I wait up to 4 weeks before starting PCT (search the forum for “supraphysiological levels”, SB has discussed this quite a lot). For PCT I use Nolva only 40/40/20/20, but I haven’t run test and tren at that high a dose before. I’m sure others will be able to confirm if that is sufficient
Do a test only cycle or test with a light oral like anavar, proviron, turinabol. Or do an EQ/Test cycle. Not fucking Tren bro. That’s like telling someone to start with MENT for their first cycle.
He’s already 6 weeks in
It is perplexing that something like Cardarine was scrapped without an improvement on the immediate horizon. Yet, they did human trials on Cardarine too and never reported any adverse effects. Really, all of the popular SARMs did well in Phase I and Phase II clinical trials but for the most part were scrapped. All I’m saying is, research shows, at the very least, that humans can take 10mg Cardarine daily for 8 weeks and not get cancer.
8 wks doesn’t equate to long term safety. The ethics committee simply won’t take a risk like this, imagine the trouble a company would get in if they’d marketed a drug that caused cancer, knowing the potential for inducing cancerous growth… the lawsuits would be massive
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