First Cycle Proposal/Questions *cowers*

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Hi guys, I am a first time poster, long time lurker! Looking for some advice on a first cycle here, and hoping not to piss too many people off!!

24 years of age, and have been training since I was 18. I am 5’7 weighing in at 179lbs,around 14-15%bf - this IS an estimate, but I have been down as low as 4% 3 times, and as high as 26%(though just once, about 6 years ago, ha!) so I feel I can give a fairly accurate estimate of my bf.

My order just came in yesterday, and while they completely fucked it up(sent me shitloads of free oral dbol and winstrol, a tren-e/test-e/c mix, and no nolvadex, wtf??? Despite this bad sign, I do know them to be legit products, so no worries there. Just got some free stuff for down the line I guess!)

This is the cycle I have planned to start within this month:

Test-E for 10 weeks, 250mg E3D, with the nolvadex ready.
PCT - will be clomid, 50mg two times per day starting week 13, and and 25mg a day for the concurrent two weeks.

My doctor told me I wouldn’t likely need adex during cycle, but strongly recommends I come see him for some hcg when I show him my product. Now I really do not want to take hcg, and would feel better with an AI as I have read, but I have also read people not necessarily suggesting adex or anything. In regards to hormal health protection, and protection against sides what is the best course??

I know very little about the other drugs I have(except trenbolone, and it kind of scares me to be totally honest) so I am not going to consider them for this time around I don’t think! Please tell me how stupid I am, or what I need to change/add here! My doctor has been excellent about this whole thing, so the more of his advice I can take the better, but he also knows I will do what I will do regardless. Thanks alot guys.

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The tren e/test e/test c mix is one bottle of oil with all three in it?

Or do you have separate bottles of just test e?

Use the adex. At the very least have enough to run at least .5mg ED for 12 weeks. You will likely not need that much at all.

4 weeks of SERM therapy is standard. 100/100/50/50

HCG can be used during the cycle as well. Start it around week 2 or 3 if you decide to use it.

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The tren/test e/test c is all in one bottle, but I also have test e bottles. And I will grab some adex then asap here. Thanks.

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I am totally shocked that your doc is supportive. You must have found the only practical minded doc in the country…however his advice to ignore the adex is retarded. You will be much more comfortable on cycle using adex to keep E2 levels in the normal range, regardless of whether you end up with gyno symptoms or not. And as we all know, prevention is far better than reactionary dosing.

However, his advice for HCG is right on. Not necessary per se, but a good idea to make recovery easier after the cycle. HCG will do nothing for E2 levels, as it seems you are implying from your post above, but will make recovery easier.

I think you may like the Nolva PCT better, but do whatever you feel like since you have both. No practical experience on this of course, just running by a number of others that have said emotions go crazy on clomid. I personally wouldn’t want. I LIKE being even keeled :slight_smile:

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“However, his advice for HCG is right on. Not necessary per se, but a good idea to make recovery easier after the cycle. HCG will do nothing for E2 levels, as it seems you are implying from your post above, but will make recovery easier.”

Oh yes, I do understand that certainly, and didn’t mean to imply that. I did feel my doc was wrong about this situation, and this is why I asked! I will go have a little chat with him monday, and hopefully scrounge up some adex by the end of this week!

The girlfriend and I want to have one more chat about this all anyway(she’s being great about this, and taking some time here to do some research and learn herself exactly what I am putting into my body here), so I’m not in a huge hurry to get it, but I am hoping to start runnin the cycle first week of december. Yee-haw.

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last question I hope!! any reason not to use liquidex???

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[quote]Mike_Ray wrote:
last question I hope!! any reason not to use liquidex???[/quote]

If you’re talking about research lab anastrozole, then yes, there’s a reason not to use it. It’s usually underdosed.

If I were you, find a few articles supporting the fact that it’s a good idea to control estrogen on cycle, and bring them to your doctor your next visit. You’ll probably be able to get him to prescribe some for you, which would be best.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Mike_Ray wrote:
last question I hope!! any reason not to use liquidex???

If you’re talking about research lab anastrozole, then yes, there’s a reason not to use it. It’s usually underdosed.

If I were you, find a few articles supporting the fact that it’s a good idea to control estrogen on cycle, and bring them to your doctor your next visit. You’ll probably be able to get him to prescribe some for you, which would be best.[/quote]

Best to get your doc to help out. If you can’t persuade him, do it yourself but you’ll probably need a sizeable surplus because of the propensity to be underdosed.

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Use the ADex.

No need to dose the SERM (Clomid) twice a day. And I WOULD use the HCG, 250iu E3D.

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Its okay, I did manage to get some legit Adex here(for way cheaper than the liquidex would have been anyway…). Thanks for the help guys, I’ll definitely ask if I need anymore help, I’m not sure how interested in hearing about people’s cycles you guys all are, but I may post an update or two in this thread how its going for me.

Any last minutes tips that anybody has from personal experience that aren’t exactly commonly documented or anything??