I am wanting to start my first cycle and had some questions regarding it. I was considering either A) 500mgs/Testosterone Cypionate per week x 12weeks with the addition of 25mgs D-Bol per day x 4weeks. Or B)500mgs/Sustanon250 per week x 12weeks again with the same D-Bol addition mentioned above. Being new to this I was unsure which Test product to use. And any advice on PCT would be greatly appreciated.
I have been training and dieting seriously for about 5 years now. Im 6’3’’ at 230lbs with roughly 9%bf. I have been competitively powerlifting the last year and half. Some PR lifts are a 350 bench, 575 squat, and a 650 deadlift as of two weeks ago. I mainly drifted into powerlifting to get a strong base of strength and power to aid in bodybuilding. Now that I have that base I am wanting to focus on packing mass onto my frame. The main goal with this first cycle is going to be bulking. Diet is super clean. So any help would be awesome as well as some PCT help. I was unsure about how to lay that out.
Personally I like the cypionate for a first cycle but maybe others have other opinions. I think a single ester is a better choice to start out with. Also, if you do go with the sust, the Dbol really is not necessary as a jump start.
PCT. Check out the sticky at the top of the steroid forum. I like nolva: 40/40/20/20. Read it yourself though…very important you are informed and knowledgeable in this area.
Also as long as you are reading about your PCT, read up on AI such as Adex. Also very important!
…I would wait until you are completely sure on these things before you start.
I prefer a single ester like Cyp over a multi. I think for your first run that is better for you too. There are some pretty good sticky threads atop this forum. That will give you some ideas how to pursue PCT.
You mentioned competing in PL if so are you looking to be a solid 242 moving up from a 220? Im trying to ascertain if you are after sheer bulk or if you are looking to improve your strength to weight ratio?
Yeah I would like to be in the 242 class. I like the hybrid style of Stan Efferding and Matt Kroc; so thats the build I am aiming for. Now on the PCT, I have heard of guys running an AI during their cycle. Is that something to start with or just if some side effects emerge?
Its best to take the AI from the beginning. Although some people start using it when they start noticing side effects.
[quote]devore35 wrote:
Yeah I would like to be in the 242 class. I like the hybrid style of Stan Efferding and Matt Kroc; so thats the build I am aiming for. Now on the PCT, I have heard of guys running an AI during their cycle. Is that something to start with or just if some side effects emerge?[/quote]
Thats the classic question. The prudent thing is to have it in the mix even if at a very lose dose from the get go. You don’t want your estrogen too low of course
So I could run .5-1mg of Armidex during the 12 week cycle, then use the Nolvadex 40/40/20/20. Would I still need the AI with the Nolvadex?
[quote]devore35 wrote:
So I could run .5-1mg of Armidex during the 12 week cycle, then use the Nolvadex 40/40/20/20. Would I still need the AI with the Nolvadex?[/quote]
Yeah you just said it yourself. You use the AI during your cycle and the Nolva is your PCT
Alright thanks a lot for the insight.
Is there a way I could use both Clomid and Nolva in a PCT? I was recently informaed that is all that’s available to me at the time. Could I run the Nolva at low doeses (10-20MGS/day) during the cycle, and then the Clomid Therapy for a PCT?
Yeah you can run both during PCT its probably overkill and unnecessary though. Nolva on cycle is rather pointless once you are already running something like adex
Well I wouldnt be using the adex simply because I dont have access to it like it originally thought.
[quote]devore35 wrote:
Well I wouldnt be using the adex simply because I dont have access to it like it originally thought. [/quote]
If thats true, I would get some extra Nolva just in case needed. You can at least run that at a low dose on cycle and its much better than nothing
Thats what I was thinking. Its not exactly what I am wanting, but it is better than nothing.
Oh I see. Yeah if you absolutely cannot get adex or anything else you would be wise to have extra nolva, its less than ideal but still probably your best option at this point
Do you think being my first cycle that the nolva should be good enough prevent any gyno or said side effects during the cycle.
No way of answering that. Seriously, some guys get gyno with 300-400mg of test others can run over a gram and get nothing. And semantically speaking nolva wont prevent gyno
Yeah I just need to see how my body reacts. I plan on starting this cycle the last full week in August and have been researching for some time, but its very hard to separate facts from fiction regarding this topic.
I’d recommend running hCG if you’re embarking on a 12 week cycle.
Also, you really should look a little more into sources of arimidex before starting. Human grade or research chemical grade shouldn’t be particularly hard to come across.