Well I mainly gave the stats because they were requested.
I am mainly looking to add strength + size. But mainly size as I am a bit disproportionate in terms of strength to size . I do a hybrid sort of Powerlifting + Olympic Weightlifting routine 5 times a week. I was looking to add either deca or dbol but was told test only would do it.
However I have been thinking of doing strictly hypertrophy training to see where that gets me. I will probably either way jump on them later on as I do have big ambitions for strength sports.
I suppose I couldnāt disagree more. Iāve been lifting weights for 54 years, and been asked numerous times about AASās. I make a personal assessment of the person who asks to determine if I believe a cycle is worth the risk.
If I have seen dedication, and, at least moderate progress, I will help guide the person to a cycle that would be a good place to see what benefits might be gained.
If I have seen a person who has been lifting, but made very little progress, I will not offer any AAS advise to him. I tell him he needs to build a solid foundation naturally.
If I donāt see, what is in my opinion, potential to put on serious muscle and strength, I donāt care what his goals are. We can talk goals if I believe there is potential to achieve many of those goals. That might sound harsh to many people, and quite possibly very conceited, but they are asking for my opinion.
In your OP, you said you hit a plateau over the last 6 months. Can you explain what you mean by this?
Have you been running an actual program (written by someone other than yourself)?
Have your main lifts not improved at all?
Are you tracking your lifts?
Not trying to dogpile; just saying that the best method to do AAS is to not do them at all. The 2nd best method is to get about 10 years natty under your belt, with solid nutrition and experience in different programming methods (like 5/3/1 or Super Squats or Deep Water) so you actually understand how your body responds to different nutrition and stimuli. You did the smart thing by asking here of all places; other forums would just tell you to pin whatever and post pics - so I applaud you for that decision.
Yes but is it ever? I try to walk a fine line here as this is a pharma forum. If I shit on everybody int he pharma forum who wants to partake in this stuff, what does that make me? LOL
Perhaps it was badly worded. I had been progressing in my physique but even though I was progressing it was a fair bit behind my strength imo. Now my physique has been relatively the same but my lifts have felt easier. Hope that clear it out.
I have been running Brian Alsruhe 4horsemen and conjugate method style training with twice a week Olympic Weightlifting in the afternoon. I think I was acting a bit out of impulse considering steroids without actually first doing strict hypertrophy for 6 months or so.
I will definitely hop on them in the future but for now I will stay natty .
Iām in the same boat with you, and I believe this is the smart choice (of course I do).
My $0.02: It would probably be worth your time to stick around these parts to learn what people recommend for regimen and everything.
Yeah, i know my opinion isnāt the popular one here, and it very well may be wrong. In my experience I lift and started AAS for looks and how it felt, I never cared about my strength or big 3 (although they did go up). I did oly lifting cos I thought it looked cool, never cared what my stats were. it just didnāt matter to me. No one ever cared how much I can bench. No girl has ever asked me. Even now that Iām older I care even less about my big lifts and work just to stay healthy and maintain some decent size so I look better than other 42 year olds. But of course my big cycle days are over too (pretty sure).
This guy is on this forum getting a lot of good advice from ppl, so I think heās going in the right direction if he chooses AAS or not.
This is likely genetics. Iāve seen guys that hardly look like they lift, move serious weight. Unfortunately, steroids arenāt very good at correcting this. You will likely get bigger with similar proportions as you currently have. Some guys can be really strong without being big, some guys get both.
Think of Johny Candito. He is pretty strong, but doesnāt really look like he lifts a lot. Steroids wouldnāt make him look like Larry Wheels. He would just be a thicker Candito.
I am against cycling, i am pro bnc as i believe that cycling leaves one with no benefits and all the possible harm done in the long run.
i like to discuss blasts with people who will be on trt afterā¦ i feel weird telling someone what to do when they just want to rent some muscle for a month.
Agreed 100%. I do feel PCT results in mostly loss of any new growth. You put yourself in a super hormone session followed by a defecit for almost an equal period. How does it even make sense logically. It doesnāt. Also, I find TRUE TRT still doesnāt hold the gains all that well. Y ou basically have to BnC where as your cruising dose is something like 250mg/wk which is higher than TRT for most. For example my TRT is 160mg/wk which keeps me on the higher end. I havnāt cycle in a while, not sure I plan to again, but I definitely look a lot smaller than in the past when I was cycling. IEā¦ TRT still didnāt hold most of my growth.
There was a research paper on naturals where every 100 ng/dL of test measured corresponded to about 1 lb of lean tissue (on average of course with a large sample size). So if going from 160 mg/wk to 250 mg/wk allowed you to go up 500 ng/dL, it is reasonable to me, that you could hold more.
I can speak to no one but myself. I never ran AASās any way other than cycling on and off. I started AASās when I weighed 180lbs at about 21 years old and worked up to 240lbs 9 years later at about the same percent body fat.
@RT_Nomad I believe you have far above average genetics from following you other thread and seeing your photos. Its a wonderful thread by the way and your successes are remarkable. Also, Iām not saying genetics carried you in anyway, the hard work is evident. All Iām saying is I donāt think the average dude could do what you did with the same results. Take it or leave it, just one guys opinion. Your physique is remarkable and you should be proud.
Thanks. But I am just saying that cycling has worked in the past. Most everyone I knew cycled on and off AASās. Of course, you donāt know for sure that all actually cycled. AAS gains are highly addictive, and no one likes watching some of those gains degrading while off cycle.
Cycling is a thing of the past. It did work. It does work. Kinda. But for people without bodybuilding genetics its exactly what @blshaw said before - you get muscle, you lose muscle. Without a cruise its a matter of time when you are back on square one. For most people that time is much sooner than they think.
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