This will be my first real AAS cycle, done a couple PH cycles and thought the gains were crap lean mass wise…
Test-e: 12 weeks (500mg per wk, 2 pins per wk)
Nadrolone Decanate: 10 or 11 weeks (150-200mg per week 1 pin with the test-e)
Im not using the deca to get the added mass/strength, but for therapeutical reasons; cushion, soothe and heal my joints.
A-dex: 12 wks .25mg EOD (weeks 13 and 14 .125mg EOD)
Support supps:
Fish Oil
Hathorne Berry
CoQ10
Multi Vit
Saw Pallmeto
PCT:
Start PCT about 12 days after last inject
Nolva: 40/20/20/10/10
Clomid:100 first day then 75/50/50/25
Testopro starting week 3 of PCT
Any opinions?
What’s your age, height/weight, how long have you been lifting? What did PHs did you use?
All of that is in profile:
5’9"
178lbs
8 Percent BF
3+ Years of training
Be 23 when I start
Bump, gah this place is not alive…
No mention of cabergoline for the prolactin from the deca, deca will make it much harder to recover from the cycle.
If I were you I’d do a shot of sust or omnadron eod for 10 weeks, using .5mg adex eod then the clomid 10 days after last shot 100mg per day for 7 days then 50mg day for 20 days. This eliminates any deca related complications, 750-1000mg test hits a sweet spot for many people and brings great gains if your diet is right and seems to be in the ball park of more than not enough but not too much.
My friend who has used plenty of all steroids said he bumped his dose up to 2000mg per week test whilst monitoring his blood work and said the only difference he could measure in terms of gains and health was that over 750 -1000mg per week test (like 1500mg, not 1001mg lol) the only difference was an increase in blood pressure and problems related to blood work, at least for him anyway, theres definitely a saturation point with aas and your body can only make use of so much, this friend of mine believed (backed up by blood work along with empirical thinking) for him it was approx 750-100mg per week.
[quote]samgold wrote:
No mention of cabergoline for the prolactin from the deca, deca will make it much harder to recover from the cycle.
If I were you I’d do a shot of sust or omnadron eod for 10 weeks, using .5mg adex eod then the clomid 10 days after last shot 100mg per day for 7 days then 50mg day for 20 days. This eliminates any deca related complications, 750-1000mg test hits a sweet spot for many people and brings great gains if your diet is right and seems to be in the ball park of more than not enough but not too much.
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Are you saying that sustanon would alleviate “deca related complications” but test E wouldn’t? Explain your reasoning. I see that you mentioned cabergoline a few lines prior but still. What will sustanon accomplish that test E wouldn’t?
And about the caber use. Yes it’s wise to have it around when using deca but at such a low dose the chances of needing it are very low.
Are you speaking from experience with all of this advice or just repeating things that can be applied. There are no cookie cutter answers for this stuff.
Exactly what I was thinkin, this is primarily a test-e cycle and will get the job done at 500mg per wk… The deca is just for the joints and at that low of dosage I doubt I will see and prolactin sides, hence why I didnt include cabergoline… And deca esters clear in 3 weeks after last inject, test-e at 10.5 days, hence why im running the deca a week less than the test-e…
[quote]gamer2be08 wrote:
Exactly what I was thinkin, this is primarily a test-e cycle and will get the job done at 500mg per wk… The deca is just for the joints and at that low of dosage I doubt I will see and prolactin sides, hence why I didnt include cabergoline… And deca esters clear in 3 weeks after last inject, test-e at 10.5 days, hence why im running the deca a week less than the test-e…[/quote]
Do yourself a favor and at least have a place to get some caber pills just in case you do need some and decide not to buy any before the cycle. Many online pharmacies carry it.
And another thing with deca and joint health is that your joints will feel great while using the deca but will go right back to ‘normal’ when you finish. So if you gain strength on the cycle and keep some-a lot of it your joints will not have the support after the cycle. Just something to consider.
Well I don’t have a major problem, just minor pains; probably from a muscular imbalance more than anything… Deca has also been known to replenish collagen; which means it actually is healing the joint per say as well as lubricating and cushioning it. I have plenty of sources to get some caber just in case… Prolcatin gyno is pretty ez to rid of IMO…
Im giddy with excitement for this cycle.
Gonna probably lift 4 days a week
Chest
Rest
Legs
Back
Triceps and shoulders
Rest
Rest
Order may change depending on the week and muscle confusion.
Inject 250mg test-e and 150-200mg deca on sunday and 250mg of test-e on wednesday.
[quote]gamer2be08 wrote:
Im giddy with excitement for this cycle.
Gonna probably lift 4 days a week
Chest
Rest
Legs
Back
Triceps and shoulders
Rest
Rest
Order may change depending on the week and muscle confusion.
Inject 250mg test-e and 150-200mg deca on sunday and 250mg of test-e on wednesday.
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Why not shoot 250mg test and 100mg deca on sunday and wednesday? If you’re already going to pin twice per week, there’s no reason to shoot deca only once.
Good point, gotta keep the blood levels stable…