Hi, as the title says I’m looking to run my first cycle. I’m entering a paid league for my sport, the testing procedure is that you are tested within the first 4 weeks of pre-season to determine your ‘natural levels’ - these can be as high as you want, but you just can’t go OVER these in the future.
I know it’s fucked up, but that’s what it is, and basically creates an environment where if you don’t use your at a disadvantage. The one outlier is orals are flagged on tests immediately.
Some stats for myself:
30 years old, 87kg, 181cm
Squat: 180kg, deadlift: 220kg
Goals: bigger, faster, stronger. I need to be as athletic as possible and also recover quickly. And obviously I want to look good on the field.
I know first cycles should be test only, but my private Strength coach (D1 college level) has suggested running 250mg Test C, 300mg Primo for 16 weeks.
I’m hoping to get as many peoples opinions as possible. I know there isn’t one definitive answer, but I’ve just been getting lots of conflicting suggestions e.g: not enough Test, too much primo, swap primo for NPP.
This makes no sense. Clearly using what you’re suggesting is going to show unnatural levels.
If what you say is true, Test only should suffice. It’s also recommended for first users. Primo doesn’t shine much in small dosages, is hard on the hairline, and lipids. It’s also expensive.
That’s what I’m trying to say, the first test is to see what your levels are. Then in the future if you go over that, they deem it as using. Effectively you could blast 800mg to start and then if you are tested with 600mg it’s ok, 900mg it’s not.
I know it’s absolutely fucked but that’s the sporting world right now.
Would you recommend running test any higher if it’s a stand alone? Or add in the NPP?
When you say athletic / performance, I think Test or Test / EQ if you want to stick with injectables. I would search first cycles for suggestions on dosages. It’s just my personal policy not to dispense advice other than general commentary. Test only cycles typically are run higher than you’re suggesting even for the first time. You would be on the very low end with what you suggested.
So if your testosterone levels were 6000 ng/dL, they would consider these as your personal normal levels? Despite all medical books stating that true normal levels are 10x below that?
If that’s the case and you know that you’ll be tested within these predetermined 4 weeks, I’d just blast a gram of test per week during these 4 weeks and have the flexibility to run any future cycle with as much AAS as you want. Why set a limit with ‘only’ 250mg of test C.
Question: what sport are you talking about that has such a fucked up testing system, if it’s not a secret? Whoever designed this testing protocol is either an idiot, or they did it for the purpose of being seemingly legitimate while actually avoiding all realistic medical and ethical guidelines.
I know of athletes that have done exactly that. They probably do have an upper limit which they flag up but the bottom line is the league wants more entertainment which generates more revenue
So when you show up with a total testosterone level of 3000 they’re just gonna look and say OK that’s you just never go over it again? That seems crazy.
You would be surprised at how many leagues / different sports have this or a very similar testing protocol.
Maybe I should rephrase my question and just ask for first cycle advice for someone looking for athletic performance rather than pure visual. Would 16 weeks at 400mg Test C be appropriate?
Honestly SARMS would prob be a better option for sports if you can’t take orals. Not sure how you feel about them. Osteriane and carderine are awesome for endurance and recovery. I’ve used them when i raced bikes and ran ultras.
But if not into that I would prob run more like 200-300mg/wk test for performance. If you run more and hold water your not gonna perform very well. Stacking low primo or EQ with it would also be good but since it’s your first time using peds i would stick to test only.
Did you mention what sport you are playing?
Hi, thanks for the reply. I actually tried Cardarine before and felt no benefit (sorry I didn’t state this in the first post.)
What you suggested is actually similar to what my coach suggested: 250 Test C, 300 Primo. However I have looked around it seems a 1:1 ratio is much more preferred for T:P.
My sport is football, I’m going into a paid league. It will likely be my last 2 seasons playing, which is why I was looking at stacking something else along side the test base.
This post is hilarious! I also (as others have echoed this) find it extremely impossible to believe if your first blood test shows your test levels are 6,000ng/dL, that they would simply go “ok…well, I guess this guy just has great natural levels of testosterone” and record it/write it down. Then you can run whatever the fuck you want afterwards so long as you’re never higher than 6,000 again? Even if coaches and the team’s management notice you putting on 20+ pounds of muscle and acting like that guy Lattimer from the movie “The program” (if you don’t know this movie, find it, watch it NOW), bashing in windows and shit.
I don’t even know any actual advice other than, if you’re going to be playing football, just take a ton of test AND TRENBOLONE! I mean, you wanna talk about playing aggressively? That will do it, lol. You will DEFINITELY make starting defense taking a couple hundred mgs of Tren A a week! Good luck and don’t destroy your organs!