For quads/back thickness, the first set is heavy 6-8 straight set. Then you rest and go HEAVIER for a 4-6 straight set.
And as World alluded too, it might really lean you up, who knows why…hormonal response to extremely intense lifting? Who knows…but I’ve seen alot of it happen on his board.
You should check out IM if you haven’t already.
World are you over there?
Quads, back thickness, forearms and calves are the ones not RPed.
I assume you how to do the calves with 15second stretch at the bottom each rep.
Sorry, not trying to overstep you World, just trying to help clear things up.
I am over there, however the damned mods are giving me a hell of time. For some reason, my password and login aren’t working and apparently they have real issues resolving the problem.
I do appreciate you chiming in. I’m very surprised Scott M hasn’t too, I believe he has been a long time DCer a well.
World
He is a DCer, who knows more Dante wisdom since he’s been on the net thean anyone I know.
I don’t do DC yet, still biding my time before I undertake it.
I have extensively researched it, created an archive of info on it, and I use the extreme stretches and the rest pause techniques in my own training.
I just don’t ACTUALLY DC.
I know Scott just browses the board a little anymore, lately, since the bunker and teh t-cell he’s coming back, but he was kinda put off for a while so I dunno if he’s even seen this thread.
Is your username the same over there? Mine is, I love that board, so much great info and its a goldmine of EXPERIENCE. (Capitalized because its the mother of all knowledge IMO.)
Hey guys thanks for the info, and yeah GS with the occasional mess up I don’y RP on anything like squats, Deads, etc…
World ok on the cortisol, and I agree on the leaning up part. I have noticed a few lost inches that I hope are just water, as my weight is staying the same. Like bi’s are back dowb to 16" almost dead even, whereas mid cycle they were at 16.25"+ Sounds like water, but I am noticing some leaning.
Back on the bitch tomorrow!
This is Listers friend. World, besides the fact that you are recommending “tapering” after a cycle, which pretty much sums up your lack of knowledge pertaining to correctly cycling AAS, you either are shutting down your HPTA or not; all or none.
Tapering is idiotic, period. HMMMM, let me think here, I am going to come off AAS, when I am more suseptible to catabolic hormones, as I am trying to restore my HPTA, I am going to try and drown my body in cortisol training DC style. Dog Crap more like dog shit…Jesus christ, everyone is a fucking professional it seems. Take a chemistry class noob. Anyways, good luck Randy.
[quote]listerfan wrote:
This is Listers friend. World, besides the fact that you are recommending “tapering” after a cycle, which pretty much sums up your lack of knowledge pertaining to correctly cycling AAS, you either are shutting down your HPTA or not; all or none.
Tapering is idiotic, period. HMMMM, let me think here, I am going to come off AAS, when I am more suseptible to catabolic hormones, as I am trying to restore my HPTA, I am going to try and drown my body in cortisol training DC style. Dog Crap more like dog shit…Jesus christ, everyone is a fucking professional it seems. Take a chemistry class noob. Anyways, good luck Randy.[/quote]
Hahahahahahaha.
This is a joke, right?
World
It all depends on how your body reacts; if your metabolism is fast slow or normal. If you really want to get into shape, I mean ripped then I would definitly switch your diet around a lot.
World and Matt, I knew there was a debate here in the making…
I consider myself a newb here and in AAS in general, well slightly above newb. But, still is there any danger to what I am doing? Is DC better for in between cycles? Are 5X5’s better during taper (Stasis)…?
I am in week 4 of said “Taper” and haven’t started Nolva yet as I feel and look fine.
The only thing I’ve noticed lately is an onslaught of acne. Nothing crazy but shoulders and face are spotting up. Is this a hormonal change causing this?
I even started washing my face 4 times a day to combat it, but I wake every morning with a new friend looking at me in the mirror.
So while the verdict is out on Taper, etc…
I know Matt is just looking out for my best interest and health. And from what I have read there is no science behind the taper theory, just that it has made bouncing back easier on most who have used it. Why? Well that’d be for someone with more knowledge than me to answer.
World have you done DC during taper before?
I know the program is solid, but I’ve never asked if anyone of your trainees has ever done it during taper.
I don’t think either of you two would steer me wrong, just matter of opinions I guess.
Ding Ding…
[quote]joeblow wrote:
It all depends on how your body reacts; if your metabolism is fast slow or normal. If you really want to get into shape, I mean ripped then I would definitely switch your diet around a lot.[/quote]
Diet will def be changing once I am 100% off…
And I will be going for the gusto with 11-12% BF.
I’ve got clen so I am not too terribly worried about crash dieting.
I am very concerned with keeping my gains, and am at that point where you start to see what you’re really left with, and cutting my diet too short now would be catastrophic to the gains.
Diet is and always has been in check with whatever it is I am trying to accomplish.
I personally gave always switched to DC or stayed with it during my recovery. The fact I can hit my whole body twice a week in only 4 training sessions is perfect.
DC is like the taper. Try it and you’ll believe.
As for the alleged onslaught of cortisol and alleged horrible effects it can have on your body, well I have never experienced anything like that. And neither have my trainees. So tell Mr. Ribs (listerfan) up there I hope his fucking girlfriend breaks her dildo off in him tonight. He can play his games and I’ll play mine. It just so happens that both DC and the stasis taper work beautifully.
Who the fuck is Matt?
World
[quote]World1187 wrote:
I personally gave always switched to DC or stayed with it during my recovery. The fact I can hit my whole body twice a week in only 4 training sessions is perfect.
DC is like the taper. Try it and you’ll believe.
As for the alleged onslaught of cortisol and alleged horrible effects it can have on your body, well I have never experienced anything like that. And neither have my trainees. So tell Mr. Ribs (listerfan) up there I hope his fucking girlfriend breaks her dildo off in him tonight. He can play his games and I’ll play mine. It just so happens that both DC and the stasis taper work beautifully.
Who the fuck is Matt?
World[/quote]
OK, let me sort this out…a buddy of mine used my account to respond to that, that would be the Matt in question. Now, that guy you’re talking shit about is me, bitch. Now I know you think you’re some combat warrior or whatever. But I would love to see if you’d have the balls to talk that shit to my face.
What the fuck.
Stop this guy.
Rand-there are plenty of very developed and advanced guys using DC year 'round, and yes many of them are enhanced.
Once again…
This has to be some type of joke.
World
Whoa dudes…
I go to the gym, and come back and Don King has visited.
Listerfan is a very good friend of mine, and he did NOT post the comment about not using DC/Taper, that was his friend Matt who is also a friend of mine.
Listerfan is good people, and Matt is too, he was just voicing his opinion on the cortisol/Taper/DC method.
Now, let’s get back on track here…
I enjoy the DC training, but again as I mentioned I am seeing some measurements drop, especially arms…
Now my diet may be partially to blame as I have backed off on nearly everything except protein. Cals/Carbs/Fat/ are all down.
The only other thing I can think is that my water content is dropping too. Since being off the Dbol, and no more Gaspari Size On either. (I didn’t feel it was doing anything other than tasting like asshole). Maybe the water has just really cut. But my workout partner is still on creatine and is noticing smaller arms as well as a leaner chest. (He is not on) So who knows??
I am riding out the program and some little add ons Abs, and the occasional heavy dips in place of Skull Crushers, and I also had to bring in shrugs instead of upright rows as they wreaked havoc on my shoudler last time.
So I will get to some closure here in the next week or two. With some Before and after pics, although in my opinion my best after pics have all ready been posted 
I’ll post the new afters and then start a new thread for cutting with the Clen cycle.
Forgot to weigh in tody but I am guessing still 232ish.
Peace, and can’t we all get along?
How many more cycles do I have to do to get the chick in the beanie to the right there?
Good God she’s hawt!
Instead of using shrugs in place of the upright rows, use something for your delts, not traps.
I would advise using the skull crushers instead of dips, especially since you said you seem to have bad shoulders. Not to mention the fact you can’t safely rest pause dips, nor safely use a static hold on them. Just a thought.
And as far as that idiot voicing his opinion, well I’ll put it this way… every American has in the right to make an imbecile out of themselves under the First Amendment. And I’d like him to find some science to back his bullshit up, and that’s all it is, is bullshit.
I, on the other hand, actually have evidence that these protocols work. Both my own physique and the physiques of my of trainees that are “enhanced.” It works. Period. You don’t have to believe it or try it, but the fact of the matter simply remains that this protocol works.
World
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Instead of using shrugs in place of the upright rows, use something for your delts, not traps.
What would be a good choice? Perhaps Plate raises, Front Laterals, Side Laterals, Behind The Neck Press??
I would advise using the skull crushers instead of dips, especially since you said you seem to have bad shoulders. Not to mention the fact you can’t safely rest pause dips, nor safely use a static hold on them. Just a thought.
ha, to me it seems the name itself would imply they aren’t real safe for rest pause (Skull Crusher)… Kidding aside, do you feel Skull Crushers are more beneficial to the tri’s then Dips? I only ask because Dips don’t hurt my shoulder, and it’s not a bad shoulder… Just banged up the rotator cuff on that first go round of upright rows. Giving it a nice popping sound when I Military Press now. Doesn’t hurt but I am sure the popping isn’t a good thing either.
Thanks! Oh and I can see a few abs today… So it’s definitely leaning me up. And I know Diet is dialed in for cutting fat, maintaining muscle now too.
I really don’t mind eating steak, salad, squash and more steak for dinner. Next thing to nix is sodium… I think I soaked the steak in Soy Sauce last night.
Idiot? Science to back it up? Provide some scientific evidence in regards to tapering. Your “evidence” is anecdotal at best. Scientific backing, however, with androgen administration and hpta shutdown has. Your hpta is either shutdown or not.
If I am fucking idiot, then I guess William
Llewellyn, Bill Roberts, Anthony Roberts, and a slew of other professionals are as well. You should read up of them, they have written a couple of things…jerk off. A standard chemistry course and basic anatomy and physiology course can help steer your simple mind in the right direction. Take care.
And on the DC training. It has its merits for about six workouts to potentially tear a muscle or rupture a tendon but other than that, it is just a standard ripoff on Mike Mentzer, Author Jones, etc. Also, if you were going to perform this style of intense training, why do it when you are hormonally the weakest?
Matt
Matt those are some great points especially about the intense training on such a weak hormonal slide…
And since I started DC I have had my first ever weightlifting injury… The shoulder on the heavy upright rows, which you and I talked about.
On the other hand, something is leaning me out, and sucking water from my body. Again it could be diet, but I think those sets of 20 squats gotta hold some merit, but they in of themselves are not really DC… No rest pause.
Thoughts???