Fired over creatine

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Yes. It has nothing to do with what was given, it has to do with that coaches shouldn’t be giving anything to kids. I don’t want teachers offering drugs to enhance academic focus, I don’t want school bus drivers offering kids stuff to make them sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, I don’t want cafeteria ladies offering probiotics to aid student digestion.

It’s inappropriate. Period.[/quote]

I used to enjoy picturing you tapping your foot simply outraged when you’d type stuff like this…now knowing you are too busy banging 24/7 to get anything else done I have to picture you taking a break for a quick run to the kitchen when I read your posts…both images make it move, but it’s just not the same.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Well it is an open forum, I didn’t know you need certain qualifications to offer an opinion[/quote]
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Waht? I’ve held off on commenting tons of times when I didn’t know wtf you lot were talking about.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Skimmed this a bit, but I work with high school kids. When you’re dealing with minors here, there’s a very fine line between giving out normal in the real world and perfectly legal advice or suggestions, and saying something that can potentially bite you in the ass at a later date.

Believe me, the amount of questions I get about PEDs, and even basic OTC stuff like protein powders and the sort is more than many would suspect. To be honest, as much as I try to help kids that genuinely want some help, I have to be very careful with what I say to them.

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This came up even back when I wrestled. We were asking the coach about what we could take to do better because my brothers used some supps like aminos among other things (mid '80’s stuff), as did a lot of other kids older brothers. The coach was real clear about what he said- He doesn’t recommend anything.

Steroid use, mainly d-bol was very prevalent at that point in that district, and there had been a lot of flack about drug use by the football team at the local public level.

He had to stay far away from any appearance of impropriety.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Soooooo…no more water, Gatorade or salt tablets at football practice, huh?[/quote]

From an interview I did a while back.

Testosterone: All right, now let’s talk a bit about performance-enhancing substances, including but not limited to anabolic steroids. Would you say that the controversy surrounding them is primarily a legal issue, a moral issue, or a health issue?

Chris Lockwood: I’m gonna have to go with “none of the above” here. Come on, man, this is a political issue. Politicians are simply playing the tune that the ignorant masses, which is to say their constituents, want to hear.

Oh, hey, you’ll like this. Want to hear something ironic? There’s a big push right now for preventative birth control pills for men. You know the method being proposed and studied? Testosterone. Just as females take supraphysiological doses of estrogen as birth control, the same mechanism works in men, with Testosterone. What will all the anti-steroid legislators and “for the children” commentators say when little Johnny’s dad is taking him down to the doctor for his prescription of birth control pills?

This classic shortsightedness and utter waste of taxpayer dollars â?? especially when everyone’s claiming we’re entering a recession â?? is almost criminal.

It isn’t that I support illegal-steroid use. I’m a real square when it comes to abiding by the law. However, I find it utterly absurd that artificially increasing Testosterone to build bigger muscles on men is unacceptable while artificially increasing estrogen to grow fake boobs on women is not only acceptable, but totally out of control.

Infant formulas and kids’ foods are riddled with phytoestrogens, environmental xenoestrogens are everywhere, and nobody notices. But God forbid we increase a male hormone.

Testosterone: Right. Everyone’s so concerned with the imagined threat of “Testosterone poisoning” that they ignore the very real dangers of estrogen poisoning. Dr. Z, what do you think? Legal, moral, health, or other?

Tim Ziegenfuss: Well, it’s obviously a legal issue now. If you get caught with a vial of test, or even a bottle of andro that is listed on the new Anabolic Steroids Control Act, you’re an instant felon. And yes, it’s also a moral issue. Some folks think using performance-enhancing substances (PES) is “cheating.”

I say if you can use PES within the confines of the rules, then do it.

As for it being a health issue, well, maybe and maybe not. Listen, as I’ve said many times before, the majority of PES carry less health risk than participating in many contact sports or regularly eating at fast food joints. I used to drive sport bikes and pull the front end up doing 70 MPH on the freeway. It was really stupid and I’m lucky to tell the story, but would I have been safer not riding and using PES? Probably.

Testosterone: So where does one draw the line between a “sports supplement” and a “performance-enhancing substance?” Or is there a line?

Chris Lockwood: A supplement may have some effect, or no effect, on supporting the body, whereas an ergogenic aid directly or indirectly improves some measure of physical performance. Of course, by that definition, carbohydrates, protein, fat, and even water are all ergogenic. Thus, this debate about banning “performance-enhancing substances” is somewhat dubious if the only things on that list are hormonal in nature.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Yes. It has nothing to do with what was given, it has to do with that coaches shouldn’t be giving anything to kids. I don’t want teachers offering drugs to enhance academic focus, I don’t want school bus drivers offering kids stuff to make them sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, I don’t want cafeteria ladies offering probiotics to aid student digestion.

It’s inappropriate. Period.[/quote]

I used to enjoy picturing you tapping your foot simply outraged when you’d type stuff like this…now knowing you are too busy banging 24/7 to get anything else done I have to picture you taking a break for a quick run to the kitchen when I read your posts…both images make it move, but it’s just not the same.[/quote]

He’s gone for a week! So I’m here enjoying my second-favorite pastime; lecturing all of you. :slight_smile:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
School officials are right on this.

Creatine is no big deal, but coaches shouldn’t have anything to do with what supps athletes are taking. There are some dumbass coaches out there who might try some dumb shit if this isnt nipped in the bud, giving students creatine today might lead to pro-hormones tomorrow.[/quote]

Yes. It has nothing to do with what was given, it has to do with that coaches shouldn’t be giving anything to kids. I don’t want teachers offering drugs to enhance academic focus, I don’t want school bus drivers offering kids stuff to make them sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, I don’t want cafeteria ladies offering probiotics to aid student digestion.

It’s inappropriate. Period.[/quote]

Soooooo…no more water, Gatorade or salt tablets at football practice, huh?[/quote]

You know these are not equivalencies. Giving a bandaid to a child with a bloody knee is not the same as offering him a daily aspirin to thin his blood. I’m not making judgments of the substance, merely stating that school staff should not be prescribing anything. If parents want to do it, fine.

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
This is ridiculous. I find it amazing at how many people think OTC supps are steroids. I started taking creatine during high school football season to help my lifting numbers a bit. Many people I played sports with thought creatine was a legitimate steroid due to complete ignorance. I had to tell them it was protein powder so they wouldn’t flip out. [/quote]
Maybe it’s because some are?
Most of the gen pop is clueless though.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

Steroid use, mainly d-bol was very prevalent at that point in that district, and there had been a lot of flack about drug use by the football team at the local public level.

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No kidding?

Never knew.[/quote]

Heck yeah. Poofy pants, mullets, and d-bol were almost as popular as girls with big hair and leg warmers.

There was a certain gym a few miles down from the airport that was great for it.

[quote]doogie wrote:

Alhambra High School Coaches Fired After Players Given Performance Enhancers

Alhambra High School officials have dismissed the institution’s football coaching staff after it emerged players had been given nutritional supplement Creatine to enhance their performance on the field.[/quote]

DAMN! these ppl! Seriously?! Watch out boys next theyll ban vitamin C. Its these articles in the news that continue to vilify creatine eh?