Fired over creatine

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itâ??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.

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Why dont they have a nutritionist?

All professional sports teams have these folks on the staff to enhance the abilities of their athletes within the legal boundary of the sport. NFL teams use creatine dont they?

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itâ??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]
If this is true then 3 out of the now 13 Big Ten football programs are breaking the rules. Went on gameday visits and they have rooms of just tubs of supps.

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[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itÃ?¢??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]
If this is true then 3 out of the now 13 Big Ten football programs are breaking the rules. Went on gameday visits and they have rooms of just tubs of supps.[/quote]

Exactly. I’ve been in several D1 training facilities and there was all kinds of shit available. One of the schools had a counter with cabinets where the sups were arranged by what they do (energy, weight gain, etc…). Have also seen a school that has pre-mixed recovery drinks in a soda-fountain dispenser and when you’re done with your workout you just walk over, pull the nozzle and get your pwo shake.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itÃ??Ã?¢??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]
If this is true then 3 out of the now 13 Big Ten football programs are breaking the rules. Went on gameday visits and they have rooms of just tubs of supps.[/quote]

Exactly. I’ve been in several D1 training facilities and there was all kinds of shit available. One of the schools had a counter with cabinets where the sups were arranged by what they do (energy, weight gain, etc…). Have also seen a school that has pre-mixed recovery drinks in a soda-fountain dispenser and when you’re done with your workout you just walk over, pull the nozzle and get your pwo shake.
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Is it possible that private individuals were paying for those supps though? As long as it isn’t on the banned list, AFAIK, it’s fine as long as the school isn’t directly funding it. I may be wrong on that though.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]
If this is true then 3 out of the now 13 Big Ten football programs are breaking the rules. Went on gameday visits and they have rooms of just tubs of supps.[/quote]

Exactly. I’ve been in several D1 training facilities and there was all kinds of shit available. One of the schools had a counter with cabinets where the sups were arranged by what they do (energy, weight gain, etc…). Have also seen a school that has pre-mixed recovery drinks in a soda-fountain dispenser and when you’re done with your workout you just walk over, pull the nozzle and get your pwo shake.
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Is it possible that private individuals were paying for those supps though? As long as it isn’t on the banned list, AFAIK, it’s fine as long as the school isn’t directly funding it. I may be wrong on that though. [/quote]

Honestly don’t know. Suppose it could be boosters, but not sure what the rules say about their involvement in regards to nutritional sups. Always just assumed the schools were providing 'em. I’m pretty sure there are schools that have deals with certain sup companies as well, though I could be wrong.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itâ??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]

When I walked on to Utah State in 99’ there was a whole room with protein and creatine and everything under the sun…and that is at a small D1 school.

Also if you watch the documentary about Alabama last year on ESPN they have huge coolers of Muscle Milk everywhere in their football facilities.

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[quote]critietaeta wrote:
I am having a heart attack reading the comments on that article’s page… I couldn’t get through more than a few.[/quote]

michealanglo looks coked out of his mind

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itÃ?¢??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]

When I walked on to Utah State in 99’ there was a whole room with protein and creatine and everything under the sun…and that is at a small D1 school.

Also if you watch the documentary about Alabama last year on ESPN they have huge coolers of Muscle Milk everywhere in their football facilities.[/quote]

Didn’t know I could mention 'em by name, but I’ve seen “cytosport” banners in some facilities.

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All of you that aren’t in the public school system or aren’t coaches really shouldn’t be commenting. Should teens be taking creatine? That’s up to the teen and their parents (your personal opinion on creatine really doesn’t play into it here).

Should coaches be providing anything to teen athletes besides food and water? absolutely not. No ifs and or buts. With a parent’s permission you can give certain medications, most definitely not supplements (No matter the supplement). As a coach that works with athletes 18 and younger, I get a parent’s permission just to give an Advil/ibuprofen and in the sport that I coach we go through a lot of Advil.

The coach was in the wrong here, plain and simple.

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[quote]Typhoon wrote:
All of you that aren’t in the public school system or aren’t coaches really shouldn’t be commenting. Should teens be taking creatine? That’s up to the teen and their parents (your personal opinion on creatine really doesn’t play into it here).

Should coaches be providing anything to teen athletes besides food and water? absolutely not. No ifs and or buts. With a parent’s permission you can give certain medications, most definitely not supplements (No matter the supplement). As a coach that works with athletes 18 and younger, I get a parent’s permission just to give an Advil/ibuprofen and in the sport that I coach we go through a lot of Advil.

The coach was in the wrong here, plain and simple. [/quote]
Well it is an open forum, I didn’t know you need certain qualifications to offer an opinion

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
This is obviously completely fucking retarded, but high school rules are probably the same as NCAA rules. That is, they can’t provide any type of nutritional supplements to athletes because the governing bodies don’t want anyone pointing fingers at them if someone suffers adverse effects (even if they aren’t legitimately attributable to the supplements in question).[/quote]

D1 colleges can and do provide all kinds of sups. They just have to be approved by the NCAA.[/quote]

“NCAA legislation permits institutions to provide only four classes of supplements: carbohydrate/electrolyte drinks; energy bars; carbohydrate boosters; and vitamins and minerals. For Division I, itÃ?¢??s spelled out in Bylaw 16.5.2 (g). (Division II has a similar rule, and Division III does not permit institutions to finance dietary supplements.)”

So no, they don’t provide “all kinds of supplements.” They provide a very limited range of supplements, but they certainly can’t provide creatine. There’s no reason to gloss over the point just because you don’t like the wording.[/quote]

When I walked on to Utah State in 99’ there was a whole room with protein and creatine and everything under the sun…and that is at a small D1 school.

Also if you watch the documentary about Alabama last year on ESPN they have huge coolers of Muscle Milk everywhere in their football facilities.[/quote]

That’s fine, but if the school is buying the creatine they would be breaking the rules. Again, the rule is about funding, not about any of those supplements being illegal to use.

And they might have muscle milk everywhere because that might be the supplement the players prefer, but that doesn’t mean it’s on Alabama’s tab. Then again, you could probably classify muscle milk as a “carbohydrate supplement.” The rule is stupid, but it still exists.

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500×609 42.2 KB

Gotta be careful, the players might start shooting!

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Skimmed this a bit, but I work with high school kids. When you’re dealing with minors here, there’s a very fine line between giving out normal in the real world and perfectly legal advice or suggestions, and saying something that can potentially bite you in the ass at a later date.

Believe me, the amount of questions I get about PEDs, and even basic OTC stuff like protein powders and the sort is more than many would suspect. To be honest, as much as I try to help kids that genuinely want some help, I have to be very careful with what I say to them.

S

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[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Typhoon wrote:
All of you that aren’t in the public school system or aren’t coaches really shouldn’t be commenting. Should teens be taking creatine? That’s up to the teen and their parents (your personal opinion on creatine really doesn’t play into it here).

Should coaches be providing anything to teen athletes besides food and water? absolutely not. No ifs and or buts. With a parent’s permission you can give certain medications, most definitely not supplements (No matter the supplement). As a coach that works with athletes 18 and younger, I get a parent’s permission just to give an Advil/ibuprofen and in the sport that I coach we go through a lot of Advil.

The coach was in the wrong here, plain and simple. [/quote]
Well it is an open forum, I didn’t know you need certain qualifications to offer an opinion[/quote]
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This is ridiculous. I find it amazing at how many people think OTC supps are steroids. I started taking creatine during high school football season to help my lifting numbers a bit. Many people I played sports with thought creatine was a legitimate steroid due to complete ignorance. I had to tell them it was protein powder so they wouldn’t flip out.

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Ppl are jus’ so quick to jump to conclusions on these things… 1 gram of creatine is in about every 4 ounces of red meat. Educate yourselves ppl.

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It’s not about the supplement. It’s about the coaches giving out a supplement to players. All they did to cover themselves was tell the handful of kids they gave it to to ask their parents. They basically tried to place responsibility of informing the parents on the kids, themselves, which makes it a second strike against them.

The fact that most people think creatine is a steroid probably played a part in it, too, but they still shouldn’t have done it.

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People fail to look into the brain safety of creatine and automatically jump to conclusions about the negative things, if honestly there is any.