Finishing 5 Week Dbol Cycle, Post Cycle Advice, Please

Pharma / TRT
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what up t nation. i was an expert back in 01 when i was scared of nothing and did whatever. since then i have taken a 2 year break in which i lifted 5 days a week and used protien, n.o., and any other bullcrap they sell at supplement stores. my initial gains were about 25 pounds in 6 months.

i was in rehab for drug and alcohol abuse, so needless to say i was light when i started, about 170. i played with the diet and got down to 185 earlier this year with about 12% bodyfat. i’m 5’11. i got on in late december a 30 ct. 50mg dbol cycle, taking 50mgs on workout days and 25 on off days.

i am now 200lbs with about 5 days left on the pinks. i ordered 6oxo and 11oxo to do a legal pct cause i dont know how to get things anymore, my boy happened to have the dbol when i saw him but doesnt normally. is there any advice as to what else i can do, if anything to maintain some of these gains?

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FAIL, you probably have heard this before and its been said many times: An oral only cycle is bound for failure. The gains will be hard to keep. 60x0 and the other shit Arnold came up with is not a proper PCT. Research a proper PCT and start over. Good luck

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
FAIL, you probably have heard this before and its been said many times: An oral only cycle is bound for failure. The gains will be hard to keep. 60x0 and the other shit Arnold came up with is not a proper PCT. Research a proper PCT and start over. Good luck[/quote]

Well put GB.
How’ve you been anyway dude? It’s been a long time, good to see you when I occasionaly drop by here these days…

Hope you’re good.
/hijack.

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[quote]howardversion1 wrote:
what up t nation. i was an expert back in 01 when i was scared of nothing and did whatever. since then i have taken a 2 year break in which i lifted 5 days a week and used protien, n.o., and any other bullcrap they sell at supplement stores. my initial gains were about 25 pounds in 6 months.

i was in rehab for drug and alcohol abuse, so needless to say i was light when i started, about 170. i played with the diet and got down to 185 earlier this year with about 12% bodyfat. i’m 5’11. i got on in late december a 30 ct. 50mg dbol cycle, taking 50mgs on workout days and 25 on off days.

i am now 200lbs with about 5 days left on the pinks. i ordered 6oxo and 11oxo to do a legal pct cause i dont know how to get things anymore, my boy happened to have the dbol when i saw him but doesnt normally. is there any advice as to what else i can do, if anything to maintain some of these gains?[/quote]

Ehh…dbol only cycle…bad mistake

Anyway, let me put it this way-If you haven’t got Tamoxifen citrate (Eg: Nolvadex), then you’re pretty much fucked. Also, why you doing 50mg on training days and 20mg on non training days??? Well if you doing the cycle after being to rehab from alcohol and drug abuse, I’m assuming your liver had been fully recovered BEFORE the cycle.

Listen, to be safer get 30mg ed and get some milk thistle. At least if you don’t get proper PCT you’ll have less chance of getting bitch tits due to more estrogen conversion from dbols. You said you are 5 weeks into the cycle, by next week you MUST end the cycle and approx 8 hrs after you gulped your last dose of dbol, gulp 20mg of nolvadex. Do it like this:

week 7: 40mg nolva ED split in 20/20 thought the day

week 8: 20mg nolva

week 9 20mg nolva

Run milk thistle from week 7 to 9 (go to a pharmacy and buy em). Also get some fish oil capsules…

If you can’t get nolvadex get yourself some clomiphene citrate (eg clomid), altough nolvadex is preferred. If that’s the case press th fucking search and do some reasearch, all you need is 5 friggin minutes.

Sorry for feeding the troll. Man realize that you are an idiot. Orals are not fucking skittles or M&Ms. If you haven’t got nolvadex or at least clomid you’re pretty much fucked.

Enjoy the bitch tits. Also you gonna notice you’ll lose all your gains if you not going to run a proper PCT cycle. 60x0 or whatever its called ain’t shit bro.

Sorry for being hard…no actually I’m not sorry

Good luck

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well craze, while i appreciate your insight and love your profile picture, you clearly didnt understand that i was only able to get dbol. i know i shouldve gotten more shit, but it wasn’t available to me. i wanted something, and thats all that was there when i went home to louisiana. i just moved here to vegas adn dont have a contact here or a website to use, i’m kinda fucked. thanks for the info anyway

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type in “research chemicals tamoxifen citrate” into google, buy it there…

DONT FUCKING CYCLE WITHOUT A PCT

my bet is your under 21 too huh?

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[quote]howardversion1 wrote:
well craze, while i appreciate your insight and love your profile picture, you clearly didnt understand that i was only able to get dbol. i know i shouldve gotten more shit, but it wasn’t available to me. i wanted something, and thats all that was there when i went home to louisiana. i just moved here to vegas adn dont have a contact here or a website to use, i’m kinda fucked. thanks for the info anyway[/quote]

[quote]howardversion1 wrote:
well craze, while i appreciate your insight and love your profile picture, you clearly didnt understand that i was only able to get dbol. i know i shouldve gotten more shit, but it wasn’t available to me. i wanted something, and thats all that was there when i went home to louisiana. i just moved here to vegas adn dont have a contact here or a website to use, i’m kinda fucked. thanks for the info anyway[/quote]

Man, eh sorry mate I might been a bit harsh on ya. But seriously bro get some nolvadex. I know you feel like shit but uh, bro seriously, get some SERMS. Go to another gym, find the typical ‘big guy’ and talk him out. Maybe you can buy some generic tamoxifen citrate (nolvadex) from him. Don’t want to hate on you, but man…ehhh…use some common sense. Don’t waste more time asking for advice. You know what you got to do now.

Wish you best of luck man

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yeah, i’m 29 dude and thanks for the research chemical advice. crazed biceps you have the best f’ing profile picture ever son. i did what you suggested and ordered some nolva for ‘my gyno’ from an online pharm where i get my allergy inhalers. it seems like its a go. i always knew about nolva and clomid, but never used them as far back as i remember.

i’ve been out of the game for like 7 years, so i’m just getting back in. i may as well be a 1st timer. i should have nolva by the end of the week. i will have to do 25mg/day of the dbol to last til then but it should work fine. thanks for rattling my cage man. holla

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If you’re getting back in the iron game, shouldn’t you stay off the gear and get your newb gains back naturally?

I mean why waste gear getting size you used to have while you can easily get 'em back naturally?

I think leave the gear aside for when your gains slow down.

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[quote]howardversion1 wrote:
yeah, i’m 29 dude and thanks for the research chemical advice. crazed biceps you have the best f’ing profile picture ever son. i did what you suggested and ordered some nolva for ‘my gyno’ from an online pharm where i get my allergy inhalers. it seems like its a go. i always knew about nolva and clomid, but never used them as far back as i remember.

i’ve been out of the game for like 7 years, so i’m just getting back in. i may as well be a 1st timer. i should have nolva by the end of the week. i will have to do 25mg/day of the dbol to last til then but it should work fine. thanks for rattling my cage man. holla[/quote]

No problem man! and thanks for the compliment. Make sure you buy some milk thistle capsules from a pharmacy and start gulping these down as soon as possible. They are dirt cheap anyway. They will help heal the liver from all the stress induced by the oral steroids. Continue to take milk thistle for at least 4 weeks after PCT. I agree with hussayn tough…to a certain extent. Well let me tell ya this-I been off the iron game for 3 years myself so I can relate somehow. If you can only get dbols why not gulp down 10mg dbols 1 and a half hours pre workout as a supplement? 10mgs are enough to reduce cortisol (that muscle burning effect) by approx. 70% and test is increased for 2.5 times baseline levels for 4 hours on average!

Hell beat THAT as a supplement. Read that from one of the authors around here. I’m using dbols that way and liver values are ok, its cheaper, and guaranteed its better than most supplements that promise you to get big. Start doing so in about 12 weeks after you finish PCT. To sum it up: Take 6 weeks on taking just 10mgs 1 and a half hours pre workout, 3 weeks off and again, in those 3 weeks off get your milk thistle. Also make sure you get some tests done while on cycle to determine if your liver is ok with such a dosing protocol at least once in a month. Keep in mind that alcohol and drug abuse may have damaged your liver to an extent. Play it safe man. DO NOT in any circumstance start another cycle/use dbols as a supplement before 12 weeks of staying off.

In the meantime, while ‘staying off’ you can switch to a natural alternative, that WORKS, like Biotest Tribulus gold. Basically you will be chemically enhanced all year long, but much safer, cheaper and it works-but again, check your liver values. No need to tell the doc you’re taking steroids anyway, again, use common sense. You got only 1 liver mate, take care of it.

Again, I may be the least competent to give advice regarding steroids tough. I’m just saying what I did/do and works for me. Most I’m sure will tell you to stay off until you get to your genetical peak, some will argue that injectables are better, some will call you a freak for taking such small doses of dbols, some will agree…all are good advice in a way, and bad in another. Again, use common sense and read read read.
My 2 cents

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
howardversion1 wrote:
yeah, i’m 29 dude and thanks for the research chemical advice. crazed biceps you have the best f’ing profile picture ever son. i did what you suggested and ordered some nolva for ‘my gyno’ from an online pharm where i get my allergy inhalers. it seems like its a go. i always knew about nolva and clomid, but never used them as far back as i remember.

i’ve been out of the game for like 7 years, so i’m just getting back in. i may as well be a 1st timer. i should have nolva by the end of the week. i will have to do 25mg/day of the dbol to last til then but it should work fine. thanks for rattling my cage man. holla

No problem man! and thanks for the compliment. Make sure you buy some milk thistle capsules from a pharmacy and start gulping these down as soon as possible. They are dirt cheap anyway. They will help heal the liver from all the stress induced by the oral steroids. Continue to take milk thistle for at least 4 weeks after PCT. I agree with hussayn tough…to a certain extent. Well let me tell ya this-I been off the iron game for 3 years myself so I can relate somehow. If you can only get dbols why not gulp down 10mg dbols 1 and a half hours pre workout as a supplement? 10mgs are enough to reduce cortisol (that muscle burning effect) by approx. 70% and test is increased for 2.5 times baseline levels for 4 hours on average! Hell beat THAT as a supplement. Read that from one of the authors around here. I’m using dbols that way and liver values are ok, its cheaper, and guaranteed its better than most supplements that promise you to get big. Start doing so in about 12 weeks after you finish PCT. To sum it up: Take 6 weeks on taking just 10mgs 1 and a half hours pre workout, 3 weeks off and again, in those 3 weeks off get your milk thistle. Also make sure you get some tests done while on cycle to determine if your liver is ok with such a dosing protocol at least once in a month. Keep in mind that alcohol and drug abuse may have damaged your liver to an extent. Play it safe man. DO NOT in any circumstance start another cycle/use dbols as a supplement before 12 weeks of staying off. In the meantime, while ‘staying off’ you can switch to a natural alternative, that WORKS, like Biotest Tribulus gold. Basically you will be chemically enhanced all year long, but much safer, cheaper and it works-but again, check your liver values. No need to tell the doc you’re taking steroids anyway, again, use common sense. You got only 1 liver mate, take care of it.

Again, I may be the least competent to give advice regarding steroids tough. I’m just saying what I did/do and works for me. Most I’m sure will tell you to stay off until you get to your genetical peak, some will argue that injectables are better, some will call you a freak for taking such small doses of dbols, some will agree…all are good advice in a way, and bad in another. Again, use common sense and read read read.
My 2 cents[/quote]

just to clarify you are advocating
wk1-6 10mg/dbol a day?

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
howardversion1 wrote:
yeah, i’m 29 dude and thanks for the research chemical advice. crazed biceps you have the best f’ing profile picture ever son. i did what you suggested and ordered some nolva for ‘my gyno’ from an online pharm where i get my allergy inhalers. it seems like its a go. i always knew about nolva and clomid, but never used them as far back as i remember.

i’ve been out of the game for like 7 years, so i’m just getting back in. i may as well be a 1st timer. i should have nolva by the end of the week. i will have to do 25mg/day of the dbol to last til then but it should work fine. thanks for rattling my cage man. holla

No problem man! and thanks for the compliment. Make sure you buy some milk thistle capsules from a pharmacy and start gulping these down as soon as possible. They are dirt cheap anyway. They will help heal the liver from all the stress induced by the oral steroids. Continue to take milk thistle for at least 4 weeks after PCT. I agree with hussayn tough…to a certain extent. Well let me tell ya this-I been off the iron game for 3 years myself so I can relate somehow. If you can only get dbols why not gulp down 10mg dbols 1 and a half hours pre workout as a supplement? 10mgs are enough to reduce cortisol (that muscle burning effect) by approx. 70% and test is increased for 2.5 times baseline levels for 4 hours on average! Hell beat THAT as a supplement. Read that from one of the authors around here. I’m using dbols that way and liver values are ok, its cheaper, and guaranteed its better than most supplements that promise you to get big. Start doing so in about 12 weeks after you finish PCT. To sum it up: Take 6 weeks on taking just 10mgs 1 and a half hours pre workout, 3 weeks off and again, in those 3 weeks off get your milk thistle. Also make sure you get some tests done while on cycle to determine if your liver is ok with such a dosing protocol at least once in a month. Keep in mind that alcohol and drug abuse may have damaged your liver to an extent. Play it safe man. DO NOT in any circumstance start another cycle/use dbols as a supplement before 12 weeks of staying off. In the meantime, while ‘staying off’ you can switch to a natural alternative, that WORKS, like Biotest Tribulus gold. Basically you will be chemically enhanced all year long, but much safer, cheaper and it works-but again, check your liver values. No need to tell the doc you’re taking steroids anyway, again, use common sense. You got only 1 liver mate, take care of it.

Again, I may be the least competent to give advice regarding steroids tough. I’m just saying what I did/do and works for me. Most I’m sure will tell you to stay off until you get to your genetical peak, some will argue that injectables are better, some will call you a freak for taking such small doses of dbols, some will agree…all are good advice in a way, and bad in another. Again, use common sense and read read read.
My 2 cents[/quote]

Have you done a dbol bridge before? Did you get blood tests done while doing it?

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Yeah went to the doc…didn’t inform my mother and stuff of course, in case things turned out to be bad. He took a blood sample. 3 weeks later he contacted me and told me that results where ok and all blood variables where within normal range. For some reason he told me to drink more water tough. I threw away the paper that he gave me, don’t want to make family members suspicious.

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damn so you dont know exact values? Drs tend to think low end of test is still normal, which could still indicate some suppression I imagine. Ive looked into the dbol bridge though seems like a plausible idea, especially if 10mg.day doesnt cause suppresion. Did you take a SERM concurrently?

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nah man, no SERMS. Haven’t noticed the need to be honest. Nipples haven’t been puffy with 10mgs. But hell 10mgs are enough to feel and look ‘pumped’ after about an hour. Like I have warmed up. I have some generic tamoxifen citrate tabs just in case anyway.

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well the SERM would be to lessen the suppression from the bol, not for gyno but interesting nonetheless. Thanks

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No problem mate

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I think leave the gear aside for when your gains slow down.[/quote]

thats what i did. been back on the iron for 5 days a week for the last 2 years. i meant back in the gear game

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I think leave the gear aside for when your gains slow down.[/quote]

thats what i did.when i said i was just getting back i meant to the gear, been back on the iron for 5 days a week for the last 2 years, only taking breaks for gym closures at the holidays. i got my natural gains back and have been around 190lbs, give or take,to be s depending on diet, for the last 16 months. so i grabbed the dbols. also as far as the reason for the dosage is that they’re 50mgs so to be sure i’m getting an even dose, i can only do halfs/ 25 mgs.

so i am doing 25 for the last 6 days. i feel strong and look decent. a little fatter than i’d like, but who isn’t. i’ll have nolva by the time the bol runs out. so i’ll be straight. thanks again men, now if only i could find a connect out here in vegas i’d be good to go.

after pct, i’ll just jump on creatine or something to get that water pump back at least. just hope to keep some of the gains. i’m now at 202 with 5 days to go

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Glad hearing you getting your shit sorted out. Keep strong mate. Truly wish you best of luck in your life.