I think docs don’t really give a shit about PFS because the population that they prescribe it to is too old and unhealthy to give a shit about most of those sides and just want to be able to pee. Just a thought
If you can avoid blood thinners that’s an obvious advantage.
Interesting about the application area. I guess someone could always start at the thigh and if it seems not enough go to scrotum, 14 days later.
When you get a script for it, do you take it to a compounding pharmacy or do they have these already mixed from a manufacturer. I believe in Canada we have to go to a compounding pharmacy. One thing that worries me is I read about a study in Ontario that examined the test content from various compounding pharmacy’s creams and it was all over the place. One even had little to no test in it. I may be doing a lot of travelling next year, and carrying cream around sounds convenient. I would imagine they don’t expire in less than a few months. Store at room temp, I’m guessing.
They don’t give a shit about it because they don’t accept is as a real condition. They literally think it’s made up bullshit because the drug company said so.
I don’t know what it would take to change their mind… a lot I suspect.
I also think and have been saying for a while that it puts them in this catch 22. Either they admit it has this potential side effect, which adds liability for them since they’ve prescribed it however many times even after hearing about PFS, or they keep denying it and prescribing as normal and claim there’s no risk of something like PFS happening. Head in the sand aligns with the rest of the medical community so that’s what most go with…
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PFS isn’t a diagnosable medical condition and a lot of docs have a problem with that because we live in a lab centric society. Docs in general have the highest suicide rates when compared to the general population, these institutions and insurance companies take control away from docs.
I literally feel it within minutes of application.
I think you may be right. I’m a nurse and I can see how frustrating it is for docs who can’t treat patients how they need to because they are boxed in by hospital admin, government and big pharma.
To be fair, the data is super weak and inconclusive. Even the new Baylor study is tepid as fuck. Is 1/1xxx(x)? Guys (most of which with mental illness prior to PFS) don’t have much change convincing anyone. Just be glad that trt worked lol.
True… I do think there’s a pretty healthy percentage of people who have “PFS” who really have underlying mental issues. Combine that with some screwed up hormones from finasteride (temporary or otherwise), mix in some “there is no cure, you’ll be like this for the rest of your life, period” perspectives from a popular PFS website or two and voila, you have super depressed crazy people that think their d’s will never work again.
I do think it’s legit for some people though.
Did the Baylor study finally come out?? Finally? I haven’t seen it, guess I need to look into that.
How’s it going with cream? Did you change the dose, new bloodwork or not yet?
@highpull I’ve read some of your posts and looking for advice…
As the thread title points out, I’m 10+ yrs off propecia with continuing side effects. I asked my dr to put me on thyroid meds about 2 yrs ago. My tsh was usually 3.6 or so. Now, it’s 2.3.
I think it helped slightly with weight at the love handle areas. A bit of help with skin, but, my skin is dry still. One thing I noticed is I thought my orgasm feeling dropped slightly with the synthroid 50mcg. It was only slightly, so I didn’t really think of stopping it.
I’m fairly thin… 6ft1 180. I probably don’t fit the hypothyroid mold.
So, fast forward to 2.5 months ago… Dr put me on testogel. I felt great at 2-3 weeks then pretty good… since 2 months morning erections kinda disappeared. I’m guessing I stopped producing T and the testogel isn’t enough. Haven’t had any labs since starting testogel yet.
I keep changing my mind, but, I think I will go to a private clinic supposedly under Dr. Neal Rouzier protocols.
They do the bhrt, thyroid, etc.
I’m wondering if I even need synthroid or if I should be on armour or what. At the same time, my dht (serum though, that I’ve learned probably doesn’t mean much) is barely in low range. This has me wanting to try test cream which I’m sure is available at this clinic.
Just looking for the best way to go to this clinic with a clean slate. If I should stop the synthroid and/or testogel first. And assuming the clinic thinks I have a thyroid issue… should I avoid trt until a few months of that is treated? Or can they try to treat both at the same time?
Any advice would be appreciated.
I see both men and women currently on HRT all the time.
If it is me, I would stay with your current program. I’d let your new doctor work you up from there and then move forward with whatever changes are indicated. My guess is you’ll be given armour or a T3/T4 combo custom compounded, plus a different testosterone, cream or injection. Good luck.
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Yeah, no point in quitting anything. Thanks
I’m calling trubalance this week. I’ll let them run all the labs.
@highpull Would you ever start someone on scrotal cream before injection and if so, what sort of situation would lead you that way? Excluding fear of needles… and sorry, what blood tests do you think I should make sure they order? Thanks
@samguy19 Did your penis sensitivity and orgasm feeling improve, also?
@ncsugrad2002 How bout you? Much penis sensitivity and orgasm feeling improvement? And I remember reading you were on scrotal cream for a bit until the transfer issues. Think you would prefer the cream if not for that? To be a real pain in the ass, how’s the hcg going? Last time I looked you weren’t on it that long… hoping things remained good.
Thanks guys.
There are more doctors per resident in Ontario than almost anywhere else. Not only will the doctor probably not notice, you have a million or so choices as replacements. Man up.
Yes, but lowered semen outputs on a testosterone only regiment. You’ll likely feel better on only T but HCG will help keep your volume up.
My mother’s a patient also. I need Caregiver status. He goes above and beyond for all the necessary paperwork I need.
Oh that’s good. If sensations improve, I guess volume doesn’t really matter and not looking to make babies.
You are worrying too much. There are literally too many doctors practicing in Ontario, and that has been the case for about 10 years, maybe a little longer. He is really unlikely to care, especially if you are seeing any kind of “Specialist” in the field instead. They don’t have enough patients to go around, he won’t mess with you about it.
Yeah I’m calling trubalance this week. I know @dbossa mentioned their network a few times.
Only patient preference. I give them options, except pellets, and we discuss the pros and cons and they make their choice. Rarely will any opt for a cream. Standard labs, this is our initial panel:
lipids
CMP
CBC
FSH
LH
prolactin
total testosterone
free testosterone
estradiol
IGF-1
DHEA-S
SHBG
TSH
free t4
free T3
PSA
VitD
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Thanks again @highpull