Finance Capitalism = Racism?

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[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
OP: Regardless of the details of this issue, for the love of God, DON’T START ARGUMENTS WITH PROFESSORS!!! I tried to debate or refute profs many times and it affected me negatively 9 times out of 10. Right, wrong, or irrelevant, the professor most likely doesn’t care what you have to say. Just cruise on through it, do what it takes to get the grade you need, and don’t let it get to you. Feeling macho for being right, even if the whole class knows it, won’t be of any use when the prof makes the rest of the semester hell for you or if you ever need her to write a reference for you later on. [/quote]

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Especially liberal arts teachers (at least in my experience). I’ve found science professors to be a bit more open. Engineering professors are just anal (more than not in my limited experience).

I had a french literature teacher during my undergrad who seemed to tie gender studies to everything he could and I would ask simple questions like where can I find the literature cited for an article that was required reading or something like that. He didn’t seem to like that at all. Other times I during class discussion (it was a small class), I would sometimes say opinions he didn’t agree with and I’d ask him why he disagreed and he got a snooty attitude with me and found an ‘eloquent’ way of saying ‘just because’. I think he resented my being in the class since I was a science major and everyone else was liberal arts.

In the end, I got A’s and B’s on all the coursework and papers, but because he didn’t care for what I had to say, I got a D or participation and I ended up with a C for the class despite the hours I poured into the required work for the class.

Two points:

  1. when a professor asks what your major is, if it’s an unrelated field, just don’t say anything at first until you can get a vibe for the professor
  2. Don’t argue against the professors, even if you’re not trying to. If you get the feeling that the professor thinks you’re arguing, just become agreeable (w/o sarcasm or attitude)
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[quote]OBoile wrote:

You seem to have completely mixed up correlation with causation. If a person is denied something because they cannot afford it that is not racism.

If you want to say that racism has caused more minorities to be lower class then sure, I’ll buy that. But classism itself did not cause this and is not “inherently racist”. “Rich” and “Poor” are, quite simply, not races.[/quote]

Wait, what? Racism is a form of classism. People aren’t just hating one another because of specific skin tone. They are hating each other because of what that skin tone is supposed to represent.

Therefore, classism on a mass scale will have racist connotations in a society that was built on the backs of racist agendas that we are still recovering from.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

This is an ahistorical view of the world. Alas, history matters.[/quote]

Not to the people here. The year 2010 apparently appeared out of thin air with no backstory.

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[quote]redleg32002000 wrote:
Finance Capitalism is to blame for the continuing racism in this country. It works like this: I interview two people for a job, one black and one white (her area of study is racism towards African Americans). I don’t want to offer the black guy any more money than I have to. I have to offer the white guy the same $ as the black guy. This leads to everyone being underpaid and having no control over their own lives. So the corporations keep racism alive.

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What’s the racist part? Is it the black guy ultimately not hired in this scenario so the all white staff can be paid higher wages than they have to be paid?

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
OP: Regardless of the details of this issue, for the love of God, DON’T START ARGUMENTS WITH PROFESSORS!!! I tried to debate or refute profs many times and it affected me negatively 9 times out of 10. Right, wrong, or irrelevant, the professor most likely doesn’t care what you have to say. Just cruise on through it, do what it takes to get the grade you need, and don’t let it get to you. Feeling macho for being right, even if the whole class knows it, won’t be of any use when the prof makes the rest of the semester hell for you or if you ever need her to write a reference for you later on. [/quote]

To piggy back on this, and I in no way am saying that everything that professors say is 100% correct, but bear in mind there is a very real reality that the professors know a hell of a a lot more about the topic than you do. What you have seen is a tiny sliver to what occurs. Do the professors have biases, sure - just like the students do. Do the professors have to simplify very complex ideas and present them in a way that most students understand? yes. And it is very conceivable that you understanding of the concept is simplistic and biased (you may not realize this) and that what the professor is trying to do is help you expand you understanding of the topic. And believe it or not, you might just be wrong.[/quote]

Oh yeah, and indoctrination is completely off the table… RIGHT?

Of course the world is racist, but that doesnt mean that ALL corporate arenas are.

I’m a multi-racial man, and of course people look at you differently, but that shit is a TWO WAY STREET:

  1. If a white kid grows up around white people in a white town in a white section of the country, if he sees a black kid for the first time, a natural reaction will be WOW a different looking kid!

  2. Same goes the other way around; I was in Harlem the other day(A predominantly black neighborhood) and I got looks from people all around like I had three heads. No complaints here.

BUT neither examples indicate racism. It’s called “Oh shit, something new/different than normal”. I really hate it when people say stuff like “Oh that place is racist theres only X amount of “RACIAL GROUP NAME” that work there” NEWSFLASH: 75% OF AMERICANS ARE WHITE, OR AT LEAST WHITE LOOKING! - You just might have better odds seeing a white person in America than other races.

I grew up with 3 next-door neighbors, 2 black families, and a serbian-albanian family, and we’re all still great friends. So my outlook may be different(I’m middle-brown).

Don’t get me wrong, because there are still plenty of racist pieces of shit around, and some black people back 40-50 years ago went through some serious tough shit, but don’t put all white people into the same pot.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
I’ve been in the corporate world now for over 10 years and I’m sorry but I don’t see any racism what so ever.

[/quote]

Are you a minority?[/quote]

Do I need to be?

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So she is making a blanket statement that covers all corporations in the US? Either that or they have studied every company? What about predominately black companies, or Asian companies? Does this apply to every one or just the white man? Sounds like a load of crap to me. What are you majoring in, and how is this going to help you gain employment when you graduate? Racism exists everywhere in every country to a degree, and that’s all you need to know.

Why don’t you spend your money on learning something that can help you. My favorite is the Liberals that are pushing for laws that will allow ugly people to not be discriminated against during the interview process. So I suppose in order to have a case you have to first declare yourself as ugly…

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
I’ve been in the corporate world now for over 10 years and I’m sorry but I don’t see any racism what so ever.

[/quote]

So if I have seen it does that make me or you wrong?
[/quote]

If it makes you feel better, you can be right. I’ve never seen it. I think we spend way too much time arguing about it. My point is, our universities would be doing a greater service to college grads by actually teaching them something more worth while than worrying about the great white boogyman.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]strengthstudent wrote:
OP: Regardless of the details of this issue, for the love of God, DON’T START ARGUMENTS WITH PROFESSORS!!! I tried to debate or refute profs many times and it affected me negatively 9 times out of 10. Right, wrong, or irrelevant, the professor most likely doesn’t care what you have to say. Just cruise on through it, do what it takes to get the grade you need, and don’t let it get to you. Feeling macho for being right, even if the whole class knows it, won’t be of any use when the prof makes the rest of the semester hell for you or if you ever need her to write a reference for you later on. [/quote]

To piggy back on this, and I in no way am saying that everything that professors say is 100% correct, but bear in mind there is a very real reality that the professors know a hell of a a lot more about the topic than you do. What you have seen is a tiny sliver to what occurs. Do the professors have biases, sure - just like the students do. Do the professors have to simplify very complex ideas and present them in a way that most students understand? yes. And it is very conceivable that you understanding of the concept is simplistic and biased (you may not realize this) and that what the professor is trying to do is help you expand you understanding of the topic. And believe it or not, you might just be wrong.[/quote]

Oh yeah, and indoctrination is completely off the table… RIGHT?

Of course the world is racist, but that doesnt mean that ALL corporate arenas are.

I’m a multi-racial man, and of course people look at you differently, but that shit is a TWO WAY STREET:

  1. If a white kid grows up around white people in a white town in a white section of the country, if he sees a black kid for the first time, a natural reaction will be WOW a different looking kid!

  2. Same goes the other way around; I was in Harlem the other day(A predominantly black neighborhood) and I got looks from people all around like I had three heads. No complaints here.

BUT neither examples indicate racism. It’s called “Oh shit, something new/different than normal”. I really hate it when people say stuff like “Oh that place is racist theres only X amount of “RACIAL GROUP NAME” that work there” NEWSFLASH: 75% OF AMERICANS ARE WHITE, OR AT LEAST WHITE LOOKING! - You just might have better odds seeing a white person in America than other races.

I grew up with 3 next-door neighbors, 2 black families, and a serbian-albanian family, and we’re all still great friends. So my outlook may be different(I’m middle-brown).

Don’t get me wrong, because there are still plenty of racist pieces of shit around, and some black people back 40-50 years ago went through some serious tough shit, but don’t put all white people into the same pot.

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Are you responding to me or strength? My point here is a general statement about professors and to counter some knee-jerk reactions on this thread (and others) that the professor is an idiot because they are teaching something counter to what the student believes is true.

If you are questioning institutional racism, my short answer would be the tendrils of racism are so beep in the fabric of US culture that it is too simplistic to think we have erased racism, or the product of racism, anywhere.

If your question is about capitalism and race/gender, etc. Then I would comment that capitalism is always seeking cheaper labor and will use whatever justification for paying less (think child labor, outsourcing, push from skilled to unskilled jobs in manufacturing, etc.). Plus, there is the business model of 'keep them dumb (uneducated) and poor and you can keep them as your labor pool.

Otherwise I do not believe I have put anyone in a pot.

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[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
I’ve been in the corporate world now for over 10 years and I’m sorry but I don’t see any racism what so ever.

[/quote]

So if I have seen it does that make me or you wrong?
[/quote]

If it makes you feel better, you can be right. I’ve never seen it. I think we spend way too much time arguing about it. My point is, our universities would be doing a greater service to college grads by actually teaching them something more worth while than worrying about the great white boogyman.[/quote]

I hope racism in the (corporate) world is diminishing. However, it is a scant education that prepares the student to perform specific skills for a particular job. Education is about teaching students to think critically and question, to be creative, to produce their own work and take pride in the product, to communicate effectively to different types of audiences to and see and think beyond the 30 sec sound bites. If you know how to learn you can learn new skills. If you only learn particular skills then you can be quickly out of a job and unemployable.

Getting multiple viewpoints is part of the larger education product. And lets face it, if no one worried about the great white boogie man then slavery would still exist in the US.

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[quote]a_train wrote:
Racism exists everywhere in every country to a degree, and that’s all you need to know.
[/quote]

You are okay with this?

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[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Your teacher is a stupid hippy.
/end thread[/quote]

I second this. You should counter her argument by stating that the welfare system is racist and has enslaved an entire generation of Blacks by making them dependent on government handouts. The new slavery.

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I highly encourage everyone to read the book Negrophilia by Erik Rush. Here is the description from Amazon.com:

Negrophilia studies the undue and inordinate affinity for blacks (as opposed to antipathy toward them) that has been promoted by activists, politicians and the establishment press for the past 40 years and which has fostered an erroneous perception of blacks, particularly in America. The book dissects the dynamic of race relations and race politics with an emphasis on same since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, how these are likely to develop given a Barack Obama presidency, and how conscientious Americans may discern the deeper truths of these matters and thus develop healthier perceptions.

http://astore.amazon.com/www5100bloc0b-20/detail/1935071823

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[quote]FarBeyondDriven. wrote:

You should counter her argument by stating that the welfare system is racist and has enslaved an entire generation of Blacks by making them dependent on government handouts. The new slavery.[/quote]

Sounds like you have been reading Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell

http://astore.amazon.com/www5100bloc0b-20/detail/1594031436

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[quote]xandrewx wrote:
I highly encourage everyone to read the book Negrophilia by Erik Rush. Here is the description from Amazon.com:

Negrophilia studies the undue and inordinate affinity for blacks (as opposed to antipathy toward them) that has been promoted by activists, politicians and the establishment press for the past 40 years and which has fostered an erroneous perception of blacks, particularly in America. The book dissects the dynamic of race relations and race politics with an emphasis on same since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, how these are likely to develop given a Barack Obama presidency, and how conscientious Americans may discern the deeper truths of these matters and thus develop healthier perceptions.

http://astore.amazon.com/www5100bloc0b-20/detail/1935071823[/quote]

LOL. So what was the previous few hundred years of “white affinity” called?

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[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
I’ve been in the corporate world now for over 10 years and I’m sorry but I don’t see any racism what so ever.

[/quote]

Are you a minority?[/quote]

Do I need to be?[/quote]

Gee, to notice whether there is racism against minorities that in today’s society is much more covert than people wearing KKK shirts to work? Yeah, probably.

The statement that there is no racism in the corporate world based on the perception of a nonminority is simply illogical…unless you truly believe there is no racism in which case you may just be insane minority or not.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xandrewx wrote:
I highly encourage everyone to read the book Negrophilia by Erik Rush. Here is the description from Amazon.com:

Negrophilia studies the undue and inordinate affinity for blacks (as opposed to antipathy toward them) that has been promoted by activists, politicians and the establishment press for the past 40 years and which has fostered an erroneous perception of blacks, particularly in America. The book dissects the dynamic of race relations and race politics with an emphasis on same since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, how these are likely to develop given a Barack Obama presidency, and how conscientious Americans may discern the deeper truths of these matters and thus develop healthier perceptions.

http://astore.amazon.com/www5100bloc0b-20/detail/1935071823[/quote]

LOL. So what was the previous few hundred years of “white affinity” called?

[/quote]

I have no witty response, sadly most of this world’s history involves one country trying to enslave another. I am however happy that we now live in a country where my generation can view slavery and most openly racist acts as something in the distant past. I am not saying Erik Rush is right or wrong I just thought it was a very interesting, insightful, and fresh viewpoint from an African American author.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]xandrewx wrote:
I highly encourage everyone to read the book Negrophilia by Erik Rush. Here is the description from Amazon.com:

Negrophilia studies the undue and inordinate affinity for blacks (as opposed to antipathy toward them) that has been promoted by activists, politicians and the establishment press for the past 40 years and which has fostered an erroneous perception of blacks, particularly in America. The book dissects the dynamic of race relations and race politics with an emphasis on same since the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, how these are likely to develop given a Barack Obama presidency, and how conscientious Americans may discern the deeper truths of these matters and thus develop healthier perceptions.

http://astore.amazon.com/www5100bloc0b-20/detail/1935071823[/quote]

LOL. So what was the previous few hundred years of “white affinity” called?

[/quote]

Feudalism and servitude.

It was a time where 80% or so lived to serve their masters that were born into that privilege.

Sounds familiar?

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I had to look up ‘affinity’. In case anyone else needed a definition:

af·fin·i·ty
â?? â??/É?Ë?fɪnɪti/ Show Spelled [uh-fin-i-tee] Show IPA noun,plural-ties., adjective
â??noun

  1. a natural liking for or attraction to a person, thing, idea, etc.
  2. a person, thing, idea, etc., for which such a natural liking or attraction is felt.
  3. relationship by marriage or by ties other than those of blood (distinguished from consanguinity).
  4. inherent likeness or agreement; close resemblance or connection.
  5. Biology. the phylogenetic relationship between two organisms or groups of organisms resulting in a resemblance in general plan or structure, or in the essential structural parts.
  6. Chemistry. the force by which atoms are held together in chemical compounds.
    â??adjective
  7. of or pertaining to persons who share the same interests: to arrange charter flights for opera lovers and other affinity groups.
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I just so happened to look up irony:

i·ro·ny (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies
1.
a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
b. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
c. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.
2.
a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: “Hyde noted the irony of Ireland’s copying the nation she most hated” (Richard Kain).
b. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
3. Dramatic irony.
4. Socratic irony.