[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
While I don’t doubt that racism exists in education, the example you give appears to be discrimination against poor people, not against non-whites. As JoeGood says, that is “classism” not “racism”.
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Again, I don’t disagree with this - but in my view, and in terms of “institutionalized racism”, classism is inherently racist since people of color already start off in a disadvantaged position when compared to their peers.
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Except that there are plenty of wealthy black people and plenty of poor white people. Labeling classism as racism ignores these groups and therefore is not accurate.[/quote]
It may not be perfectly accurate, but to deny that “classism” can have generationally RACIST effects is just naive. It may have been “classism” when a company first starts its hiring practices, but 20 years later when this is done across many corporations, it will no doubt effect blacks and hispanics on a much larger scale, therefore making is a racial issue as well.
You are using semantics to ignore the overall effects on a grand scale.
White poor people existing does not erase the larger racial effect when looking at THOUSANDS of people.[/quote]
What? Arguing semantics? Is that what you say when you know you’re wrong about something but refuse to admit it?
You are calling what is actually an inherent bias founded in economic stratification RACISM, which is, by the very definition of RACISM, incorrect. Racism is SOCIAL stratification.
From Merriam-Webster’s:
Racism:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
Just because the stratification falls along racial lines AT TIMES does not racism make. Racism explicity requires a prejudice based primarily on race. Correlation =/= Causality. Race and class are CORRELATED but certainly not CAUSAL. You want a CAUSAL relationship? Being poor in the present tends to cause being poor in the future.
You are trying to do your usual tapdance around the facts by dismissing what is really relevant evidence that is entirely contradictory to your claims. Appalachia and even much of the rural Southeast demonstrate fairly well that the issues in education and resources are due to inherent CLASSISM. Underperforming schools are underfunded because of a low local tax base, not because any minority is in attendance. This is discrimination based on INCOME, not race. If it were racist (by the DEFINITION of racism, those damned semantics!), then whites in low income areas would somehow be exempt from the ill effects of coming up in a poor area with dysfunctional schools. As proven by Appalachia, parts of the rural Southeast, and destitute areas of the midwest, this is hardly the case, therefor, RACISM is not the culprit.
This bullshit you are spouting off is the typical “blame everyone because we’re black” rhetoric that shuysters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have used to dupe a generation of potentially gifted and talented young Americans into thinking that it’s not their fault because THE SYSTEM is out to get them and that they DESERVE special consideration because of things that never happened to them personally.