This pretty much sums it up.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
That’s a very, very Red map.
Sums up what???
Although there is TONS more red on the map then blue, the popular vote was only won by a difference of 3% (4 million or so votes). Call me when grass, dirt, and rocks get a vote, then that map will be meaningful.
jnd
That’s pretty!
Sums up the fact that living in an urban center doesn’t automatically make you intelligent.
AGREED!
To me it says that Bush’s marketing team did a great job of convincing all the dumbasses across Hicksville, USA that if they didn’t vote for him, terrorists would crash planes into their trailer parks.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
Sums up the fact that living in an urban center doesn’t automatically make you intelligent.[/quote]
I really must be slow, but I do not understand this comment at all. Perhaps you could explain it?!??!?
[quote]rosheem wrote:
To me it says that Bush’s marketing team did a great job of convincing all the dumbasses across Hicksville, USA that if they didn’t vote for him, terrorists would crash planes into their trailer parks.[/quote]
And that is the exact attitude that helped your man go down to defeat!
Yes, I can.
I used to live in an urban center. I went to school in an urban center. There tends to be an attitude that springs up there that there is a direct correlation between
your intelligence and your proximity to a university, a coffee house and such. The further you live away from such places, the less intelligent you must be(such as most parts of the midwest or the south).
Please see the hateful comment made by the great social scientist rosheem above.
The large-scale generalization that should be made:
Bush appealed to those of the rural demographic; Kerry appealed to those of the urban demographic.
Even four-years ago, we all knew this would happen. Now, quit trying to read partisan bullshit into it, as if Bush dominating the square mileage was some big surprise.
I live in Tennessee, where Kerry took the two largest counties, Shelby (Memphis) and Davidson (Nashville), and not much else. Not a shock. Not at all.
~Terumo
Beautiful red map emphasizing Bush’s broad support.
By the way, elitest comments will lose you the Presidency/House/Senate/Supreme Court FOREVER.
Keep it up, and watch the results.
JeffR
I’m shocked Bush took Cameron county (the Southern most tip of Texas). It’s about 90% hispanic.
Please see the hateful comment made by the great social scientist rosheem above.[/quote]
How is my comment any more “hateful” than your original comment? You said that people in urban centers who voted Democrat were unintelligent. Go back and read what you wrote. Although I used different words, I said the same thing about people in rural areas who voted Republican. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. This forum is supposed to be “Dangerously Hardcore” isn’t it? By the way, I have 5 coffeehouses within a 6 block radius of my loft…how many you got? Rosheem, The Great Social Scientist
[quote]rosheem wrote:
.how many you got?[/quote]
According to your grammar, you need to move closer to your precious coffee houses.
[quote]Terumo wrote:
The large-scale generalization that should be made:
Bush appealed to those of the rural demographic; Kerry appealed to those of the urban demographic.
Even four-years ago, we all knew this would happen. Now, quit trying to read partisan bullshit into it, as if Bush dominating the square mileage was some big surprise.
I live in Tennessee, where Kerry took the two largest counties, Shelby (Memphis) and Davidson (Nashville), and not much else. Not a shock. Not at all.
~Terumo[/quote]
Terumo,
This broad generalization is inaccurate. By your account, 4 million people differentiate rural versus urban populations. This is just false.
According to your grammar, you need to move closer to your precious coffee houses.[/quote]
According to your inability to recognize the difference between poor grammar and common slang, as well as your inability to recognize an obviously toungue-in-cheek comment, you need to move your head further from the inside of your ass.
[quote]jnd wrote:
Terumo,
This broad generalization is inaccurate. By your account, 4 million people differentiate rural versus urban populations. This is just false.
[/quote]
What I said has to be true. If Kerry had not taken areas that had greater population density (i.e. urban areas), and if this map is accurate, then Bush would have won by a landslide.
Yes, what I said was a “broad generalization.” I stated that in the first sentence. However, it is futile to bicker over petty issues such as the intelligence of the those that voted red or blue. That was the point I wished to make.
Yes, as a whole, Kerry’s voters were those in areas of higher density. No one can argue this. If this was untrue, and the candidates won the electors of equally populated areas, then the popular vote would have reflected the square mileage ratio. It didn’t.
Popular vote = 51% vs 48%
Square mileage ratio = 82% vs 18%
But yes, as I said, this is a general statement. For example, Knox county (Knoxville, TN), another urban county in Tennessee pulled for Bush. There are always exceptions to generalizations; don’t pick at them.
~Terumo
And here I thought it would get boring and nice after the election was over! Yay! we are still arguing and fighting, I still have my #1 source ov entertainment. The national media has nothing on our debates here. I feel the love!
Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins
[quote]rosheem wrote:
Please see the hateful comment made by the great social scientist rosheem above.
How is my comment any more “hateful” than your original comment? You said that people in urban centers who voted Democrat were unintelligent. Go back and read what you wrote. Although I used different words, I said the same thing about people in rural areas who voted Republican. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. This forum is supposed to be “Dangerously Hardcore” isn’t it? By the way, I have 5 coffeehouses within a 6 block radius of my loft…how many you got? Rosheem, The Great Social Scientist[/quote]
Maybe I’m a little slow on the uptake, but who cares how many coffee houses are near your loft, and how does that at all relate to your point?
I suppose that sentence follows the observation about “Dangerously Hardcore,” so should we assume your idea of dangerously hardcore is a lot of coffee houses serving carmlato mocha with extra whipped cream? That would make about as much sense as any other explanation of why you put that in there.
BTW, on topic, it’s the attitude of looking down on the people in the middle of the country that will assure those people continue to distrust those who view themselves as “elites” and vote against the people you think they should support.
This whole attitude is caught nicely by these quotes from New Yorkers in the New York Times today:
[Begin NYT excerpt] “I’m saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland,” Dr. Joseph said. “This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland.”
"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.
His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say." ...
Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it. "People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said. [End NYT excerpt]
You can feel the condescension drip from each statement. And the people in the south and midwest know its there, and that’s why they distrust people like that who try to lecture them on what’s best for them. You get the feeling they would love to ship them off to a re-education camp somewhere so the poor, misguided people in “flyover country” would have the “correct” views on things.
And, of course, it’s a bunch of crap. Look at what that lady says about Manhattanites not being influenced by what people say – Manhattanites live in a giant liberal feedback loop, which is why they were so shocked by what occurred in the election. They actually believe what their friends tell them, and thought it was just a given that Bush would lose. Surprise. A little reality just popped their bubble.
Not to mention that I’ve lived in Red States and Blue States, and I can guarantee you there are some pretty darn smart people in the Red States who know exactly what they believe, why they believe it, and why they think Bush was the better candidate. Living in proximity 6 coffeeshops won’t make you any smarter, although it might make you more nervous. Living in a city with some smart people won’t make you think, either, as evidenced by the quotes in the story above.