Interesting analysis:
The democratic party is in a ‘reform or die’ mode right now. . .we are licking our assholes trying to figure out what happened. BB, as much as I hate to agree with you AT ALL, you are right. This elitist attitude must be softened and centered.
The big question I have after all this is
‘Who is a democrat? Who is a Republican?’
I think the traditional paradigm of both parties has been shattered. You have the lower income voting Republican, and the many ‘elitists’ voting democratic.
It will be interesting to see if my party ‘Skates or Dies’.
“…we are licking our assholes trying to figure out what happened.”
Still laughing.
I agree that the party paradigms are totally misconstrued by the ignoramous. Democrats are becoming more leftist and elitist every four years, and that exact attitude that people of the city have towards rural Americans is what the whole North/South feelings of mutual contempt stem from. Pretention and false ideologies run amock in New York City.
Although some people go too far in their elitist put-downs towards those in rural areas, there is something in that pattern. Those in the urban areas, those who have a more cosmopolitan view, those who live near the sea, generally voted Kerry. You can’t make a sweeping generalisation and say everyone in Boston or LA is smarter than those in Little Rock, or Fargo, but the chances that they are better educated ON AVERAGE is a good one. Where are the majority of professional jobs based?
One, person, one vote, however, regardless of whether that person is a college professor or a redneck in a trailer park.
Also see the related thread on IQ and voting.
[quote]rosheem wrote:
According to your grammar, you need to move closer to your precious coffee houses.
According to your inability to recognize the difference between poor grammar and common slang, as well as your inability to recognize an obviously toungue-in-cheek comment, you need to move your head further from the inside of your ass.[/quote]
You don’t even have the nut sack to quote my name in your response and directly address me. That is weak. Keep talking. You’re giving us all a unique insight to your intellect.
As a liberal (kind of) from a rural area I’m getting pretty sick of rural areas getting shitted on by my own fucking party.
Another thing that these elitists don’t realise. As much as you look down on the rural areas, the rural areas look down on you. Even people like me and my aunt (who are very liberal people) think you are a bunch of lazy lucky to have a rich daddy shit heads.
Not quite.
And furthermore…
You don’t even have the nut sack to quote my name in your response and directly address me. That is weak. Keep talking. You’re giving us all a unique insight to your intellect.[/quote]
Zepplin: I welcome you all into that unique insight.
I sincerely didn’t mean to leave your name out. Yes, I was most certainly addressing that last post to you. I swear upon my nutsack. I am not a Kerry man. I truly believe that our nation is in better hands with Bush, yet I voted for Kerry. The thing is, I was voting for a set of beliefs. Just as you were, I’m sure. In my opinion, and you can call it my “elitist” or “defeatest” or “bleeding-heart liberal” opinion, you are not like most of the people who voted for Bush, Clearly, you have peeled back the layers and scrutinized this from every angle. Maybe you think Bush is a real good guy. But I’m betting that you were not voting for a personality…you were voting for your own set of beliefs, and voting in a way that would maximize the potential for those beliefs to be realized. But I think MOST of those red votes came from people who identified with a PERSON…not from people who peeled back the layers and asked the next layer of questions. Urban centers vote blue. Why? More coffee shops? Hmmm…probably not. I think people who live in urban centers tend to be more progressive…more forward-thinking, and more plugged-in to global considerations. I think the heartland/midwest/breadbasket counties vote with their hearts. Bush’s campaign people knew this. That’s why he won.
By the way…this whole thing started because he called me stupid and I called him stupid right back.
[quote]rosheem wrote:
By the way…this whole thing started because he called me stupid and I called him stupid right back.
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Not true. I mentioned that you needed to move closer to coffee houses, AFTER you said, “dumbasses across Hicksville, USA.”
Literally, you didn’t call me stupid, but you called a whole lot of us “dumbasses.”
Good day.
Rosheem,
Read my initial post again. I never said living in an urban center makes you unintelligent…I said it doesnt automatically mean you are more intelligent, more informed and more “progressive”(a hell of a loaded term by the way). You used the phrase “dumbass hicks” and you are the one guilty of stereotyping. I chose my words carefully.
Then you challenge me by asking how many coffee houses are near me? 0. I live in a strange area…rural/suburban. Lot of very wealthy people near me and some multi-generation farmers too. I told you I did both…the urban thing and now this. For the most part, the liberal attitudes that surround universities and such are flawed fundamentally because they go against what it means to be American. Work hard, dont expect anything, have some type of moral center, defend yourself, respect the country and its system…all of that is spit on, by and large, by “progressives”, despite their denials.
Middle America has the right idea.
Bush7,
“As a liberal (kind of) from a rural area I’m getting pretty sick of rural areas getting shitted on by my own fucking party.”
Exactly right. Your party has decided that if you’re not an urban dandy, your vote isn’t worth anything.
The group that should be be the angriest after the 2004 election are the rural Democrats. Once a strong force in the country, the Left-wing ‘cool kids’ have decided that the rural Democrat - even if he is a professed liberal - isn’t good enough to get into the party.
There are many people who consider themselves ‘liberals’ who aren’t in the postmodern wing of the Left.
Also, anyone else notice an inverse ratio between the people posting about ‘dumbass rednecks voting for Bush’ and the intelligence of the post itself?
You’d think some of these supremely intelligent and educated Kerry supporters could write better than a 3rd grade level.
[quote]Fuquad wrote:
Not quite.[/quote]
As Fuquad’s picture suggests, If Chris Shugart ran on his “Radical Center” ticket, rather than extreme right or left (like Republicans or Democrats), he would amass 100% of the vote…
Both parties have left the average American far behind. I would be willing to bet that most of your votes were “against that other SOB” rather than “for your candidate”.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
For the most part, the liberal attitudes that surround universities and such are flawed fundamentally because they go against what it means to be American. Work hard, dont expect anything, have some type of moral center, defend yourself, respect the country and its system…all of that is spit on, by and large, by “progressives”, despite their denials.
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This is such shit. As if one group has cornered the market on these ideals. I believe in all of these principles, BUT I also believe that women should have the right to choose, and that EVERYONE should be treated equally. If that makes me a liberal- that’s fine with me.
I think everyone is wrong by saying that the Democrats didnt give a shit about rural America.
This was a campaign based soley in only sixteen states. If you lived in California or Oklahoma, your vote was not pivotal, at least according to both parties. How many of you in Wyoming got a lot of campaign stops, or those in NY, or in Idaho, or in CT.
I dont think at all that the Democrats have shut off middle America or rural areas on purpose or as part of a new ‘elitist’ strategy. Its that the Republican party has now completely associated themselves with “traditional values” and captured that vote.
The Democrats need to reorganize and redefine what they stand for, which is real American values: The New Deal and social welfare programs, Civil Rights and liberties, equality for all.
Rosh dude! -" But I think MOST of those red votes came from people who identified with a PERSON…not from people who peeled back the layers and asked the next layer of questions. Urban centers vote blue. Why? More coffee shops? Hmmm…probably not. I think people who live in urban centers tend to be more progressive…more forward-thinking, and more plugged-in to global considerations. I think the heartland/midwest/breadbasket counties vote with their hearts. Bush’s campaign people knew this. That’s why he won.
By the way…this whole thing started because he called me stupid and I called him stupid right back."
That right there IS the elitist shit we are talking about. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW? did god bless you will all powerful perception to read minds? I live in upstate new york, near a small city. I can drive 5 miles and be in the cities center, with your coffe shops, your comedy clubs, your high rise office buildings, (and pubs) 
and I can drive 2 miles to a dairy farm. If anything it is areas like mine that “should” have more life experience. I have thrown hay, worked on a bee (honey) farm, shoveled shit, delivered beer, worked for several large insurance companies, and now run a small insurance agency. Life experience is what gains you insight and wisdom, not the fact that you live in a city. Have you ever watched that show where paris hilton went to live on a farm? She got smarter the longer she stayed there! And i’m not saying that farming makes you smart, I am saying a broad spectrum of life experience is what makes you a smart and objective person. If all you know is coffe shop liberal talk, you aren’t very enlightend of wise my friend. (again not saying that this is all you are but in general)
By the way, cities that I am referring to like albany, syracuse, Utica, all went to Bush.
Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins
The supposed “intellectual”, “forward thinking”, “progressive” Americans.