Final Word On Lies About Kerry

Well, at the risk of heading out of agreement and into dissent, we are left with one major issue.

The swift boat vets are not simply working to prove an issue. They are spending a lot of money pushing the issue to the general public via TV ads in order to influence an election.

This puts a bit more spin on the issue in general. Combine their self-admitted malice for Kerry and their actions which are an attempt to sink his election hopes, and the picture changes a bit. Are they “searching for truth” or conducting a smear campaign?

Did Bush do coke? I don’t know. I doubt we will know until after he is long gone from the presidency. The salon article refers to a book which indeed claims to have “highly placed inside sources”, but no proof tangible. Considering he had an alcohol problem and partied a lot, there is a fair chance.

Should commercials be run with a Bush look alike snorting coke in the hopes of having him not be elected? I’m sure some “eyewitnesses” could be paid enough money to come forward and stand up. You could even have him enthusiastically quoting incoherent and conflicting sentences.

This may not be far from what we are seeing right now. I guess it is too late to ask this question now, but is this the direction you want the election process to take? I can’t wait to see what types of issues are brought to light for the 2008 campaign.

I’m sure there are lower depths left to plumb…

[quote]vroom wrote:
Well, at the risk of heading out of agreement and into dissent, we are left with one major issue.

The swift boat vets are not simply working to prove an issue. They are spending a lot of money pushing the issue to the general public via TV ads in order to influence an election.

This puts a bit more spin on the issue in general. Combine their self-admitted malice for Kerry and their actions which are an attempt to sink his election hopes, and the picture changes a bit. Are they “searching for truth” or conducting a smear campaign?

Did Bush do coke? I don’t know. I doubt we will know until after he is long gone from the presidency. The salon article refers to a book which indeed claims to have “highly placed inside sources”, but no proof tangible. Considering he had an alcohol problem and partied a lot, there is a fair chance.

Should commercials be run with a Bush look alike snorting coke in the hopes of having him not be elected? I’m sure some “eyewitnesses” could be paid enough money to come forward and stand up. You could even have him enthusiastically quoting incoherent and conflicting sentences.

This may not be far from what we are seeing right now. I guess it is too late to ask this question now, but is this the direction you want the election process to take? I can’t wait to see what types of issues are brought to light for the 2008 campaign.

I’m sure there are lower depths left to plumb…[/quote]

Well, I agree with your bolded statement, but I don’t think that points out anything non-obvious: Of course they are trying to influence the election. Why else would they run commercials with their accusations in the first place?

This goes back to the First Amendment issue - and I should note that I am a strong-form 1st Amendment guy. The First Amendment was put in place precisely to protect this type of political speech: Dissent; partisan speech to influence the political process. And the theoretical justifications for the 1st Amendment’s Free Speech clause rest on the idea that citizens have a right to engage in speech FOR THE PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING ELECTIONS, i.e. the political processes in a democratic republic.

As far as it goes, I don’t think they’re “searching for truth” at all – mostly because I think they believe their version of truth is correct, so they’re not really interested in Kerry’s version other than to disprove it.

We, the voters, are the ones searching for truth, and we are the ones who need to search through the available facts, weigh the evidence, and make a decision based on the weight of that evidence.

As far as the Bush stuff goes, your hypothetical is interesting, but until they come up with some actual eyewitnesses who are willing to stand by their stories - and I find it hard to believe they haven’t tried - they know they have an extremely weak case to present, which I submit is why we haven’t seen it seriously pursued yet, from two gubernatorial elections and now two presidential elections.

It’s all fine and good for some “independent” journalist to write a hit piece, but for national journalists or actual candidates to level these accusations, they would put their credibility on the line, which they are unwilling to do. Obviously, none of the “eyewitnesses” are either motivated enough or sure enough of their stories to do so either - but the Swiftboat Vets are, something that people will weigh in the consideration (at least in the relative strength of the two accusations).

[quote]JeffR wrote:

I’m beginning to think that the SwiftVets are telling the truth. You know why? Look at Kerry’s reaction to it.

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I would like it if he did just shut up about it… let the “truth” speak for itself… its all such a friggin soap opera now… but you know that if he does people will think it must be true since he’s not responding! Plus, the news prints whats being said… whats not being said will be left to imaginations… They cant afford to let this slide.

Editorial from the NYPost - admittedly, this paper is no fan of Kerry’s.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/27741.htm

August 29, 2004 –

Former Navy Secretary John Leh man denied at week’s end having written the Silver Star citation that appears on John Kerry’s campaign Web site over Lehman’s signature, dealing the Democrat’s presidential campaign another stunning blow.

Which makes us wonder: Does Kerry still believe that running on his Vietnam will gain him the White House?

Kerry’s Silver Star is the most prestigious of his Vietnam decorations ? it’s the nation’s third-highest for combat valor ? but there are at least three official versions of how he earned it.

The most recent ? and the one with the most florid rhetoric ? allegedly was signed by Lehman. But the former Navy secretary told the Chicago Sun-Times Friday: “I never saw it. I never signed it it. I never approved it.”

Nevertheless, there it is on Kerry’s Web site, over Lehman’s signature.

It’s a bewilderment, to put it mildly.

But not quite as mysterious as the Kerry Vietnam strategy itself.

Kerry has been hurt badly by the charges leveled by fellow Swift boat vets, wounds that are entirely self-inflicted.

The vets were galvanized by the book “Tour of Duty,” which is based on Kerry’s own self-promoting descriptions.

Some 250 or so “Swifties,” who have been seething ever since Kerry’s 1971 defamation of U.S. troops in Vietnam in the Senate, were moved to respond.

Kerry could have denied their charges and dropped the subject. But he upped the ante at every opportunity.

  • Kerry won his primary victory over Howard Dean by pushing his Vietnam War duty. Later he shaped his Democratic National Convention themes around his war “heroism.”

He began his convention speech by announcing: “I’m John Kerry ? reporting for duty.”

In short, Kerry dared voters to judge him by his Vietnam experience.

  • When the Swift-boat vets’ ads began airing, Kerry escalated further, demanding that they be removed. He challenged President Bush to force the vets to stand down ? and accused the vets of doing Bush’s “dirty work.”

  • Kerry also allowed one of his defenders, Washington lawyer Lanny Davis, to go on TV and antagonize the Swifties further still.

But that attack backfired big-time by enraging a retired rear admiral, William L. Schachte Jr. ? a lieutenant on Kerry’s boat when the candidate allegedly received the wound that led to his first Purple Heart.

Schachte told Post columnist Robert Novak that he had wanted to remain uninvolved, but was moved by Davis to correct the record: Kerry, said Schachte, “nicked himself with a [grenade launcher]” and then “requested a Purple Heart.”

Schachte’s statements lends credibility to the Swift-boat vets’ version and put Kerry on the defensive yet again.

  • Kerry’s campaign Web site brags that he received a “Silver Star with combat V.” Yet Thomas Lipscomb, writing in The Chicago Sun-Times, quotes a Navy spokesman disputing that: “The Navy has never issued a ‘combat V’ to anyone for a Silver Star.”

Adds Lipscomb: “Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a ‘combat V’ for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star ‘combat V,’ either.”

That was the citation that Lehman disavowed Friday: “The language it contains was not written by me.”

Kerry’s poll numbers are now falling. For the first time this year, a Los Angeles Times poll, released at week’s end, showed Bush leading, 50-47. Another L.A. Times poll showed Bush moving ahead in “battleground” states.

The numbers show serious damage to Kerry, particularly in the area of character. A month ago, Kerry and Bush were tied on honesty and integrity; Bush now leads, 46-39.

The Times poll also showed that the fraction of voters who feel that Kerry’s Vietnam experience demonstrates the qualities America needs in a president dropped from 58 percent in June to 48 percent now.

Kerry can rail all he wants about the unfairness of criticism by the Swift boat veterans. But to see who is ultimately responsible for this controversy, Kerry should look in the mirror.

The single best, and most balanced, look at the available facts thus far - and yes, it is from a conservative journalist - Byron York of The National Review. However, read it for yourself - he did a much better job of presenting the issues than did the NYT (the Washington Post, however, acquitted itself well). The structure of the article goes from the strongest claims to the weakest (author’s thesis):

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In Vietnam
BYRON YORK

Last May, when the newly formed group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth first spoke to the press about John Kerry, the men ? mostly Kerry’s fellow officers from the four months he skippered a Navy Swift boat in Vietnam ? seemed divided on the issue of Kerry’s war record. Some questioned the medals he was awarded. Others had no desire to cast doubt on his service. But all agreed on one thing: that Kerry had betrayed them when, upon returning from Vietnam, he characterized the American military ? and, by extension, the Swift boat veterans themselves ? as having committed widespread atrocities in Southeast Asia.

That was then. After their opening news conference, the veterans ? most of whom had not seen one another in 35 years ? began talking among themselves about their memories of Kerry. They read Douglas Brinkley’s hagiographic war biography, Tour of Duty, and found descriptions of events they didn’t recognize. They compared notes. And their point of view changed. They came to question what Kerry had done, not just after leaving Vietnam, but while he was serving alongside them. In particular, they came to question some of the cornerstones of Kerry’s Vietnam record, the engagements in which he won the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. The result of that questioning was a book, Unfit for Command, written by the group’s main spokesman, John O’Neill.

Going public was, in some ways, an audacious decision. Kerry has citations for his medals that commend, among other qualities, his “gallantry and intrepidity” in battle, along with his “extraordinary daring and personal courage” (to quote the citation from his Silver Star). How could O’Neill and the Swift boat veterans challenge that?

Head on. Unfit for Command charges, for example, that the Silver Star was “arranged to boost the morale” of Kerry’s unit and was “based on false and incomplete information provided by Kerry himself.” The Bronze Star was “a complete fraud.” And two ? perhaps even all three ? of Kerry’s Purple Hearts resulted from minor, accidental, “self-inflicted” wounds that did not merit recognition.

The Swift boat vets also challenged other aspects of Kerry’s Vietnam history. They questioned his oft-repeated ? and sometimes extravagantly detailed ? accounts of spending Christmas 1968 in Cambodia, at a time when the U.S. government was denying there were any American forces in that country. And they focused an intense spotlight on Kerry’s anti-war activities, in particular his testimony before Congress in 1971.

Unfit for Command, and a series of television ads made from it, have scored some direct hits. But O’Neill and the Swift boat veterans have also missed their mark on occasion, giving the Kerry campaign an opening to claim that everything they say is untrue. In the end, however, when all the claims and counterclaims are balanced against one another, it seems clear that the veterans, relying mostly on their own eyewitness experiences, have raised some valid ? and serious ? questions about John Kerry’s four months in Vietnam.

CHRISTMAS IN CAMBODIA
Perhaps the most direct challenge the Swift boat vets have made to Kerry’s credibility focuses on his account of spending December 24 and 25, 1968, on board his Swift boat, PCF-44, in Cambodia. It’s a story Kerry has told many times. In a March 1986 Senate speech, he said that spending the holiday in Cambodia, under fire from Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge guerrillas, was “a memory which is seared ? seared ? in me.”

In June 1992, Kerry said to the Associated Press, “We were told, ‘Just go up there and do your patrol.’ Everybody was over there [in Cambodia]. Nobody thought twice about it.” He told the story again in September 1997 before a subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And in a June 2003 profile in the Washington Post, Kerry revealed that he kept an old camouflage hat ? “my good luck hat” ? which he said was “given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia.”

But it appears there is no evidence that Kerry actually spent Christmas in Cambodia. Steven Gardner, who served on board Kerry’s boat in December 1968, as well as part of January 1969, told National Review that at the time, in the area in which Kerry and his crew were operating, it was not possible to take a Swift boat to Cambodia. “It was physically, totally, categorically, across-the-board impossible to get into the canal that went to Cambodia with a Swift boat,” Gardner says. “There were concrete pilings that were put in the water . . . plus, the Navy kept patrol boats there to make sure nobody went in.”

Gardner, a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is quite open about his opposition to Kerry. But Kerry’s supporters aren’t much help, either. James Wasser, who was also on Kerry’s boat at the time, told the Boston Globe that he did not think the boat went into Cambodia, although it came “very, very close.” Another pro-Kerry crewmate, Michael Medeiros, told the paper he didn’t remember going into Cambodia with Kerry, either. In fact, none of the so-called “band of brothers” came forward to say that he had been with Kerry in Cambodia.

Faced with the evidence, the campaign began to backtrack. Spokesman Michael Meehan issued a statement saying Kerry had been “on patrol in the watery borders between Vietnam and Cambodia.” Meehan also said that on one occasion Kerry “crossed into Cambodia at the request of members of a special-operations group.” But the campaign did not produce evidence of Kerry’s mission, and it seems beyond dispute that, even if Kerry can show that he crossed the border once, he certainly did not do so at Christmas 1968, as his dramatic accounts claimed.

THE FIRST PURPLE HEART
Another area in which the Swift boat veterans have raised fundamental questions concerns the first of Kerry’s three Purple Hearts. On December 2, 1968, newly arrived in Vietnam, the future senator volunteered to undertake a nighttime mission on a small “skimmer” craft north of Cam Ranh. Kerry and the others in his boat saw a group of sampans being unloaded on the beach. They set off an illumination flare to get a better look. Something happened ? it’s not clear what, although there’s no indication that anyone in the sampans opened fire ? and Kerry began shooting. During the firing, “a stinging piece of heat socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell,” according to Kerry’s recollection in Tour of Duty.

A few hours later, upon his return, Kerry went to the medical facility at Cam Ranh Bay. “He told me that he had received small-arms fire from shore,” Louis Letson, the Navy doctor who saw Kerry that day, told National Review. But Letson says Kerry’s wound did not come from a bullet but was instead a bit of shrapnel of unknown origin.

“What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry’s arm,” Letson recorded in a written account detailing his encounter with Kerry. “The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter.” Letson said he used forceps to remove the piece of metal, which had penetrated no more than 3 or 4 mm into the skin. “It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound,” Letson wrote. “The wound was covered with a bandaid.”

Letson also said that at least one of Kerry’s crewmates “confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks. That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.” (Letson told National Review that he remembered Kerry’s case so well in part because “some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts.”)

When Letson first went public with his account, the Kerry campaign suggested that he had not been present at Cam Ranh Bay and was not even a medical doctor. In a letter threatening television-station managers who ran the first Swift boat ad, Kerry’s lawyers wrote, “The ‘doctor’ who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry’s and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry’s sick-call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry’s sick-call sheet.”

But it turned out Kerry’s lawyers were wrong. The sheet was signed not by another doctor but by Letson’s assistant, J. C. Carreon, who is no longer alive. And the sick-call sheet’s description of Kerry’s wound, while very brief, is entirely consistent with Letson’s recollections. It reads, in full: “Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. Shrapnel removed and appl bacitracin dressing. Ret to Duty.”

Beyond the question of the severity of Kerry’s wound, or whether it came from enemy fire, the Swift boat vets raised the issue of whether it was an appropriate occasion for the awarding of a Purple Heart. That issue is important because this Purple Heart, along with the two others Kerry won later, allowed him to leave Vietnam before his normal tour of duty was finished.

Not long after seeing Letson, Kerry went to his commanding officer, Grant Hibbard, to apply for the medal. “He had this little piece of shrapnel in his hand,” Hibbard recalled in Unfit for Command. “It was tiny . . . I told Kerry to ‘forget it.’” But some time later ? Hibbard says he does not know how ? Kerry was awarded the medal.

It’s not clear how the approval procedures worked in this case, but the gap in time between Kerry’s wound and the awarding of his Purple Heart seems to indicate that there was some sort of snag in the process. According to records released by the campaign, Kerry was formally awarded the Purple Heart on February 28, 1969 ? 88 days after he was originally wounded. In the case of his second Purple Heart, Kerry was wounded on February 20, 1969, and was formally awarded the medal on March 5 ? a processing period of 13 days. For the third, Kerry was wounded on March 13, 1969, and was formally awarded the medal on April 17 ? a span of 35 days.

The dates come from the citations for each medal, which Kerry has posted on his campaign website. There is likely more paperwork involving the Purple Hearts in Kerry’s records, and some of it might shed more light on what happened, and perhaps on why the first Purple Heart took longer to approve, but so far Kerry has not authorized public release of the records.

THE RASSMANN INCIDENT
No event plays a larger role in Kerry’s Vietnam epic than the March 13, 1969, engagement in which Kerry pulled Army Green Beret Jim Rassmann from the Bay Hap River. Rassmann, who has become an active surrogate speaker for Kerry on the campaign trail, says that he was on board Kerry’s boat that day, in a group of five Swift boats, when one of them, PCF-3, was rocked by a mine explosion. After that, Rassmann says, the entire group of boats came under heavy fire from both shores of the river. Then, according to Rassmann, there was another explosion, this one near Kerry’s boat, which threw Rassmann overboard. Rassmann dove underwater to avoid both the gunfire and the propellers of the Swift boats; when he came up for air, he says, all the boats had left. But there was still shooting. With bullets whizzing around him, Rassmann dove again, and again. Then he saw Kerry’s boat coming back to get him. “John, already wounded by the explosion that threw me off his boat, came out onto the bow, exposing himself to the fire directed at us from the jungle, and pulled me aboard,” Rassmann wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

When the Swift boat veterans got together to talk about the incident, they found they had very different memories. Jack Chenoweth and Larry Thurlow, who were young lieutenants in command of the two boats immediately behind PCF-3, found that while they recalled the first mine explosion very well, they did not remember any second explosion at all. And they did not remember any gunfire coming at their boats from the banks. “There was no hostile fire,” Chenoweth told National Review. “The only thing that happened that day was the mine.”

What they did remember was that, immediately after the explosion, their boats began firing at the banks. That was standard procedure; when the mine went off about 20 yards in front of them, their first assumption was that it was the beginning of an attack from the banks. So the lieutenants ordered their men to begin firing at the banks to stop any assault before it started.

“I just started hosing down the beach area with about 300 or 400 rounds of ammunition,” Van Odell, the gunner’s mate on Chenoweth’s boat, told National Review. “I was firing in bursts. I stopped, and there was no tracer fire coming in, no buzzing around my head, no bullets hitting our boat.”

With no hostile fire coming in, Chenoweth, Thurlow, and Odell say they stopped shooting and concentrated their efforts on helping the wounded men aboard PCF-3. All three remember that after the explosion, Kerry’s boat, PCF-94, moved away from the scene. It is not clear to them whether Rassmann ended up in the water as a result of Kerry’s boat’s accelerating or for some other reason. In any event, Chenoweth says he was about to pick up Rassmann ? was just a few yards away from him ? when Kerry returned and pulled Rassmann out of the water.

The medal citations for Kerry and for Thurlow (who, like Kerry, won a Bronze Star for his actions that day) say that everyone was working under enemy small-arms and automatic-weapons fire. But the Swift boat veterans have raised at least some doubt about that. For example, in addition to their personal recollections, they say that there were no bullet holes in the boats, indicating a lack of hostile fire. While that is not entirely accurate ? records indicate that there were three bullet holes in Thurlow’s boat, at least one of which he attributes to an earlier engagement ? it does suggest that the boats were not significantly shot up in the incident. Compare that with another ambush, shortly before Kerry took command of PCF-94, in which the boat was riddled with about 100 bullets.

In the end, no one disputes that Kerry did in fact pick up Rassmann. And it’s possible that some of the differences in the stories can be attributed to the fog of war. For example, by all accounts, there was chaos after the mine went off under PCF-3. Somehow Rassmann fell into the water. At the same time, he heard heavy gunfire. From his perspective, it might have been reasonable to believe there was a firefight going on. On the other hand, perhaps it is possible that the Swift boats did actually receive some light fire from the bank during the time they were “hosing down” the area, although no one was hit.

In any case, the Swift boat veterans’ account of the Rassmann incident casts Kerry’s actions in a somewhat less heroic light than, say, the legend-building presentation at the Democratic convention. But it is simply not an open-and-shut case on either side, and, barring some future revelation that could change the story entirely, it seems likely that it will remain in dispute.

THE SILVER STAR AND MORE PURPLE HEARTS
When first faced with the Swift boat veterans’ accusations, the Kerry campaign lashed out in what proved to be a vain attempt to stop the controversy before it started. They claimed, for example, that none of the Swift boat group had served with John Kerry. “Not one of those people served on the boat,” spokesman Meehan told National Review. “They’re not fellow officers. They weren’t on Kerry’s boat.” The Swift boat vets no more served with John Kerry, Meehan explained, than anybody else who might have been in the Navy hundreds of miles away. “There were a lot of people in the United States military from 1966 to 1970,” he said.

That didn’t work. Of course the Swift boat veterans served with Kerry. They went out on operations with him ? both the actions in which Kerry received the Silver Star and the Bronze Star involved more than one Swift boat. They bunked with him (and Steven Gardner did, in fact, serve on Kerry’s boat). They were there, and, regardless of what one might think about their views, they have more than sufficient standing to talk about John Kerry.

On the other hand, some of their criticism of Kerry has fallen short. They suggest, for example, that Kerry’s second Purple Heart was, like the first, accidentally self-inflicted. It happened on February 20, 1969, when Kerry was on a mission in the Cua Lon River: Suddenly, the boat was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, and Kerry suffered a shrapnel wound in his left leg. One member of the Swift boat veterans was on another boat during that mission and suggests there was no hostile fire, but there appears to be no reasonable scenario under which Kerry’s wound could have been self-inflicted. And there is evidence that Kerry’s wound, while not serious enough to keep him away from duty, was more substantial than the wound for which he was awarded his first Purple Heart.

The Swift boat vets also criticize Kerry’s third Purple Heart, the one awarded after the Rassmann incident. Kerry suffered two wounds that day, one a shrapnel wound to the buttocks and another an injury to his arm. Both Tour of Duty and the Swift boat veterans’ accounts say that Kerry was hit by shrapnel when he dropped a grenade in a bin of rice, an action that was part of a general policy to deplete supplies for the Viet Cong. “I got a piece of small grenade in my ass from one of the rice-bin explosions,” Kerry said in Tour of Duty. Later in the day, during the Rassmann incident, Kerry is said to have hurt his arm in the (disputed) explosion near his boat after the mining of PCF-3. While the rice-bin wound seems clearly accidental, there also seems no doubt that any injury Kerry suffered in the wake of the mining was the result of a hostile enemy action.

Perhaps the weakest case made by the Swift boat vets concerns the action in which Kerry won the Silver Star. That occurred on February 28, 1969, when Kerry famously beached his Swift boat, jumped onto land, and chased and killed a Viet Cong guerrilla who had fired a rocket at the boat. The Swift boat veterans suggest that Kerry’s action was not only not heroic, but reckless and dangerous. They also suggest that the guerrilla was a teenager, clad only in a loincloth, who was fleeing when Kerry killed him. And they suggest that there was some sort of official interference in the awarding of the medal that resulted in the Silver Star’s being awarded with suspicious haste.

But officials considered the recklessness of Kerry’s actions when they awarded him the medal ? something that commanding officer George Elliott, now a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has said on a number of occasions. On the lone-guerrilla issue, crewmates who were there at the time have recollections that conflict with the version of the story in Unfit for Command. “Number one, it was a man,” Fred Short, who was on board Kerry’s boat and now supports Kerry’s candidacy, told National Review. “And if it was just one guy, he was real good, 'cause he fired about four or five rocket-propelled grenades at once.” That testimony is supported by the account of William Rood, who commanded the other Swift boat in the action and believes there were other guerrillas firing at the Americans. And unlike the Rassmann incident, the Swift boat vets have not been able to produce eyewitnesses to challenge that version of events. As for the haste with which the medal was awarded, it is simply not clear what happened ? perhaps more could be learned from the records that Kerry has not yet released.

Finally, the Swift boat veterans are caught in a difficult argument over the Silver Star. They say they are not condemning Kerry’s killing of the young guerrilla, only the fact that he received such a prestigious decoration for it. But in Unfit for Command, O’Neill writes that Elliott, when he approved the medal, did not realize that Kerry “was facing a single, wounded young Viet Cong fleeing in a loincloth,” which suggests that Kerry acted improperly.

But imagine reading an account today of a young U.S. Army officer, patrolling the outskirts of Baghdad, who comes under attack from an insurgent with a rocket launcher. The officer orders his men to pursue the shooter ? and takes the lead in the pursuit. He finds and kills the insurgent, who is still carrying the rocket launcher. Since the insurgent had already fired on U.S. troops, and since the insurgent was still armed, how many Americans would question the officer’s conduct? Probably not many (and, in one of the many ironies of this case, the people angered by the incident would likely be Kerry supporters).

THE UNSPOKEN CODE
Bill Shumadine remembers John Kerry well. From June 1968 until June 1969, Shumadine was a young Navy lieutenant in command of a Swift boat in Kerry’s unit. Kerry often kept to himself, Shumadine told National Review, but at times, he opened up, talking about his ambitions and his political role model, John F. Kennedy.

“We’d be sitting around and he’d talk about his destiny,” Shumadine says. “He was telling us, ‘I’ve got the same initials as JFK, I went to an Ivy League college, we’re both from the same region, he got his start in public by being a hero on a small craft . . . .’” Kerry seemed especially interested in winning medals, Shumadine remembers. At times Shumadine and some of the other Swift boat lieutenants believed that Kerry was in Vietnam, at least in part, “to get his medals and get out of there.”

Now, 35 years later, Shumadine is part of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. And what seems clear from all the questions that he and his colleagues have raised is that Kerry did more than perhaps exaggerate aspects of his Vietnam service. Rather, Kerry ? an exceedingly ambitious young man with a penchant for self-promotion ? violated an unspoken code by which the Swift boat sailors operated. Under that code ? the code of can-do military men ? you’re not supposed to make movies of yourself, as Kerry did, to illustrate your heroism. (Even a fellow veteran on Kerry’s side, Thomas Vallely, once told the Boston Globe that “John was thinking Camelot when he shot that film, absolutely.”) Under the code, you’re not supposed to exaggerate your actions in after-action write-ups, as the Swift boat veterans believe Kerry did, or to leave your command early, as Kerry also did. And under the code, you are not supposed to apply for a Purple Heart for a wound that required a dab of bacitracin and a Band-Aid.

Of course, Kerry was entitled, under the military’s regulations, to ask for that Purple Heart. And he didn’t give himself the other medals, either; the Navy approved each one. But the way he operated, taking advantage of the full measure of the rules to compile a politically appealing r?sum?, diminished some of those accomplishments, at least in the eyes of many of his fellow Swift boat sailors. They didn’t like it then, and they don’t like it now.

Hahahaha. What a weak ass closing! Does anybody say we shouldn’t take full advantage of tax laws so as to pay as little tax as possible? Kerry would have been stupid not to take full advantage of the rules of the situation. I don’t see an issue unless he actually broke the rules.

John O’Neill says Kerry was never in Cambodia, and O’Neill also now says he was never in Cambodia either.

But in 1971 John O’Neill told President Nixon that he had been in Cambodia during the war. It’s on the record, as Nixon taped all of his conversations in the Oval Office.

So which time was John O’Neill lying? When he spoke to President Nixon in a face-to-face meeting in the White House?

Or now, when he’s trying to prevent his rival from becoming president?

[quote]vroom wrote:
But the way he operated, taking advantage of the full measure of the rules…

Hahahaha. What a weak ass closing! Does anybody say we shouldn’t take full advantage of tax laws so as to pay as little tax as possible? Kerry would have been stupid not to take full advantage of the rules of the situation. I don’t see an issue unless he actually broke the rules.[/quote]

I don’t either.

[Addendum] I suppose I should add some color. I posted this article precisely because it gave a balanced view of the facts available thusfar, and I generally agree with the author’s interpretation on the factual disputes - Cambodia issue seems Kerry was lying; Purple hearts are somewhat muddled; Bronze Star and Silver Star cut for Kerry, with Silver Star being the strongest.

However, I will also add that I think it’s fair to assume from Kerry’s refusal to release his medical records and journals (a weaker case for the journals, I admit - but not a nonexistant case) that the information withheld casts him in a negative light. I base this assumption on the presumption that Kerry would not hesitate to release positive information, which I think is a fair presumption.

Now, barring some bizarre shifts in policies or some new factual info coming to light, I’m voting for Bush - not based on this stuff, but on policy issues. So, perhaps my interpretation of how this cuts is different than it would be for someone undecided person. However, if one is to believe the recent polls and interpret the Kerry team reaction, this stuff is raising questions in the minds of some of those voters. Personally, I think the questions raised are only marginally related to Vietnam, and have more to do with the reinforcing questions people had about Kerry’s leadership and the seeming political opportunism in his policy stances.

[quote]Lumpy wrote:
John O’Neill says Kerry was never in Cambodia, and O’Neill also now says he was never in Cambodia either.

But in 1971 John O’Neill told President Nixon that he had been in Cambodia during the war. It’s on the record, as Nixon taped all of his conversations in the Oval Office.

So which time was John O’Neill lying? When he spoke to President Nixon in a face-to-face meeting in the White House?

Or now, when he’s trying to prevent his rival from becoming president?[/quote]

Lumpy –

You’re a bit late jumping to the plate with this one – it came out last week. John O’Neill addressed it in the online Q&A he did with the Washington Post last week, which I posted above. O’Neill has said he was misquoted because the quote was taken out of context, and it is explained by his very next sentence, which is omitted by those making the accusation.

This has basically been examined and dismissed as a non-issue already, which is why you don’t see the Kerry campaign or the media harping about it.

Interesting. What are the odds Kerry takes them up on it? I’d say slim, but who knows what the political calculation would be.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131019,00.html

Veterans Group Sends Challenge to Kerry
Tuesday, August 31, 2004

NEW YORK ? The organization Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (search) says it will stop its television advertising if John Kerry (search) admits his misstatements about his war record and apologizes for 1971 testimony in which he called his fellow sailors in Vietnam criminals.

In a letter that was en route to the Kerry-Edwards headquarters on Tuesday afternoon, veteran Greg Mueller, president of the Northern Virginia-based Creative Response Concepts (search), wrote that SBVT encourages the Democratic presidential candidate “to use this opportunity to clarify your actions in Vietnam and your statements about your fellow veterans and shipmates when you returned home.”

He also urged Kerry to apologize to veterans for accusations against them that had “no basis in fact.”

“Your exaggerated testimony before the U.S. Senate; the blanket indictment of your fellow veterans; throwing away medals and ribbons; all of these actions dishonored America and the armed forces. Your rhetoric and actions were not only wrong, they aided the enemy and brought great pain to POWs, veterans and their families,” Mueller wrote.

In April 1971, Kerry testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations – which the Swift Boat Veterans have excerpted and played in some of their ads. In the testimony, Kerry said veterans with whom he met in Detroit had claimed responsibility for a variety of atrocities against the Vietnamese people during the war.

“They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country,” he said.

During this era, Kerry also attended a protest at which time he threw over a fence ribbons he had been awarded and medals belonging to other soldiers. Much later, Kerry claimed he had spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia, helping to conduct a secret war. Kerry has since said that he was mistaken in his recollections and was on a river near Cambodia (search), not actually in the country.

Those two issues and a third have fueled the SBVT campaign as well as sales of the book “Unfit for Command” by SBVT founder and longtime Kerry critic John O’Neill. In the book, O’Neill brings up the Cambodia claims and questions whether the March 13, 1969, incident in which Kerry earned the Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart in four months, which qualified him to be removed from combat, really happened the way Kerry has described.

"You have now described three different versions of this incident. In the first version of this incident presented during the Democrat National Convention, you stated: ‘No man left behind,’ suggesting to the American people that you alone stayed on the river to rescue Mr. Rassmann.

"Later, when forced to acknowledge conflicting eyewitness testimony from fellow Swift Boat Veterans, you said that your boat left the scene to return moments later to retrieve Jim Rassmann from the water. Yet, in another version of the same incident discovered in the Congressional Record, you reported that your boat struck a mine and Rassmann fell off the boat.

“Mr. Kerry, please explain to your fellow veterans and the American people which version is the truth,” Mueller wrote.

Prior to the letter’s transmission, the Kerry campaign returned fire against earlier attacks by the Swift Boat Veterans.

Calling the group the “Smear Boat Veterans,” the Kerry campaign cited news articles suggesting that the Bush-Cheney campaign was helping the group. The campaign also said Bush senior political adviser Karl Rove had instigated a scene during the Republican National Convention on Monday night in which delegates wore purple bandages, claiming to have been scratched by discarded Purple Hearts.

?By refusing to specifically condemn this smear, George W. Bush is insulting the military service not only of John Kerry but all veterans who have served this nation. President Bush could stop this smear right now. Yet he still refuses to heed" the call of Arizona Sen. John McCain, a Vietnam POW and Kerry supporter who has called the ads “garbage,” Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton said.

Saying that the Swift Boat Veterans wanted to close their personal chapters on Vietnam and “instead focus on the war we’re currently fighting,” Mueller said his group would be forced to carry on if Kerry did not respond to their demands.

“In the absence of full public disclosure and a public apology, we will continue efforts to carry our message to an ever-expanding base of grassroots supporters,” Mueller wrote.

FOX News’ Major Garrett contributed to this report.

[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Look at www.FactCheck.org, they will tell you the “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” are full of shit.[/quote]

Lumpy, I disagree with you politically, but am glad to see you suggesting this site. Allows you to cut through the BS doesn’t it!

Final word on Kerry: He’s a douche bag. RLTW

rangertab75

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_08_29_archive.html#109409200462012856

Spinning swift boat vets as Bush surrogates (9/1)

By Ben Fritz

Reporters and pundits keep going beyond the evidence to blur the lines between the Bush campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that has been critical of John Kerry’s Vietnam war record.

While news outlets including the New York Times have documented various connections between Bush and the so-called 527 group, there’s no evidence that the President is behind the ads. But as Columbia Journalism Review’s Campaign Desk weblog showed recently,
http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000842.asp
reporters have often written news articles based on the presumption of a connection, writing only that the two groups claim to be separate.

Since then, many liberal pundits have implied a direct connection between the Bush campaign and the independent group. Filmmaker Michael Moore went the furthest in a recent open letter to the President. http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17557
In it, he repeatedly attributed accusations made by SBVFT to Bush. “And thanks, also, Mr. Bush,” he says in one such accusation, "for exposing the fact that Mr. Kerry might have actually WOUNDED HIMSELF in order to get those shiny medals.

More common than such outright conflation are accusations that the SBWFT are “surrogates” of the Bush campaign. The word implies evidence that the SBVFT are working on behalf of or as substitutes for the President, but pundits often aren?t demonstrating that.

For instance, Atlanta Journal-Constitution editorial page editor and syndicated columnist Cynthia Tucker said of the Swift Boat Vets, “Bush’s surrogates lie to tarnish Kerry’s medals.” http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17564
Other pundits who have referred to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as Bush campaign “surrogates” are Hearst Newspapers reporter and columnist Helen Thomas http://www.channelcincinnati.com/helenthomas/3683912/detail.html
and New Jersey Star-Ledger national political correspondent John Farmer. http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/farmer/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1093235444283140.xml

Disturbingly, this spin mirrors the Kerry campaign’s line on the Swift Boat Vets. The Democratic presidential candidate has called the group a “front for the Bush campaign.” Business & Financial News, U.S & International Breaking News | Reuters
Other Democrats have directly referred to them as Bush “surrogates.” MSN

Surely pundits and reporters should present some evidence before repeating unproven political claims as fact.