if he puts his hands on your mother in front of you, and you dont do anything, you’re a punk. Protect your family but do it the right way. File a protective order, and make sure your mom cuts him off completely financially. There are plenty of social services out there he can find and work to get away from that garbage.
There’s nothing more satisfying than putting someone to sleep via blood choke (no sense in breaking your hands on the d00ds face). BJJ is for everyone, body builders too.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Belligerent,
I completely empathize with your position on this subject, but you really need to consider a few things first:
You need to check the laws regarding family violence where you live, as well as the laws regarding force to defend a third party (your mother). In many states (Texas being one), police officers MUST make an arrest in a case of family violence. There is little-to-no officer discretion on the issue. The aggressor MUST be placed under arrest.
You may find that if you start fighting him, and he is high on meth, you may have to kill him to get him to stop. Or, you may kill him unintentionally. Is that something you can live with? Are you prepared to defend your decision in court?
If it comes to a trial, you need to make sure that discussions about this prior to the incident (like the one we’re having now) don’t fall into the hands of a prosecutor…cos you’re bordering on pre-meditation here, and will have a harder time claiming self-defense if it were to get into the wrong hands.
Just some stuff to think about. Again, I empathize with your situation. Best of luck.
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good advice here…also the mention fo the restraining/no-contact order.
an issue with heavy drug users that law enforcement has been dealing with for a while, is that they’ll fight like crazy until you get them cuffed, restrained, and think they’re calmed down. next thing that happens is respitory failure…
meth/coke addicts typically have this issue the most, but they will fight until they die. the excess levels of dopamine/adrenaline keep them from feeling pain, and when they come down, their blood sugar is nuts, their HR and bllod pressure is out of control, and who knows what kind of injuries they’ve sustained…
i absolutely hate dealing with these people, and don’t really mind having to konock them around every once in a while, but realize that pain compliance simply does not work. depending on the bender they’ve been on, logic and reason will prolly not work either.
i’d suggest in investing in an overall crime-prevention strategy (locks, lights, etc) and try to get him clean.
good luck.
I learned from some sort of instructional video back in the 80s that a guy on PCP could put his fist through a car windshield, break every bone in his hand and not feel it for hours.
I think it was hosted by Lance Henriksen.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I learned from some sort of instructional video back in the 80s that a guy on PCP could put his fist through a car windshield, break every bone in his hand and not feel it for hours.
I think it was hosted by Lance Henriksen.[/quote]
Not sure about that but I know lots of drunks guys that fucked an ugly or fat chick and not know it or regret it until the next day!
[quote]Nards wrote:
I learned from some sort of instructional video back in the 80s that a guy on PCP could put his fist through a car windshield, break every bone in his hand and not feel it for hours.
I think it was hosted by Lance Henriksen.[/quote]
No that was Terminator
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
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I think your point about pain is the only thing Coop got wrong in his post.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I think your point about pain is the only thing Coop got wrong in his post.
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I think you need to reread it, because his point about pain, “not putting up much of a fight,” and being able to incapacitate a meth user easily are all not true.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I think your point about pain is the only thing Coop got wrong in his post.
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I think you need to reread it, because his point about pain, “not putting up much of a fight,” and being able to incapacitate a meth user easily are all not true.
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Also, I’m not including PCP in this discussion. PCP deserves a category all by itself. But as someone who dabbled in meh years ago and as someone who has been around a lot of hardcore users, this thing about being impervious to pain is pure bullshit. Also, you can incapacitate someone w/o inflicting pain on them with a simple chokehold. Meth does not help fight the effects of hypoxia in the brain.
I would think the secret would be to get high on meth yourself. That way, it’s a fair fight.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.[/quote]
I would think it would make someone more prone to try to use a weapon, more prone to bite and groin strike, etc. If it lowers your inhibitions, then wouldn’t it also lower your inhibitions towards violence? It wouldn’t make you a more coordinated fighter, but it could make you a more vicious, violent one. Therefore, better.
I’m just spitballing here. I have no experience with meth.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.[/quote]
I would think it would make someone more prone to try to use a weapon, more prone to bite and groin strike, etc. If it lowers your inhibitions, then wouldn’t it also lower your inhibitions towards violence? It wouldn’t make you a more coordinated fighter, but it could make you a more vicious, violent one. Therefore, better.
I’m just spitballing here. I have no experience with meth.[/quote]
Fuckers can’t fight back if you bite out their trachea!!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.[/quote]
Well, I’d argue strongly that an opponent lacking inhibitions is a more dangerous opponent. Most sober people in a fight have some level of inhibition. The lack of inhibition will certainly make someone a greater threat and if they are a greater threat, they are in essence a “better fighter” - maybe not a better technical fighter, but we’re not judging a figure skating contest or judging a kings rules boxing match either 
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.[/quote]
Well, I’d argue strongly that an opponent lacking inhibitions is a more dangerous opponent. Most sober people in a fight have some level of inhibition. The lack of inhibition will certainly make someone a greater threat and if they are a greater threat, they are in essence a “better fighter” - maybe not a better technical fighter, but we’re not judging a figure skating contest or judging a kings rules boxing match either :)[/quote]
That’s what I was thinking. A normal, sane person wouldn’t try to shove their thumbs in someone’s eyeballs until they can’t go any deeper, for example. If you remove that kind of inhibition, it changes the game.
Find out where your sibling gets his shit, call the cops when he’s there and pray he gets arrested. It’s something i’ve thought about doing several times for a family member in a similar situation.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
Find out where your sibling gets his shit, call the cops when he’s there and pray he gets arrested. It’s something i’ve thought about doing several times for a family member in a similar situation. [/quote]
So, let me quarterback this thing here. <scratching head, reading your post, furrowing brow, reading your post again, blinking, reading it again, face palm, begin to type reply>.
You’re advocating SNITCHING on a family member rather than get them help? And who said all you have in this world is family?? With family like you, I’d rather the company of my enemies - at least I know they intend me harm.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Fighting a methhead is no different than fighting anyone else. There seems to be some myth about drugs, alcohol and our abilities to fight. In a non-sanctioned, all-out street fight (assuming no weapons are involved, which is admittedly a large assumption to make) clearly the goal is to end the threat to your safety that your opponent represents. This can entail many things, ranging from a well-placed punch to death. Chances are, if you’re in a fight with a meth freak, he/she has attacked you and you need to ncapacitate this person.
A meth head can be incapacitated just as easily as anyone else. Meth does not give you super-strength, it does not make you impervious to pain and it does not make you a “better fighter”. Nobody does ANYTHING better under the influence of drugs or alcohol than they do sober, in regards to physical activity.
I used to run with some big-time drug abusers back in the day, and I can tell you this about meth heads: most of them are skinny as shit, weak and in a constant state of disassociation from reality that it is nearly impossible for them to collect themselves long enough to actually put up much of a fight.[/quote]
I highly suggest that you too read “Meditations On Violence.”
If alcohol makes you feel less pain (and it does) some drugs eliminate it altogether. You can shoot, stab, and mace the shit out of people on certain drugs and they will keep coming.
This post is incorrect, and you’re making many, many generalizations that aren’t true in real life.
[/quote]
I understand your point. But there is a huge difference in increasing your ability to fight and your ability to feel pain. My argument is that meth (or any other controlled substance) does not make anyone a better fighter, only a better receiver of pain. I also understand that the two go hand in hand to a certain extent. But my point is that there is nothing about meth or any other drug that makes that person any more dangerous if a fight is already inevitable anyways.
This is based on the assumption that you are prepared to incapacitate this person in the interest of self-defense. Basically, if you are prepared to subdue someone, it is may be a little more difficult to subdue someone who doesn’t feel pain or has lowered inhibitions, but it will not make them attack you with any increased effectiveness or efficiency. People on meth get choked out just like people who are sober. That’s the point I’m trying to make.[/quote]
I would think it would make someone more prone to try to use a weapon, more prone to bite and groin strike, etc. If it lowers your inhibitions, then wouldn’t it also lower your inhibitions towards violence? It wouldn’t make you a more coordinated fighter, but it could make you a more vicious, violent one. Therefore, better.
I’m just spitballing here. I have no experience with meth.[/quote]
if I were in a fight right now, regardless of who I am fighting, I would definitely use kicks to the groin, jabs to the throat and/or eyes, I would try to cave your knees in and I would use any and all weaponry available to me. You never know in a fight, so I employ the Bas Rutten technique: anything goes.
But that is w/o being under the influence of meth. So, really meth would just make me a worse fighter because although my general goal of maiming my opponent is still there, my coordination is lowered and although my pain threshold MAY be higher (I’ve never experienced anything firsthand to indicate that this a likelihood), I am not a better fighter.
