Fighting Over Stuff You Know

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Never Underestimate the Power of Human Stupidity !

The perversity of the Universe tends towards the extremes.[/quote]

“Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I’m not sure about the universe.”
–Einstein

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
This isn’t a fight or argument type of situation, but I’ve thought about it for several days. A friend posted this FB status, “I have sooo many things I am going to let go of, try and change about myself, and move forward when the New Year comes. I am not going to say new years resolution because I will not break this step forward in my life.”

She’s not asking for advice, but I I hate to see someone all full of good intentions, and IMO, on the road to failure. - “Hey, I’m going to be a whole new person next year!” Do you Ignore? Give a thumbs up? Or do you try to tell someone to start with just a couple of small changes NOW.

I don’t know why it bothered me so much.

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Maybe because someone who really wants to change and is full of hope and whatnot is an entirely different animal than your average bullshitter and you want to see them succeed.

Maybe the hope that someone is that way is making you want to believe it.

Now, if they go about it all wrong, suddenly its no reason for glee.

Having said that…

Facebook etiquette?

Fuck that noise.

[quote]optheta wrote:
Just try to be everybody’s bro. Who gives a fuck what shit they spout and ultimately I’ll say (in regards to BB) everybody body different and this works best for me. [/quote]

x2

About my comment, thanks for your thoughts above.

Yes, I think it’s because I know she will fail.

<--------- Pessimistic Buzzkill.

I’ve just NEVER heard a successful person talk like that.

For every really dramatic success story, there are lots of people who think about it every single day, but can’t seem to figure out how to make it happen.

Most of us here can relate to working toward body composition or fat loss goals over a period of years, and realize that nothing good comes out of those kind of emotional statements.

I don’t know what kind of change she’s talking about, but in my experience, it’s all about sustainable effort over time, and very specific incremental steps. Even then, it’s extremely HARD to change. I think that might be why it bothered me so much. I think A LOT about personal change. Regardless of what it I’m working toward, chronic failure/ falling off the wagon/ starting over AGAIN/ can really mess with my happiness.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

…Anyway, one of my ears is a little messed-up looking from the bomb that killed my wife. I hear fine, mind you, but it looks plausible that I might be deaf.

I pretended to be very hard of hearing and had the guy screaming his opinions at the top of his lungs, while I kept saying “what” “what did you say?”[/quote]

I didn’t know this. Jewbacca, how old were you when you immigrated? You’ve mentioned serving in the Israeli military and being married with kids, but I didn’t realized you lost your wife as a young man. I’m profoundly sorry to hear it.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
In my book arguing about stuff you know is manshit 101. More often than not someone is just trying to converse about some common ground, and on the off chance that they aren’t I just let them bloviate. Once they’re finished and feel secure that they have told you something that you really needed to know they usually just wander away feeling better about themselves.

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I have mastered the art of silence, I let people wax on and say nothing.

You get strange looks when they wander off. [/quote]

That strategy comes with some risk though. I’ve been mistaken for having something wrong with me because I don’t usually engage in those conversations. On the odd chance that I do though, I’ll just wait for an arbitrary point to interject- “You don’t know what you are talking about.”. That will always get a response cuz thems fightin words. As they continue I’ll throw in an “I can’t believe you just said that!” or an “Oh for fucks sake, man…” just to keep things interesting.

I’ve brought a couple of guys to the point of throwing down over trucks and welding machines with simple statements like those.

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I’ll keep this in mind when we meet up.

;-)[/quote]

If I start to pontificate about which chainsaw is superior to another for what purpose then please, by all means, throw a “FFS, man!” my way.

I work with a guy like that. We live in the same town so he feels we have some sort of a kinship. He’s famous for horning in conversations with other people and gets real adamant about making his point. I’m to the point where I avoid him if at all possible and have noticed that others do the same.

Rob

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
“So how’s that working out for you?”

S[/quote]

Bingo. Use this all the time. Often people talking horseshit will deflate right there and then.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
In my book arguing about stuff you know is manshit 101. More often than not someone is just trying to converse about some common ground, and on the off chance that they aren’t I just let them bloviate. Once they’re finished and feel secure that they have told you something that you really needed to know they usually just wander away feeling better about themselves.

[/quote]
I have mastered the art of silence, I let people wax on and say nothing.

You get strange looks when they wander off. [/quote]

That strategy comes with some risk though. I’ve been mistaken for having something wrong with me because I don’t usually engage in those conversations. On the odd chance that I do though, I’ll just wait for an arbitrary point to interject- “You don’t know what you are talking about.”. That will always get a response cuz thems fightin words. As they continue I’ll throw in an “I can’t believe you just said that!” or an “Oh for fucks sake, man…” just to keep things interesting.

I’ve brought a couple of guys to the point of throwing down over trucks and welding machines with simple statements like those.

[/quote]

I’ll keep this in mind when we meet up.

;-)[/quote]

If I start to pontificate about which chainsaw is superior to another for what purpose then please, by all means, throw a “FFS, man!” my way.
[/quote]

If I did, it would be due to being either bored silly, or crazy impressed.

I know less than NOTHING about that kind of stuff.

Now if the conversation happens to turn to the appropriate use of the passive verb tense as keigo…[/quote]

What about the appropriate keigo construction to use while cutting someone with a chainsaw?

“Kore kara ha, watakushi ga chenso de anata-sama wo kirasete itadaite orimasu.”

Would that be polite enough?

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
In my book arguing about stuff you know is manshit 101. More often than not someone is just trying to converse about some common ground, and on the off chance that they aren’t I just let them bloviate. Once they’re finished and feel secure that they have told you something that you really needed to know they usually just wander away feeling better about themselves.

[/quote]
I have mastered the art of silence, I let people wax on and say nothing.

You get strange looks when they wander off. [/quote]

That strategy comes with some risk though. I’ve been mistaken for having something wrong with me because I don’t usually engage in those conversations. On the odd chance that I do though, I’ll just wait for an arbitrary point to interject- “You don’t know what you are talking about.”. That will always get a response cuz thems fightin words. As they continue I’ll throw in an “I can’t believe you just said that!” or an “Oh for fucks sake, man…” just to keep things interesting.

I’ve brought a couple of guys to the point of throwing down over trucks and welding machines with simple statements like those.

[/quote]

I’ll keep this in mind when we meet up.

;-)[/quote]

If I start to pontificate about which chainsaw is superior to another for what purpose then please, by all means, throw a “FFS, man!” my way.
[/quote]

If I did, it would be due to being either bored silly, or crazy impressed.

I know less than NOTHING about that kind of stuff.

Now if the conversation happens to turn to the appropriate use of the passive verb tense as keigo…[/quote]

What about the appropriate keigo construction to use while cutting someone with a chainsaw?

“Kore kara ha, watakushi ga chenso de anata-sama wo kirasete itadaite orimasu.”

Would that be polite enough?
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You’re a fucking nut, Varq!

I’d have to go with “Gomeiwaku de nakereba, mamonaku watakushi ga chenso wo tsukawasete, otaku wo kirasete itadakimasu.”[/quote]

That was my first choice. :stuck_out_tongue:

The “gomeiwaku de nakereba” was a masterful touch. I approve.

Shit, you can tell I’ve been out of Japan for too long. My keigo is about as rusty as the chain on a 1964 McCulloch 250.

[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
“So how’s that working out for you?”

S[/quote]

Bingo. Use this all the time. Often people talking horseshit will deflate right there and then.[/quote]

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I hate to make it sound insulting, but especially when people are discussing how they’re going about losing weight, and everyone around them can see that it’s not working, what else can you say?

I have a cousin who is always going on about what she’s currently doing to get in shape. Now I love my cousin dearly, but her physique never seems to change, and I can see her make all the ‘wrong’ choices when our families have holiday meals together. She also famously sat at the table with me (2x Natural Pro Bodybuilder), my wife (Natural figure competitor), and my youngest brother (Natural Pro and DPT, CSCS), and argue about how we need to not eat so many pickles because all the salt they contain makes them fattening… What the hell is there to say really? So I always hit her with the “How’s that working out?” line.

In reference to an earlier question (sorry, forgot who asked), do I think my presence makes people want to discuss fitness matters? Man, I hope not. I don’t usually discuss training and nutrition unless it’s actually relevant to what’s being discussed, not my bringing it up. I guess there are some people who may be a bit threatened by me, and need to assert their own knowledge… actually, when I started teaching at a different high school than I’m currently at, there was one phys ed teacher who was always sporting the sleeveless shirts and shorts to show off his physique.

Now, I can admit that the guy was in really good shape. Heck, he was in his 50’s and looked better than most guys in their 20’s. Of course the fact that once the kids got a load of me, he had to deal with all sorts of crap about how the new Art teacher was bigger than he was.

Every morning, I had to hear from him (we’d usually get to work at the same time) about how he had gotten up early, ran x many miles, did 5000 pushups, or whatever the hell he had done. All I ever said in reply was along the lines of “wow, that’s really impressive. I know that I couldn’t do that. You’re definitely a great source of inspiration to a lot of people at this school.”

I figured that was the best way to handle things.

S

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

…Anyway, one of my ears is a little messed-up looking from the bomb that killed my wife. I hear fine, mind you, but it looks plausible that I might be deaf.

I pretended to be very hard of hearing and had the guy screaming his opinions at the top of his lungs, while I kept saying “what” “what did you say?”[/quote]

I didn’t know this. Jewbacca, how old were you when you immigrated? You’ve mentioned serving in the Israeli military and being married with kids, but I didn’t realized you lost your wife as a young man. I’m profoundly sorry to hear it.
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I haven’t immigrated. My parents obtained USA citizenship and were careful not to renounce it so I have USA and Israeli citizenship, even though I am a Sabra Israeli.

I’ve been in the USA on-and-off my whole adult life: college, law school, work. Most recently, I’ve opted to be in the USA because the new Mrs. Jewbacca in an OB/GYN and provides certain reconstructive surgeries to women from Islamic countries.

Politically, it’s just easier for the women to travel to the USA than go see a doctor in Israel, since the countries in question won’t permit their citizens to travel to Israel.

Home in Israel was a little town known as Gush Katif, which got destroyed, making me more than a little pissed off, so it was best I was abroad, anyway.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
All I ever said in reply was along the lines of “wow, that’s really impressive. I know that I couldn’t do that. You’re definitely a great source of inspiration to a lot of people at this school.”

I figured that was the best way to handle things.

S[/quote]

Kill em with kindness.

It drives people crazy, especially when they want a confrontation.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

…Anyway, one of my ears is a little messed-up looking from the bomb that killed my wife. I hear fine, mind you, but it looks plausible that I might be deaf.

I pretended to be very hard of hearing and had the guy screaming his opinions at the top of his lungs, while I kept saying “what” “what did you say?”[/quote]

I didn’t know this. Jewbacca, how old were you when you immigrated? You’ve mentioned serving in the Israeli military and being married with kids, but I didn’t realized you lost your wife as a young man. I’m profoundly sorry to hear it.
[/quote]

I haven’t immigrated. My parents obtained USA citizenship and were careful not to renounce it so I have USA and Israeli citizenship, even though I am a Sabra Israeli.

I’ve been in the USA on-and-off my whole adult life: college, law school, work. Most recently, I’ve opted to be in the USA because the new Mrs. Jewbacca in an OB/GYN and provides certain reconstructive surgeries to women from Islamic countries.

Politically, it’s just easier for the women to travel to the USA than go see a doctor in Israel, since the countries in question won’t permit their citizens to travel to Israel.

Home in Israel was a little town known as Gush Katif, which got destroyed, making me more than a little pissed off, so it was best I was abroad, anyway.[/quote]

Got it. You’ve talked a lot about the US, so I assumed. Very cool about your wife’s work. I’ve often thought I would have loved to be an OB/GYN. Not to get too off topic, but our pediatric dentist is Israeli and just a great guy. He is quite religious and politically conservative. We have a lot in common in terms of values and political views.

When he realized I was raised LDS, we immediately had a certain kinship. He said a couple of his roommates in college were LDS, and he found out that we were extremely similar in many ways. Nice. Most of my other Jewish friends here in SoCal are much more secular and tend to be politically quite liberal, so this was really interesting for me.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I’ve often thought I would have loved to be an OB/GYN.[/quote]

Yup…not sure which direction to go with this one…but…yup…