[quote]Stuey wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Scrappy wrote:
Yeah I really think boxing, wrestling, judo, bjj, thai boxing…though many critics scoff at their ‘rules’ and say they won’t work in the ‘street’, really work.
People live in a false world where they think going all “crazy” on a guy will do anything to a trained athlete. A boxer would pick their face apart, and a judo guy would have them on the ground so fast that the “crazy” guy will be lucky if he doesn’t get a concussion.
Plus, untrained people who fight are spent after 30 seconds. They blow they adrenaline load and start to quiver. It’s really funny, as sometimes they lose such control over their emotions they literally start crying.
I’ll pick the guy who in competition has looked across from someone who wants to do him serious harm over the “crazy” man unconstrained by rules. People who have never competed don’t get how each competition trains the competitor to be totally in control of his emotions and body while under stress.
Fighting on the street is like anything else: Preparation helps. You can’t expect to give a great speech before a large crowd if you just “wing” the speech. You need to do some public speaking and practice your speech and learn how to control your breath. Likewise, you can’t expect to win a fight against someone who has trained for such situations and is in total control over his body.
But I am preaching to the choir. Those not in the “choir” know in their hearts they would inflict massive damage on someone who, over the course of several years, has spent several hours a week training how to fight because; well, fuck it, they would go crazy in a fight!
Good post.
An untrained person that does not fight regularly usually falls to pieces the first time they get punched in the nose and their eyes well up with tears. A trained fighter has been through this and knows how to deal with being hit and staying cool, this alone puts them way ahead of the untrained fighter.
Add the fact that they have trained in the techniques and can probably throw a decent punch with power, or pick them up and dump them on their head and my money is on the trained fighter every time.
The adrenaline dump is also true, I remember the first time I got in a boxing ring with my trainer to spar. He beat the shit out of me and it was all I could do to cover up.
After about one minute I was a quivering wreck, could barely lift my arms, felt sick and had tears streaming down my face. I would not want to have that happen to me when I was facing someone who really wanted to hurt me.
I also had about 30-40lbs of muscle on him, so being bigger didn’t help me much!
If I had to choose a style, I’d choose a boxer every time.
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being bigger really doesn’t mean shit. as long as you are strong enough to do what you need to do (hit hard, lift your opponent et cetera) you are strong and big enough, even if he is bigger.
as long as you have the skill and experience to do what needs to be done you will be able to impose your will. of course being stronger would make it easier, but again, as long as you are strong enough, you are golden.
when i was on the wrestling team, coach put us up against people many weight classes heavier so we could improve our functional strength (that dirty phrase so many t nationers hate). i usually beat most of them but i had more experience too.
i had been in clubs as a younger kid and many of them had only started in high school or were football players staying in shape.
though bigger and stronger, they sucked.
hell, there was a kid that weighed 122 lbs. during football season, the team would come heckle us at practice. the little guy asked a linemen to a match.
when it was over, the lineman had been slammed twice (a double leg take down and a head and arm)his lip was fat and his nose bloody from cross faces. the little guy put him in a windmill and pinned him too. it was hilarious and the football guy was obviously pissed and embarrassed. he easily weighed 250.
i used to get in lots of bar fights. i’ve definately lost my share, but i’ve also beaten dudes bigger. the easiest way to do it is to just go at them. tackle them, use a wrestling take down or what have you, then pick their head up and punch it back down. most floors are pretty hard and if you just attack them fast enough you can hurt them enough from the get go to determine the rest of the fight. unless they have wrestled they can’t stop you. they expect a square up, punch exchanges or maybe a sloppy tackle and floor tussle.
they don’t expect to be bowled over, to have their head lifted before they get their bearings and then to have a fist smash their face followed by a floor cracking the back of their heads almost simultaneously. and what they don’t expect is where it’s at.
as long as you are strong enough to take them down and know how to follow up, you have a fighting chance.
“hard core” body builders would contest this though.