Feminization of Men

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Closet homos and haters, the lot of you. Get with the times already.

What do you mean by “Get with the times”?[/quote]

You know. Go with the flow. Do as the mass media tells you to.

Today that would mean being very very careful of not offending anyone with anything you might do or say. This includes being interpreted as offensive.

In Nazi Germany it would have meant snitching on the Jew you know is living in your neighbors attic.

So don’t bother to think, just get with the times!

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I hate the way the average douchebag has ruined the mirror for me. I had always viewed it as a tool; one for keeping track of ones progress but also as a nice way to keep an eye on your form in particular lifts.

Recently, I had attempted the gironda swings. It was a first thus I was doing in front of mirror to insure that I was ok technique wise. This guy walks by me and looks at me like he caught me masturbating…I don’t generally care what others think…but I hate to be lumped into the “douchebag working out in front of mirror” category.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
oboffill wrote:
This is such an easy concept to grasp, I wonder why you continuously postulate that serious lifters lift to combat insecurities. Are you projecting, perhaps?
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If you’re going to sit there on your computer and deny the fact that 90% of us have “body issues” and thus workout and eat to resolve them, then you’re living in Wonderland. I don’t have to hide the fact that I’m insecure about my looks. Some of you already carry a descent build and may or may not have this problem, but, judging from the pictures many post up on here, many of us are still working to look descent.

[quote]Good post. I lift weights because I alone enjoy the effects. There are bonuses to looking the way I do and negatives, just like with anything else in life. There are enough bonuses for me to continue doing it and my main motivation is not trying to impress women even though attention is appreciated. I seriously doubt anyone who ONLY lifts to impress the opposite sex will even stick with this long term. Wouldn’t that same person quit the moment they actually get a girl?

I look in the mirror when I lift to see my progress. It has little to do with primping and everything to do with measuring how far I’ve come and where I need to go from here. It is pretty sad that some people ON THIS SITE would see someone with that type of motivation and come up with several negative reasons for why they are who they are. It also speaks loudly that “oboffill” may be everything he is trying to label others as being.

So why would someone like that even be on this site?[/quote]

I’m on this site because I like lifting weights and debating various topics. I understand you’d be more comfortable for everyone to see things the way you see them, but opposing viewpoints are always a good way to keep things in perspective, I think.

Oh, by the way, I lift weights for the sole purpose of looking good and attracting females. Hate me.

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I look in the mirror during workout to check my form. I look in the mirror when I get home to get a glimpse of what I’ll hopefully look like a few months down the road.

What separates us from the guidos is that they’re always turned to one side so they can see their biceps.

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Not like i’m an expert (only 22 years old) but my philosophy is that men should be hard, and women soft. That’s how i like it, and play it. But i feel that all this feminisation (emo culture, if you know what that is, makes me sick) came about because a good deal of men/boys i knew growing up learned how to be men from each other, or women. No relevant males (old grandads are good, but how is he gonna teach you to fight, get pussy etc? It’s hard).

Like in fight club ‘we’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really what we need’.

Personally i think i’m ready for a Hobbesian state of nature, not that it’ll happen. Is that a standard for men?

excellent thread by the way

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Not like i’m an expert (only 22 years old) but my philosophy is that men should be hard, and women soft. That’s how i like it, and play it. But i feel that all this feminisation (emo culture, if you know what that is, makes me sick) came about because a good deal of men/boys i knew growing up learned how to be men from each other, or women. No relevant males (old grandads are good, but how is he gonna teach you to fight, get pussy etc? It’s hard).

Like in fight club ‘we’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really what we need’.

Personally i think i’m ready for a Hobbesian state of nature, not that it’ll happen. Is that a standard for men?

excellent thread by the way[/quote]

The view of the traditional male role in society is adapting to the wealth, convenience, and flow of information in our society - thus allowing men act with more compassion, more ‘emo’ if you will.

Hopefully, these external forces will have an effect on those who govern our world and that crazy thing we call “world peace” may someday be realized.

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[quote]oboffill wrote:

I’m on this site because I like lifting weights and debating various topics. I understand you’d be more comfortable for everyone to see things the way you see them, but opposing viewpoints are always a good way to keep things in perspective, I think.

[/quote]

If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t have raised so much of an issue because someone had an “opposing viewpoint” to your own.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Not like i’m an expert (only 22 years old) but my philosophy is that men should be hard, and women soft. That’s how i like it, and play it. But i feel that all this feminisation (emo culture, if you know what that is, makes me sick) came about because a good deal of men/boys i knew growing up learned how to be men from each other, or women. No relevant males (old grandads are good, but how is he gonna teach you to fight, get pussy etc? It’s hard).

Like in fight club ‘we’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really what we need’.

Personally i think i’m ready for a Hobbesian state of nature, not that it’ll happen. Is that a standard for men?

excellent thread by the way[/quote]

Personally, I agree with whomever posted that metro is the “in” thing for lots of guys right now.

Being a “metrosexual” isn’t about being feminine per se, it’s about following the the fashionable fad.

Let’s take a beloved tough-guy character like The Fonz. If he were real (the “character” not Henry Winkler) and “lived” today, he’d totally be metro (carefully styled hair, the fashionable jeans and jacket worn just-so). He was all about maintaining The Look (whatever it was).

Just about every actor (even the tough guys) wear make-up… even during interviews and during photoshoots.

It’s incidental feminization as far as certain gender-associated traits go (e.g. make-up, manicures, etc).

Back in the day, it was fashionable for men to wear heels, hose, make-up and powered wigs (hell, George Washington wore one).

I don’t like the trend, but to each their own. As for the “hotti” guys in the photo… if their goal is to score babes and they succeed (shades of the Hot Babes with Douche Bags thread)… then I guess that they’re, somehow, doing something right (no matter how wrong it otherwise seems).

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I wear lip stick and five different shades of blush depending on how flushed I am, or the weather for the day, or what color shirt I’m wearing. Just because I get my hair permed and get my underwear from Victoria Secret doesn’t make me any less of a man.

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[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:

Personally, I agree with whomever posted that metro is the “in” thing for lots of guys right now.

Being a “metrosexual” isn’t about being feminine per se, it’s about following the the fashionable fad. [/quote]

I also agree that it is the “in” thing. And it’s not just the U.S. either. I was in a mall in southern Texas last week. A lot of rich Tamaulipans cross over to shop. (Side note: I have never seen such a concentration of beautiful women in one place in my life! I think I impregnated 300 of them with the power of thought.) What I also saw was the highest concentration of Metros I have ever seen. Hundreds of them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oboffill wrote:

I’m on this site because I like lifting weights and debating various topics. I understand you’d be more comfortable for everyone to see things the way you see them, but opposing viewpoints are always a good way to keep things in perspective, I think.

If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t have raised so much of an issue because someone had an “opposing viewpoint” to your own.[/quote]

Are you saying that if I believed opposing viewpoints were good, then I’d shut the hell up?

Sorry, try again.

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[quote]oboffill wrote:
The view of the traditional male role in society is adapting to the wealth, convenience, and flow of information in our society - thus allowing men act with more compassion, more ‘emo’ if you will. [/quote]

If adaptation is part of the equation then the equation itself cannot be a constant. You’re once again displaying a lack of logical thinking.

The second fallacy is in the mistaken belief that there’s a correlation between compassion and “emo” behaviour. Quite the opposite.

Errors like these, along with your continued insistence on narcissism being the root of weightlifting, tell me two things:

  1. that you’re either still very young and very inexperienced, or older but extremely shallow and self-absorbed

  2. that you’re likely seeking external justification for unspoken issues you’re still wrestling with.

Either is fine in and of themselves, but the innate arrogance and aggressiveness with which you display these failings serves only to hamstring any legitimate points you may make in the process of finger-pointing.

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[quote]oboffill wrote:
Professor X wrote:
oboffill wrote:

I’m on this site because I like lifting weights and debating various topics. I understand you’d be more comfortable for everyone to see things the way you see them, but opposing viewpoints are always a good way to keep things in perspective, I think.

If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t have raised so much of an issue because someone had an “opposing viewpoint” to your own.

Are you saying that if I believed opposing viewpoints were good, then I’d shut the hell up?

Sorry, try again. [/quote]

I think he’s pointing out the fact that your statements when placed against your reactions aren’t matching up. You say you’re in favor of dissent, your reactions say that’s true, unless they dissent from your oppinion.

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[quote]Northcott wrote:
oboffill wrote:
The view of the traditional male role in society is adapting to the wealth, convenience, and flow of information in our society - thus allowing men act with more compassion, more ‘emo’ if you will.

If adaptation is part of the equation then the equation itself cannot be a constant. You’re once again displaying a lack of logical thinking.

The second fallacy is in the mistaken belief that there’s a correlation between compassion and “emo” behaviour. Quite the opposite.

Errors like these, along with your continued insistence on narcissism being the root of weightlifting, tell me two things:

  1. that you’re either still very young and very inexperienced, or older but extremely shallow and self-absorbed

  2. that you’re likely seeking external justification for unspoken issues you’re still wrestling with.

Either is fine in and of themselves, but the innate arrogance and aggressiveness with which you display these failings serves only to hamstring any legitimate points you may make in the process of finger-pointing.
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WOW!!! That was pleasant to read. And I re-read it aloud it flowed off the tongue. NICE!

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ive worked as a actor and also did modelling for many many years. i have met van dame, jackie chan, colin farrel, steven segal, wwe wrestlers, etc. But i have never met stalone but have acquintances that have. they told me stalone has a way to big ego and if you look him in the eye your fired. he thinks he is god. yet is such a tiny tiny man. actually most hollywood stars are tiny.

the camera makes everyone look bigger. and they deliberately only cast co stars that are NEVER taller. i could never be photographed right next to them as then would look like children. the only acception was steven segal how in the last movie i was in he looked to be about 6’ 5" but grossly overweight perhaps 280 lbs.

its funny it can go either way some of the stars are just regular non ego guys like van dam where as others can be just the opposite. even in the wrestling movie i was in amongst wwe wrestlers kane was just a regular guy while i wont mention this ones name (he is actually not in the main line up now) but in the one stunt where one of us trainers was to be thrown to the ground in case of roid rage and then steped on the chest with his large boots.

well the trainers did have a concealed plastic protection. well the wrestlers was so uncooridinated he missed and steped on his neck very hard. he did not even apologise and my friend who was a trainer had a very hard time to drink water or eat for 3 days. but was ok in the end.

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[quote]oboffill wrote:
Professor X wrote:
oboffill wrote:

I’m on this site because I like lifting weights and debating various topics. I understand you’d be more comfortable for everyone to see things the way you see them, but opposing viewpoints are always a good way to keep things in perspective, I think.

If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t have raised so much of an issue because someone had an “opposing viewpoint” to your own.

Are you saying that if I believed opposing viewpoints were good, then I’d shut the hell up?

Sorry, try again. [/quote]

while i personally believe any emotion is only a weakness and just gets in the way of thinking clearly.

but i agree with you this is a forum all views should be heard regardless. zero censorship i hope for. but even T-Mag at times does censor. actually now that i lived a more than few years other opinions over the years have modified my own opinions. not necessarily everyones but defenitely some peoples. while part of that steemed from i had just never really expeienced enough to know.

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[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
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Let’s take a beloved tough-guy character like The Fonz. If he were real (the “character” not Henry Winkler) and “lived” today, he’d totally be metro …
[/quote]

He would beat your ass for just thinking such blasphemy.

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[quote]Northcott wrote:
oboffill wrote:
The view of the traditional male role in society is adapting to the wealth, convenience, and flow of information in our society - thus allowing men act with more compassion, more ‘emo’ if you will.

If adaptation is part of the equation then the equation itself cannot be a constant. You’re once again displaying a lack of logical thinking.

The second fallacy is in the mistaken belief that there’s a correlation between compassion and “emo” behaviour. Quite the opposite.

Errors like these, along with your continued insistence on narcissism being the root of weightlifting, tell me two things:

  1. that you’re either still very young and very inexperienced, or older but extremely shallow and self-absorbed

  2. that you’re likely seeking external justification for unspoken issues you’re still wrestling with.

Either is fine in and of themselves, but the innate arrogance and aggressiveness with which you display these failings serves only to hamstring any legitimate points you may make in the process of finger-pointing.
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Let me say that I’m more interested in people being true to themselves than feeling good about myself because joe cornbread replied with “I agree with oboffill” (not that it ever happens, haha). You all can go to hell for all I care, as long as it’s what you really want.

[Generalizing here]
When someone (or an entire board) tells me that they bust their ass in the gym and don’t care what they look like and that these guido guys are feminine because they care about looks, then their next post is of some 80’s bodybuilder dressed in lycra spandex I think, “Hmmm…someone is being dishonest.”

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[quote]jii wrote:
while i personally believe any emotion is only a weakness and just gets in the way of thinking clearly.[/quote]

Were it the 19th century (Industrial Revolution), most people would agree with you. Nowadays, emotions are so much apart of decision making and the way we communicate. Denying your emotions is to deny humanity. Not a good idea.

I’ve often said that this site has been (for better or for worse) my greatest teacher.

The censorship that goes on here probably applies to ignorant statements that we could all do without. The mods certainly don’t censor stupid comments (trust me, I know, lol).

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[quote]oboffill wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
Not like i’m an expert (only 22 years old) but my philosophy is that men should be hard, and women soft. That’s how i like it, and play it. But i feel that all this feminisation (emo culture, if you know what that is, makes me sick) came about because a good deal of men/boys i knew growing up learned how to be men from each other, or women. No relevant males (old grandads are good, but how is he gonna teach you to fight, get pussy etc? It’s hard).

Like in fight club ‘we’re a generation of men raised by women. I’m wondering if another woman is really what we need’.

Personally i think i’m ready for a Hobbesian state of nature, not that it’ll happen. Is that a standard for men?

excellent thread by the way

The view of the traditional male role in society is adapting to the wealth, convenience, and flow of information in our society - thus allowing men act with more compassion, more ‘emo’ if you will.

Hopefully, these external forces will have an effect on those who govern our world and that crazy thing we call “world peace” may someday be realized. [/quote]

World peace?? thats cute but your not being judged on your humanitarianism here.
Anyone see the movie Equilibrium for example??

The only way to stop war, misunderstanding, and disagreement is to completely subdue all human emotion. That sounds really neat doesnt it! Human nature lives off conflict so I hope you’re not holding your breath for world peace…