Feminization of Men

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[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
As far as not contributing, I spent a month in a housing project repairing roofs and hanging drywall, not as a job, but because I wanted to give something back.[/quote]

This is completely off topic, but it is something that really irritates me. And it’s not directed entirely at fightingtiger, but his quote is somewhat applicable.

I really hate when people brag about, or feel the need to mention what they have done to “give back.” I mean, it’s nice that they have done it, but it’s disrespectful to those you have given to. And I have been one that was given to.

When I was a child, over half of our belongings were donations. Volunteer carpenters replaced our windows one winter. A group of catholic school kids painted most of the houses on my block. And so on. It was appreciated and it was a nice gesture, but that’s all it was – a gesture. A good deed.

There was an air of smugness whenever volunteers were around. I never felt so low as I did when strangers were coming in and out of my shit-hole home.

I’m sure most of them had good hearts and only meant well, but it’s hard to feel good about yourself in that situation. Now, that I’m older I hate to hear people talk about the volunteering that they have done. Some even brag about it.

If someone wants to help other less forunate, great. Do it and move on. Don’t dwell on it, don’t brag, and don’t act like that was your good deed. Just do it and go back about your separate lives. The people that have lived it and grew up in poverty offer help because they have to. Because their uncle or their grandmother or their sister needs it. It’s not a kind gesture, it’s just what needs to be done.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m just bitter. Maybe this post doesn’t even make sense. If that’s the case, I apologize.

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
PaulR wrote:
a lot of good points brought up. As far as a large war, the military has a lot going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. The army could use the help, but I don’t think that metrosexuals would do very well with a draft. We really don’t need that many more dead Americans.

And being in the military I already have enough experience dealing with these guys who are afraid to get a little dirt on their hands. Too afraid to actually do some work. And yes, I am posting this from Iraq. As far as saying that boys and girls are born the same. That isn’t really true. I was just reading an article on this website the other day that said baby boys 4-6 months old have spikes in their testosterone levels similar to that of a male during puberty. It said this was for the masculinazation of the brain. I think I would still call a 6 month old a baby.

Men and women took on different roles in history, because that was a requirement for the species to survive. Men and women are very different, and not just because of nurture. You can nurture a man into being a fag, but it is a lot easier to teach them to be a man.

I am tired of how our society wants to glamourize being a fag/metro. It is absolutely discusting.

College kids really do think they know a lot. Too much theory and not enough experience. This metro (vulcan) needs to leave his American Eagle friends alone and see what real men do. Go hang out with some blue collar guys who actually work. Leave planet fitness and workout at a real gym. Just try to get a grip on reality. I know you are surrounded by metros all day. But, the world doesn’t need any more fags/metros. That is why we have women. Women get there eyebrows waxed, not men.

It’s funny how often those that have no real stance or basis in fact resort to ad hominem (personal) attack. Frankly, I’m not a metro, and I hang out largely with weightlifters. None of us gives two shits about what brand of clothes we wear, nor do we go to Planet Fitness. As for blue collar, I spend my summers doing construction, drywall, stucco, and misc renovation. I know exactly what blue collar work is like, because I use the wages I earn from blue collar work to pay for my living expenses and tuition.

As for women being the ones to get eyebrows waxed, I would argue against their gender role too–Why the hell should they have to get them waxed just b/c they’re women?

Remove head from rectum, then type.[/quote]

Why do you try to sound so smart using latin and then to give the definition as to imply your the only metro-dork ever to take latin?
Heres a new latin quote for your vocabulary…Tacete femina-homo!(shut up girly-man!)

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
If you are in college yourself I hope you are studying for a more worthwhile degree that will actually do you and society some good.[/quote]

Chemical and Molecular Engineering. Makes the mills bills these days.

I think the difference between the sexes is that men like to conquer (over other people, a weight, a video game) and women like to maintain.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jjoseph_x wrote:
At the same time, just because someone’s in or just came out of college, it doesn’t mean that they don’t know anything or that their opinion matters less.

Yes it does mean that they know less. 99.9% of all learning in college is in vitro. It means nothing unless it is applied in vivo.

The fact that these guys get on here and brag about their college learning is proof positive that they know very little outside the petri dish that is college.

Why do you think docors have to spend so much time as interns? They don’t pass med school, and get handed a private practice.

Why does the AICPA require passing an exam as well as a minimum time in service before issuing people a license?

Because none of them know shit when the get out of school.They have to practice what they learned before they can be called a professional. Oh - they can read a book, and pass a test, but that is hardly the definition of education.

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Well it depends on what you’ve studied and what you’re doing.

Your own experience can, sometimes, be substituted for another’s in many cases (i.e. you learn from people who DO know what they’re talking about).

For example, if John Berardi was someone’s Professor, they’d probably end-up saying or believe a lot of what he does (the student might not have experience, but they are relying on that of their professor).

Of course that’s okay when your field is mostly theoretical… but not so much when it’s practical. For example: a doctor can’t say “In theory, that treatment shouldn’t have killed him. I know that he was turning blue for the past two weeks… but according to my book, he should have been fine!”.

Still there’s no denying there’s no substitute for experience. The other thing is realizing that your knowledge in a given subject is far from complete (even if you do have degree in the field).

Just because you studied something doesn’t make you a supreme authority on it (or even particular good at it).

Part of the problem with vulcan500rider’s post is that he doesn’t take genetics into account in his theory (look at lions - or any animal - there are clear gender roles without anyone telling them how they should be). He’s an English major so he isn’t going to look at the whole picture… maybe he’ll look at writing as a reflection of society in regards to gender… but he’s not looking at biology or genetics.

Gender roles in modern society are a slightly different matter, because technology and industrialization changes things… but the basic differences are still there.

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[quote]escot4 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
I heard Vin Diesel can beat up chuck norris and Mr T at the same time.

I was about to tell you how wrong you were… but you’ve probably already died a roundhouse kick related death by now. How dare you not capitalize the name of the good Chuck.[/quote]

Excuse me Escot4, think you may have made a spelling mistake, its the God Chuck.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
fightingtiger wrote:
As far as not contributing, I spent a month in a housing project repairing roofs and hanging drywall, not as a job, but because I wanted to give something back.

This is completely off topic, but it is something that really irritates me. And it’s not directed entirely at fightingtiger, but his quote is somewhat applicable.

I really hate when people brag about, or feel the need to mention what they have done to “give back.” I mean, it’s nice that they have done it, but it’s disrespectful to those you have given to. And I have been one that was given to.

When I was a child, over half of our belongings were donations. Volunteer carpenters replaced our windows one winter. A group of catholic school kids painted most of the houses on my block. And so on. It was appreciated and it was a nice gesture, but that’s all it was – a gesture. A good deed.

There was an air of smugness whenever volunteers were around. I never felt so low as I did when strangers were coming in and out of my shit-hole home.

I’m sure most of them had good hearts and only meant well, but it’s hard to feel good about yourself in that situation. Now, that I’m older I hate to hear people talk about the volunteering that they have done. Some even brag about it.

If someone wants to help other less forunate, great. Do it and move on. Don’t dwell on it, don’t brag, and don’t act like that was your good deed. Just do it and go back about your separate lives. The people that have lived it and grew up in poverty offer help because they have to. Because their uncle or their grandmother or their sister needs it. It’s not a kind gesture, it’s just what needs to be done.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m just bitter. Maybe this post doesn’t even make sense. If that’s the case, I apologize.[/quote]

This is an excellent post. You are absolutely justified in your anger.

Most charity organizations are self-serving.
Their ego demands they do “good deeds” unto others so they are always perceived as “good” and selfless. Self-sacrifice is their mantra so they can feel good about themselves for “saving” people.
Saving “you” means they are “great” which is selfishness through a selfless action; In that way selflessness is a means to an end ( to achieve greatness “status” ) not the end itself.
Basically, they are saving themselves through you.

“Where would you be without me?”

It’s arrogance at best.
It’s “loving thy self” concealed under the action of “loving thy neighbor”.

That is not to say there aren’t those who are genuine - the above is just a generalization and an illustration on how many things are done under the veneer of “love”.
As the words of the song goes:

“If it hurts, it ain’t love.”

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I’ll believe “traditional” men are back when men here stop cutting they eyebrows!

It is depressing…

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
I heard Vin Diesel can beat up chuck norris and Mr T at the same time.

I was about to tell you how wrong you were… but you’ve probably already died a roundhouse kick related death by now. How dare you not capitalize the name of the good Chuck.

Excuse me Escot4, think you may have made a spelling mistake, its the God Chuck.

[/quote]

<Grabs steering wheel of thread, yanks it hard to the right>

Happened to catch an old rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger on, of all things, The Hallmark Channel a few nights ago (wife’s channel choice). It was mid-way through the episode and Walker was in a coma. The nurse came in, rolled him over with one hand, and gave him a shot in the ass.

My wife remarked about how unlikely it was that a woman could turn a comatose man over with one hand and it looked like he was helping roll himself over.

In keeping with T-Nation mythos, I indignantly replied, “Honey, that’s Chuck Norris! He doesn’t need to be conscious for his muscles to work! What’s wrong with you?”

She said something like, “I don’t care, it looked like…”

I cut her off, “maybe you didn’t hear me. That’s [b]Chuck-fucking-Norris[/b]! He can kick most people’s asses while in a coma!”

Just then a flashback scene came on where Walker beats the crap out of a dozen street toughs in an alley bare-handed to save a cop who had gotten jumped.

I pointed to the screen, “HA! See??? No one can stop Chuck!”

My wife now thinks that I’m insane.

On a lighter note, the episode ended with Walker coming out of the coma and, in the final scene, working out with his partner on…

wait for it, wait for it…

The Total Gym! Obligatory zuba pants and Otomix were worn, of course.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Most of us here aren’t even discussing “great leaders in history” but the essence of manhood. Masculinity seems to be losing ground lately and some of you seem all too ready to offer it up in sacrifice to the burning vagina while dancing around in high heels and matching leather pants claiming that the rest of us should “get with the times”.

What is masculinity? What does it mean to be a man? Why does it matter?

Why do you care about the lifestyles of men who you will never associate with?

Why do you care that people don’t like the fact that acting “masculine” is now being seen as a negative? Any aggressive nature is now seen as “bad”. Even discussing maintaining male hormones into old age is being publically dissuaded as if it is a bad thing. This has nothing to do with random lifestyle choices when the trickle down effect actually has some effect on the rest of us. [/quote]

Would you please specify the effects that trickle down?

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You know, if everybody would just purchase a Total Gym, we wouldn’t even be talking about the feminization of men. It just wouldn’t exist. Instead, we would each be feeling an incredible pump in every muscle fiber of our bodies at the same time.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
bluepulse wrote:
Bring back the draft and rid ourselves of this “Pussification of America” I think every American male should at least complete Basic Training. You’ll learn survival, cpr,discipline,organization, and respect.

I don’t necessarily believe that. You don’t have to be in the military to be a real man.[/quote]

But it sure helps.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You kinda sound like you have mistaken being a dumbass for being a man.

Tear a quad, then sprint? That’s beyond dumbass - it’s just stupid. [/quote]

Ouch. But true.

There’s a difference between taking it like a man and purposely hurting yourself by being an idiot.

A HUGE difference. I don’t think you can see it though.

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I don’t agree that ‘emo culture’ (NOT synonymous with femininity, it’s the new ‘goth’ or ‘new romantic’) will lead to world peace. These kids are very pften self-absorbed, proud, depressed, confused, bitter and passive/lazy. This is how fucked up metrosexuality can get. This is just my perception, i worked in a bar and saw how they behave.

In my understanding, war happens because of causality just as much as spontaneous aggression. And ‘girly girls’ still fight. They just are shit at it, pulling hair…

Like prof x said, empathy is one thing. Acting feminine is another.

You take roids right rainjack? I’ve just looked back at this thread and a positive discussion has now gone intoo a pissing contest of one-upmanship. That’s the essence of man

Yo zap branigan, i read what you said, what do you think of this?
There are less and less jobs (i can’t find one, nor can lots of my friends) and women are increasing in the ‘alpha jobs’, like executives and stuff. That is very damaging to manliness, as a social trend right?

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I read TC’s ‘Man Rules’, that’s a fucking good article elaborating on ‘just be a man’. Thought it was relevant to this discussion

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[quote]oboffill wrote:

Would you please specify the effects that trickle down?[/quote]

1)I have given up walking into clothing stores. Period. I buy just about everything on line now unless I just happen to find some rare article of clothing that doesn’t look like my mom would look real pretty wearing it to church.

2)The onslaught of political nonsense regarding anabolics which translates into more physicians being afraid to actually treat decreased testosterone levels in men over 35. This is something that shouldn’t even be an issue, but add that to the “war on masculinity”. Unlike the “war on drugs”, they actually seem to be winning this one though.

  1. The discussion we even had on this site as far as gyms trying to get rid of anyone who actually looks like they lift weights seriously. Let’s not forget the corrections officer who was banned:
    http://columbiamissourian.com/news/story.php?ID=23099

Needless to say, being a pussy is having an affect on the lives of those who still appreciate their Y-Chromosome laden appendage whether you would like to admit it or not.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:

Yo zap branigan, i read what you said, what do you think of this?
There are less and less jobs (i can’t find one, nor can lots of my friends) and women are increasing in the ‘alpha jobs’, like executives and stuff. That is very damaging to manliness, as a social trend right? [/quote]

Lots of construction jobs out there that pay big money.

I know a guy that got paid $ 70 an hour for the 10 hours he worked the day after Thanksgiving. Of course he is skilled.

Remind me why I went to college.

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[quote]DtotheG wrote:

Chemical and Molecular Engineering. Makes the mills bills these days.

[/quote]

Chem E myself. If I had to do it over again I would do something different. Good luck.

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A year ago, I was hanging with friends playing HALO. Myself and a friend were the last two players alive in a death match, thus resolving in a one on one. He was standing on the ground while I circled, in a ship, shooting him. Enraged he demanded that I “Be a man” and fight him on the ground. I replyed with something along the lines of, “WTF does a video game have to do with being a man?” While he was at a loss for words I jumped from the ship, and killed him. Now you may think that his idea of being a man is a little silly, so isn’t it not possible that your own view of manliness is warped. Some in my opinion, have hit the nail on the head with your views, while others have displayed nothing more than ignorance and heinous hypocricy.

In closing, shouldn’t being a man be nothing more than being yourself?

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It damn sure Does have have trickle down effect.

First, like X has said many times about buying clothes on-line, I used to be able to find clothes that fit in big-name department stores like Macy’s etc.

Now it seems everything is made to fit teen girls, not adult males.

In the event I DO find clothes that fit, the style is decidedly feminine. I mean come on, do I really want to wear bell-bottom jeans, frayed just so at the bottom and really tight in the ass?

As an aside, the person who I refered to a looooong time ago in this thread was over last night. Eyebrows waxed to perfection (a GUY, mind you). WTF?

And don’t even get me started on camo stuff. Camo has been “in” for quite a while now I guess. It’s on everthing now, little girly tanktops, metro cut jeans, Chuck Taylors, fuzzy headbands. I hope that dies pretty quick. Take a “style” of clothing that dripped of manliness (Armed Forces) and slowly ruin it by turning it into a “fashion” fad.

The trickle down effect has left some of us without readily available clothes, trucks built on car platforms, workboots with “style”, jeans with built-in wear marks etc.

I just remembered how a guy I know bought workboots, took a 4" angle grinder and sanded off the leather on the steel toes just to make them look “broken in”.

Arrrrgggghhhhh!

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
The Total Gym! Obligatory zuba pants and Otomix were worn, of course.[/quote]

NOOOooo…!!!