Feminization of American Boys

I just read the entire post and have enjoyed it immensly. Alot of great stuff on these pages.

Now I would ask how and why do we have the situation to begin with? How have the feminists and others who would have our manhood taken from us gain so much ground?

Could it be that you and I as men are failing our youth? With so many single mothers, broken homes, children being born out of wedlock, etc. and with so much feminine nfluence and so very little male influence in our youngsters lives, it’s no wonder.

Oh, don’t make Johhny do that he’s not strong enough. Who’s teaching the kids that we don’t get strong to work hard, we work hard to get strong? There are so many not only feminized males but wayward youth with no direction at all.

Have we lost the art of “initiation into manhood”? Taking interest, teaching, mentoring our boys until that magical day when we say “I want you to run this job” or “grab a beer and pull up a chair because we need your opinion on this” or “you field dress this one”.

There are hundreds of societal issues that have led up to the point we’re at and we could go on for hours and hours talking about them.

There are still in our society plenty of well adjusted young men however, there are many more who swing to one side of the pendulum or the other. They either lay down and take a beating or they rage up and cause mayhem.

Having read all these posts, I’m convinced that each one of us is a well qualified man. Men among men. So how many of us are coaching teams, tutoring in the schools, showing interest in young men other than our own, participating in the big brother programs, Etc.,Etc.,Etc.,Etc.

We have given up ground, we are failing our youth, and it’s time to get involved and yes,I do some of these things to the best of my ability. Still, sometimes I feel like it’s not enough because someone must be teaching our boys and young men what it means to be a “fierce gentlemen”.

I don’t intend to sound holier than thou, these thoughts are what stuck in my mind as I read through so thanks for letting me rant a little.

Holmdog

[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
I read an article about this years ago, and have to agree 100%. I also experienced this phenomenon in school. I was punished for having too much energy or being a troublemaker when I couldn’t sit still through a 90 minute class.

The resonsibility is on all of us now, to change it so our sons won’t have the same problems that we do, and to give them a chance in the future. [/quote]

How exactly do you consider a lack of self-control enough to sit still through a class something ‘manly’ and somebody teaching you to concentrate somehow making you less masculine?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
My son told me this morning as I was dropping him off at school that he can’t get on the monkey bars anymore because the principal said they’re dangerous.

WTF? Are you even allowed to call yourself a kid if you don’t hit your head on the ground really hard after swinging on this things? I’m glad I grew up already. They let us actually run during recess without an accompanying ambulance.[/quote]

It’s hard to do so now with parents suing schools now for things people would have laughed at in the past. Blame it on those lawyers you see on TV that ask something like ‘Have you been injured recently? You maybe entitled to a lawsuit.’ and like minded individuals. ProfX, I’m sure as a doctor you are well aware of this, some lawyers these days have really gotten greedy.

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
My son told me this morning as I was dropping him off at school that he can’t get on the monkey bars anymore because the principal said they’re dangerous.

WTF? Are you even allowed to call yourself a kid if you don’t hit your head on the ground really hard after swinging on this things? I’m glad I grew up already. They let us actually run during recess without an accompanying ambulance.

It’s hard to do so now with parents suing schools now for things people would have laughed at in the past. Blame it on those lawyers you see on TV that ask something like ‘Have you been injured recently? You maybe entitled to a lawsuit.’ and like minded individuals. ProfX, I’m sure as a doctor you are well aware of this, some lawyers these days have really gotten greedy.[/quote]

I am aware of it, but personally haven’t had to deal with how bad it is getting. How much worse does it have to get before people in general recognize a problem? Imagine how many pussies will be walking the Earth 15 years from now after growing up protected from all bodily injury and stress. I just don’t like where we are headed and there aren’t enough people even noticing the problem. It is now acceptable to be obese, weak and asexual. Anyone who deviates from this is now seen as abnormal.

I didn’t think Australia was as bad as the US as far as feminization goes. But a female friend casually mentioned that she has male friends who wear make up. Can you fucking believe it? They aren’t emos or anything just ‘average’ guys who wear foundation and eye liner when they go out. What the fuck? I was shocked and horrified. What happened to men being men?

What precisely is the breadth of your experience?

What are the # of schools you’ve frequented, # of teachers you’ve had, # of administrators you knew and if you’ve taught in the past (I know you are not presently a teacher from past threads) pls list those experiences as well.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Experience. With a few exceptions, most teachers and administrators operate this way.

There is no grand conspiracy to “feminize” boys. The end result of making boys behave in a way that is easiest for the teachers is feminization.

If Teacher has a hangover, do you think she’s going to work extra hard to put up with Johnny’s antics, or do you think Johnny will have to be extra good to avoid pissing Teacher off?

Sonny S wrote:
Where are you getting this from?

nephorm wrote:
Schools are run for the convenience of teachers and administrators, and not for the welfare or advancement of the children. At least, the latter is only a secondary concern.

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How old were you when you understood the system and made the decision to reject it?

And how did you reject it, what actions did you take or not take?

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
How exactly do you consider a lack of self-control enough to sit still through a class something ‘manly’ and somebody teaching you to concentrate somehow making you less masculine?[/quote]

Being a boy is a big part of becoming a man. If he was 17 at the time, then I agree with you, but generally the term “troublemaker” is assigned to younger kids, who shouldn’t be forced to sit through 90 minutes of anything.

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
How old were you when you understood the system and made the decision to reject it?

And how did you reject it, what actions did you take or not take?

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13 years old.

I rejected its values. Example: It’s emphasis on performance, acheving somebody else’s goals as opposed to developing your own standard of excellence, mechanical indoctrination of every child as opposed to a natural unfolding of their individual potential. Many kids in my school were highly intelligent but because the system didn’t allow for thier type of intelligence and learning style, those who were primarily visual learners or kinestetic learners, for instance, they were mocked for not meeting the grades that were only measured through auditory learnig. Not to mention the tactic intelligence of many who were gifted in sports and had to be made to sit through a lesson with a teacher who could only explain physics on a blackboard.

I could go on and on. I saw the cracks in the exam and grading system and felt insulted; how dare you measure my intelligence with your flawed “tests” and then blame me for not meeting the mark…

Out of teenage angst, I then went on to develop a method of cheating which was more sophisticated then the stupid questions I was made to answer as my way of beating the system. I also flunked many a exam and since I had previously had a brilliant record ( brilliant according to their standards which I had no respect for ) and was considered very intelligent ( again according to their standards ) teachers were baffled as to what went “wrong” with me. There was nothing wrong I just didn’t want to be part of a system which I felt wasn’t intelligent enough to accomodate mine and many other of my fellow students needs - and didn’t care to scrutinize their inadequate methods either - it was and it still is the fault of the child who “doesn’t achive” what the system requires of him/her. I befriended and spoke powerful words to the underdogs, children I knew had a star but were not allowed to develop their potential since the system clearly did not accomodate their learning style, the substance of their nature, their dynamic energy or the particular type of their creativity. Many turned to drugs and hurtful practices because the system had failed them. I lost respect for my “experts” and “superior authorities” and began to rely heavily on my own authority. And as far as guidance is concerned I travel solo - I trust that I will know what I need to know when I need to know it - and my experience has been the case. I am an independant thinker and I do not feel the need to have a piece of paper to prove the substance of the woman I am within. My mind is constantly expanding, what does it prove to me that I get a paper at the end of my stay in any educational institution? My intellect cannot be intitutionalized so I rejected the system that tells me I am someone only after being indoctrinated and “approved” by their mind. That’s a violation of my autonomy right there.

I did not and I still am not interested in meeting the world’s requirements - I let it be but I do not buy it.

I am unimpressed with our “style over substance” mentality. It matters not the substance of the man or woman that you could develop into to as long as you meet the world’s style of intelligence, beauty, athleticism, the substance is overlooked. Get that Phd, make it to the cover of Vogue, break a world record and you have arrived, nevermind that it may have cost the development of that childs true nature as a complete human being naturally unfolding and reaching his/her full potential, the system wants you to achieve and it wants it in its terms and it wants it now.

Hence drugs, cutting corners, neglecting your loved ones in the persuit of knowledge, sacrificing ones family to meet the unrelanting demands - and achieve more not TO BE MORE.

The schooling system is desingned for us to achieve more whilst at the same time become less of a human being.

I remain defiant and refuse to be bought into a system that will praise me and prize me as valueable for distorting my human nature and turning myself into a human machine or a puppet ( Paris Hilton ). No child should be made to feel they have to “prove themselves” to anyone. Accomplishment, yes. Achievement, no. The system carves the image and then expects us to worship it. I want to be an accomplished human being not an achievement machine.

Let the deficiency be theirs not ours.

I don’t need a prize. The world can keep its trophy.

A lot of great posts & I agree with most of them. Mostly I’ll be paraphrasing what’s already been said …

Holmdog raises a great point about raising gentlemen (not necessarily aggressive) which was how I was raised by my mother (HA!) and at my boys only boarding school. I read that there is nothing tougher than a true gentleman: considerate of women, ready to defend the weak, educated and resolute in standing up for what is right - BUT never offensive. I think this is what we are aiming for?

The problem appears to be endemic in western culture - the absolution of personal responsibility. Hence, relying on techers to shape our children’s characters through rediculous rules; suing a school if our child falls off monkey bars; schools needing insurance policies (sic); relying on MTV to show our boys how to behave like rappers and thugs with a very negative representation of manhood that the feminists react to (and who can blame them).

The solution? Already posted - stand up for what you believe in, get involved n ALL your childs activities (yes PTA too) and tell them firmly, in reasoned argument, why they are wrong. Don’t loose your rag, but be persistent.

By the way, the best moments of fatherhood yet: my 4yr old son intervening on behalf of a little girl who was being hit by a bigger boy - broke up the fight by just raising his fist. Then all the girls wanted to be ‘rescued’. Brought a tear to my eye …

[quote]fos121 wrote:
A lot of great posts & I agree with most of them. Mostly I’ll be paraphrasing what’s already been said …

Holmdog raises a great point about raising gentlemen (not necessarily aggressive) which was how I was raised by my mother (HA!) and at my boys only boarding school. I read that there is nothing tougher than a true gentleman: considerate of women, ready to defend the weak, educated and resolute in standing up for what is right - BUT never offensive. I think this is what we are aiming for?

The problem appears to be endemic in western culture - the absolution of personal responsibility. Hence, relying on techers to shape our children’s characters through rediculous rules; suing a school if our child falls off monkey bars; schools needing insurance policies (sic); relying on MTV to show our boys how to behave like rappers and thugs with a very negative representation of manhood that the feminists react to (and who can blame them).

The solution? Already posted - stand up for what you believe in, get involved n ALL your childs activities (yes PTA too) and tell them firmly, in reasoned argument, why they are wrong. Don’t loose your rag, but be persistent.

By the way, the best moments of fatherhood yet: my 4yr old son intervening on behalf of a little girl who was being hit by a bigger boy - broke up the fight by just raising his fist. Then all the girls wanted to be ‘rescued’. Brought a tear to my eye … [/quote]

Great post.

I was raised this way. But I have to say that some of this does not play out very well in our current culture.

I opened a door for a women the other day, allowing her to enter first. She gave me a dirty look as she passed through the doorway ahead of me. She then looked back and said with a snarl that she was strong enough to open her own door!

I just smiled and kept walking…

I wonder as men become more feminine, are women becoming more masulcine?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
fos121 wrote:
A lot of great posts & I agree with most of them. Mostly I’ll be paraphrasing what’s already been said …

Holmdog raises a great point about raising gentlemen (not necessarily aggressive) which was how I was raised by my mother (HA!) and at my boys only boarding school. I read that there is nothing tougher than a true gentleman: considerate of women, ready to defend the weak, educated and resolute in standing up for what is right - BUT never offensive. I think this is what we are aiming for?

The problem appears to be endemic in western culture - the absolution of personal responsibility. Hence, relying on techers to shape our children’s characters through rediculous rules; suing a school if our child falls off monkey bars; schools needing insurance policies (sic); relying on MTV to show our boys how to behave like rappers and thugs with a very negative representation of manhood that the feminists react to (and who can blame them).

The solution? Already posted - stand up for what you believe in, get involved n ALL your childs activities (yes PTA too) and tell them firmly, in reasoned argument, why they are wrong. Don’t loose your rag, but be persistent.

By the way, the best moments of fatherhood yet: my 4yr old son intervening on behalf of a little girl who was being hit by a bigger boy - broke up the fight by just raising his fist. Then all the girls wanted to be ‘rescued’. Brought a tear to my eye …

Great post.

I was raised this way. But I have to say that some of this does not play out very well in our current culture.

…a true gentleman: considerate of women…

I opened a door for a women the other day, allowing her to enter first. She gave me a dirty look as she passed through the doorway ahead of me. She then looked back and said with a snarl that she was strong enough to open her own door!

I just smiled and kept walking…

I wonder as men become more feminine, are women becoming more masulcine?

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Nah, she’s probably bought into the whole “feminine equality” deal that some women take waaaaaaay too seriously. Where us real men view that as being polite, she probably viewed it as you treating her as an inferior and subtlely implying that she couldn’t open the door herself. There are still plenty of women out there that would appreciate what ya did Zeb.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

I opened a door for a women the other day, allowing her to enter first. She gave me a dirty look as she passed through the doorway ahead of me. She then looked back and said with a snarl that she was strong enough to open her own door!

I just smiled and kept walking…

I wonder as men become more feminine, are women becoming more masulcine?

[/quote]

She wasn’t being masculine. She was being weak, arrogant and unappreciative.

You should have tripped her. (j/k)

Very fitting article

[quote]Neebone wrote:
Very fitting article
How feminism destroyed real men | Daily Mail Online [/quote]

And these are the people that graduate from the school system and are considered “successful”.

Creative energy, my gluteous max.

If my husband had written a “creative” article exposing his sexual betrayal of me to the public I would cut his balls off.

It’s not about “who is boss” people, it’s about mutual respect.

It is not about dominance it’s about indomitableness.

These people are not Alpha Male and Female as he makes out either - They are just Beta Shit.

He nearly had me until he started to pull that irracional racionalization of male infantile sexual fantasy. Loser.

Yes, a woman wants to be possessed by her mate’s sexual energy and feel contained within him in the moment of sexual expression but that does not mean you possess me as an autonomous being.

Grow up already.

end of rant

[quote]doogie wrote:
My son told me this morning as I was dropping him off at school that he can’t get on the monkey bars anymore because the principal said they’re dangerous. [/quote]

That’s sad. We still have monkey bars at my daughter’s school. She couldn’t “monkey walk” across them the first time. But she kept at it and can now do it. A good lesson learned: hard work + persistence = accomplishment.

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
doogie wrote:
My son told me this morning as I was dropping him off at school that he can’t get on the monkey bars anymore because the principal said they’re dangerous.

That’s sad. We still have monkey bars at my daughter’s school. She couldn’t “monkey walk” across them the first time. But she kept at it and can now do it. A good lesson learned: hard work + persistence = accomplishment. [/quote]

Absolutely!

She reminded of myself, I used to love that challenge. I broke an arm and a wrist playing on it…character building before body building.

I worked with a woman who actually felt that the world would be a better place if men were to take “detestosterone” shots. I thought she was joking but she was serious. Jeeeeeez!

[quote]firebug9 wrote:
doogie wrote:
My son told me this morning as I was dropping him off at school that he can’t get on the monkey bars anymore because the principal said they’re dangerous.

It is a sad state of affairs when a kid can’t even get childhood injuries… I hate that we have come to the point that everyone is afraid of a lawsuit so we wrap up things in bubble wrap. But the problem is we are turning one problem in for a different and much larger problem.
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The kids at my daughter’s elementary school are not allowed to walk backwards because a kid fell and hurt himself (the dad’s a lawyer). They still have the monkey bars. She broke her arm on them last year.

[quote]cvb wrote:

The kids at my daughter’s elementary school are not allowed to walk backwards because a kid fell and hurt himself.[/quote]

LOL. I would be home schooling my kids in the woods somewhere. Recess would be “bear killin” and “free style wrestling”.