[quote]HogLover wrote:
…Alright, I guess I’m not done with this one. Why is it that when I ask my friends if they want to do something they say, “Well, let me ask the boss and I’ll get back to you,” insinuating that their wife is the boss in the house? That irriates me. I mean, of course I respect my wife and I do discuss certain things with her and we make decisions together but come on guys, LET’S GROW A SACK! Just because your wife “holds the key to her own little piece of heaven” doesn’t mean that she is supposed to or can hold that over your head and run stuff in the house. It’s a team effort.
Being a man doesn’t mean being a sexiest man. It just means, taking responsibility, not being afraid of your role as a man. I want my son to be respectful to women because women deserve that, but I don’t want him to be a puss. There is a happy balance that can be achieved.[/quote]
Good point. It’s funny how today if you say “act like a man” it is interpreted as be obnoxious, beat somebody up, be a jerk.
On the other hand, if mama ain’t happy ain’t nobody happy. That is prehistoric fact.
I realized it was from a Christian ministry and I agreed with many of its points. I didn’t interpret it as saying that women should be “put in their place” or that women can’t have jobs and careers. Perhaps I misinterpreted the message. What I agreed with was the fact that you don’t discriminate against one group to avoid discriminating against another. Men-bashing is utterly ridiculous. You don’t need to castrate boys to get them to treat girls fairly.
And this “let’s eliminate competition” is bad for both boys and girls. I’ve known some pretty competitive women who have become successful, and no they weren’t lesbians. Competition is good. It sorts out strengths and weaknesses. Let’s face, not every kid can grow up to be a brain surgeon, but that’s a good thing, because I wouldn’t want an idiot operating on my brain. I’d want the best person for the job and it wouldn’t matter to me whether that person was male or female.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Also, I didn’t say liberals as an entire group are the problem regarding masculinity. But I’ll bet you $100 that 99.9% of all feminist are liberals. Wanna take that bet? Liberals just tend to sympathize with this type of thing. Disagree?
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Why don’t you man up and figure out that your diatribe is about feminists instead of liberals?
That fact that feminists might be predominantly liberals doesn’t make it a liberal issue.
I think the part that liberals will agree to is similar to the points that MikeTheBear just wrote. There are maturity aspects to being a male that are important as well. We don’t live in caves anymore and we do need to have the ability to get along with our own families.
Well, some of us do.
The following is only tongue in cheek, but by your logic hatred and violence towards women must all be caused by those damned conservatives…
Wow. Thats a far cry from my school days in the early 90’s in detroit, running home from the bus stop so I wouldn’t get jumped/beaten up. My school oooooozed testosterone from every crack and broken glass. You could almost smell it in the air walking in that place.
[quote]vroom wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Also, I didn’t say liberals as an entire group are the problem regarding masculinity. But I’ll bet you $100 that 99.9% of all feminist are liberals. Wanna take that bet? Liberals just tend to sympathize with this type of thing. Disagree?
Why don’t you man up and figure out that your diatribe is about feminists instead of liberals?
That fact that feminists might be predominantly liberals doesn’t make it a liberal issue.
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OK, right. I think we all agree that feminists have really screwed things up. We all agree that if this trend continues future generations of men will exhibit more traditional feminine traits. Boys are repressed in school. I have seen it for myself.
Again, what’s the root of the problem? Feminist women and sympathetic men, who, by the way, are normally liberal by political affiliation. Who was President when that gender equality nonsense legislation was passed in 1994? Let me think. Yes, indeed, it is a liberal issue. People who are liberal support it. No, perhaps not ALL liberals, but the people who do believe this stuff are predominantly liberal (it’s like not every Muslim is a terrorist hijacker, but so far every hijacker has been a Muslim). It’s just another example of how the rejection of traditional values is destroying our culture. Interpret that however you like.
That fact that feminists might be predominantly liberals doesn’t make it a liberal issue.
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This is why I wish we were under a proportional representation system.
All the ultrafeminists could form a party on the ultra-left where the moderate majority of liberal-conservative/conservative-liberals could ignore their bitching and address real issues.
Biblical principles have nothing to do with keeping women quiet or shutting them in the kitchen. It has to do with understanding that men and women are different, and have different roles in life.
However, the mans job is not more important than the women’s job. Having society function correctly is on both shoulders, male and female. This is what I mean by equality. Women should not be beaten, abused, raped, mistreated or undervalues. But neither should men. Some people fail to see that we are different, but equally important to the end goal. Both gender roles are necessary, important, and valuable to society. Due respect should be given to both roles.
Women were treated as lesser than equal for a long time. Now men are, neither practice is correct.[/quote]
There is a clear and distinct bias against men and masculinity in Western culture today. Just look around you. It’s in plain sight. If anything, there should be a masculinism movement.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Prime example, my friend broke up with his girlfriend, who lived with him but paid no rent or bills. When she dumped him, he said okay you have three weeks to get out, and I will go on vacation for that three weeks so you have your space. What in hell is going on? After supporting her, paying her bills, and getting dumped, he then surrendered his house for her comfort. This is a prime example of the feminization of men in America. Here is the worst part, after all of this, her and her girlfriends still call him an asshole for kicking her out… [/quote]
Wimp + Pussy = Wussy. Your friend is a wuss and needs to be smacked back to reality. Being his friend, you’re obligated to do this.
That is incorrect. The Bible is very clear that sex between two married people is great (and it is, I might add - read the Song of Solomon.) Sexual attraction to one’s wife is healthy and good. Fantasizing about other women is not, and detracts from God’s purpose for sex.
[quote]vroom wrote:
PGJ wrote:
more political crap
Dude, just leave the politics out of it. It’s much more complicated than the picture you are trying to paint.
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This IS a political issue. Political correctness. Everything has to be equal. We have to be ultacareful not to hurt someones poor feelings. You’re fat, it’s not your fault. Can’t get a job, it’s not your fault. Kill your kids, it’s not your fault (that freakin’ mother who killed 5 of her kids was found not guilty today!) Go to a school board meeting and tell me it’s not political. When California forces kindergarteners to learn about homosexuality, THAT is political. When public worship of God is forbidden because we don’t want to offend the satanists or athiests, that is political. When a Governor is widely criticized for his use of the term “girlie men” to describe indecisive, spineless elected officials, that is political. When people sue their school districts because their child was “forced” to read something from the bible, but are fine with distributing condoms and gay school clubs, that is political. Who are the people responsible for this rejection of traditional values? If the de-masculining of America isn’t political, then what is it? It’s not a social thing like baggy pants and wifebeater shirts. Someone somewhere forced this PC crap on us. The OP asked for our thoughts. These are mine. What’s your solution?
[quote]HogLover wrote:
…Alright, I guess I’m not done with this one. Why is it that when I ask my friends if they want to do something they say, “Well, let me ask the boss and I’ll get back to you,” insinuating that their wife is the boss in the house? That irriates me. I mean, of course I respect my wife and I do discuss certain things with her and we make decisions together but come on guys, LET’S GROW A SACK! Just because your wife “holds the key to her own little piece of heaven” doesn’t mean that she is supposed to or can hold that over your head and run stuff in the house. It’s a team effort.
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part of the problem is that a lot of men (read: boys) these days are not looking for a significant other… . a partner… . they are looking for another mother figure… . someone to look after them while they refuse to grow up. …
