Feminists Try to 'Abolish' Men/Women Differences

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

I don’t think the draft would work today. Most people would tell the government to fuck off. as i would. nobody is going to tell me who i have to kill. nobody. I don’t owe this country a damm thing.
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Thank god we aren’t yet a nation full of chickenshits like you.[/quote]

was muhammidd ali a coward?? I think not. just cause this country loves to interfere in other countries business, doesn’t mean i have to go there and kill people.

[quote]belligerent wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

I would say that every trained man is stronger than every trained female. there are trained females that are stronger than some untrained men. “some” but, you will never ever find a trained women stronger than an equally trained man.[/quote]

False. Females have bench pressed over 500 pounds and the average male cannot come close to that with any amount of training.[/quote]

I have never heard of any female ever benching 500lbs. And i said equally trained. Show me one woman that has ever benched pressed 500lbs, without a bench shirt. I’m talking raw. You take away that bench shirt, and you have a 315lb bench. not 500.

Its an interesting topic. There are some woman who can perform at an above average rate in the military, but it is hard to quantify. As a former soldier I met many female soldiers who would take the advantage of the many horny men there to carry there weapons or perform the females task in exchange for companionship.

In my opinion woman do not belong in the front lines, it distracts the males, it only natural. And Roguevampire I agree with you about the raw strength but damn you disgrace those who fought for your damn right too post on the internet or dream about your 400 yrs old lover. If your not willing to fight for your country…im not saying your a coward but damn you sound so damned entitled.

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:
and little girls don’t find ways to make weapons and fight?

there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+

which you take to mean what, exactly?

that you are surely smarter than me??

lolz.[/quote]

most little girls do not make weopons and look to fight. they look to play with dolls, dress up and play with makeup. [/quote]

There is nothing actually masculine about guns and feminine about dolls, you realize this, yes? Guns and dolls are socially defined as masculine and feminine, just as the color pink is socially defined as a girls color

[quote]wsk wrote:

Here’s an uncomfortable fact for gender benders: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+.[/quote]

Prove it.

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

There is sooo much damn information i could spew on this topic. I haven’t even covered the tip of the iceberg. The sad thing is though, none of it will matter in the end, because you dudes are too damn stubborn. This has got to be one of the most close-minded topics that can possibly be discussed, for BOTH sides of the argument.

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Its an interesting topic. There are some woman who can perform at an above average rate in the military, but it is hard to quantify. As a former soldier I met many female soldiers who would take the advantage of the many horny men there to carry there weapons or perform the females task in exchange for companionship.

In my opinion woman do not belong in the front lines, it distracts the males, it only natural. And Roguevampire I agree with you about the raw strength but damn you disgrace those who fought for your damn right too post on the internet or dream about your 400 yrs old lover. If your not willing to fight for your country…im not saying your a coward but damn you sound so damned entitled.[/quote]

I have never understood that point. Exactly how will men be distracted by women being on the front lines? Give me a very specific example, because when this topic is discussed, all anyone says is that women will distract men just because…

If a women has proven that she is skilled enough and brave enough to fight on the front lines, then let her. I would hope male soldiers are smart enough and focused enough to not let the presence of a woman distract them from incoming fire.

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

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Girls often get better marks on school tests.

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/research/boys_literacy.pdf

Girl’s have higher enrollment in University now and boys are more likely to be put in remedial studies and on drugs such as ritalin.

In a U.S. office of Civil Rights study Oswald [11] found that 73% of learning disabled individuals in special education programs were boys. But that there were no significant gender differences in terms of having a learning disability, but rather just in placement in such a program or treatment.

Learning disability - Wikipedia citation

Boys are taught NOT to struggle and fight. They get punished. Schools reward mediocrity these days. Everyone has to pass. A fail reflects on the bad teacher, not the disadvantaged student. Therefore, a teacher would be foolish to fail a student.

There isn’t enough correlation between school marks and extreme IQ scores for them to even be a relavant comparison.

I disagree with everything you wrote. I didn’t give a very broad answer though so feel free to pick at what you want in my reply.

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Its an interesting topic. There are some woman who can perform at an above average rate in the military, but it is hard to quantify. As a former soldier I met many female soldiers who would take the advantage of the many horny men there to carry there weapons or perform the females task in exchange for companionship.

In my opinion woman do not belong in the front lines, it distracts the males, it only natural. And Roguevampire I agree with you about the raw strength but damn you disgrace those who fought for your damn right too post on the internet or dream about your 400 yrs old lover. If your not willing to fight for your country…im not saying your a coward but damn you sound so damned entitled.[/quote]

I have never understood that point. Exactly how will men be distracted by women being on the front lines? Give me a very specific example, because when this topic is discussed, all anyone says is that women will distract men just because…

If a women has proven that she is skilled enough and brave enough to fight on the front lines, then let her. I would hope male soldiers are smart enough and focused enough to not let the presence of a woman distract them from incoming fire.
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Specifically for the military:

In small units, individual soldiers put a premium on the life of their female comrade. That is, when faced with the rigors of combat, male soldiers will put more emphasis on the survival of their female unit memeber than their male unit members. This interferes with the accomplishment of the mission.

But that is not the reason women should not be allowed to serve on the front lines.

Women should not be allowed to serve on the front lines because when they get orders to ship-out, they suddenly find themselves pregnant. Not all, but in statistically large enough numbers to affect the combat readyness of military units.

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

[/quote]

Girls often get better marks on school tests.

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/research/boys_literacy.pdf

Girl’s have higher enrollment in University now and boys are more likely to be put in remedial studies and on drugs such as ritalin.

In a U.S. office of Civil Rights study Oswald [11] found that 73% of learning disabled individuals in special education programs were boys. But that there were no significant gender differences in terms of having a learning disability, but rather just in placement in such a program or treatment.

Learning disability - Wikipedia citation

Boys are taught NOT to struggle and fight. They get punished. Schools reward mediocrity these days. Everyone has to pass. A fail reflects on the bad teacher, not the disadvantaged student. Therefore, a teacher would be foolish to fail a student.

There isn’t enough correlation between school marks and extreme IQ scores for them to even be a relavant comparison.

I disagree with everything you wrote. I didn’t give a very broad answer though so feel free to pick at what you want in my reply.[/quote]

You make good points. I’d argue that there are a significant amount of boys that just fuck up incredibly bad in life due to drugs and violence. This brings test scored down and therefore brings the avg down significantly.

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Its an interesting topic. There are some woman who can perform at an above average rate in the military, but it is hard to quantify. As a former soldier I met many female soldiers who would take the advantage of the many horny men there to carry there weapons or perform the females task in exchange for companionship.

In my opinion woman do not belong in the front lines, it distracts the males, it only natural. And Roguevampire I agree with you about the raw strength but damn you disgrace those who fought for your damn right too post on the internet or dream about your 400 yrs old lover. If your not willing to fight for your country…im not saying your a coward but damn you sound so damned entitled.[/quote]

I have never understood that point. Exactly how will men be distracted by women being on the front lines? Give me a very specific example, because when this topic is discussed, all anyone says is that women will distract men just because…

If a women has proven that she is skilled enough and brave enough to fight on the front lines, then let her. I would hope male soldiers are smart enough and focused enough to not let the presence of a woman distract them from incoming fire.
[/quote]

Specifically for the military:

In small units, individual soldiers put a premium on the life of their female comrade. That is, when faced with the rigors of combat, male soldiers will put more emphasis on the survival of their female unit memeber than their male unit members. This interferes with the accomplishment of the mission.

But that is not the reason women should not be allowed to serve on the front lines.

Women should not be allowed to serve on the front lines because when they get orders to ship-out, they suddenly find themselves pregnant. Not all, but in statistically large enough numbers to affect the combat readyness of military units.[/quote]

That’s a great point but i’d definitely like to see the data on that. I don’t see how being in the infantry as a woman is any different than working on base over seas as something other than infantry. Last time i checked military women aren’t coming home pregnant left and right, so why would the pregnancy rate increase so drastically in infantry? This is just a question. I am curious, definitely not disagreeing with you because i don’t know enough about this topic

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

[/quote]
No, its genetic.

While male and female IQs are rougly equal on average, there is far greater variance in male IQs. Hence, more really smart men and more really dumb ones.

People with ideas and opinions like the said parents should be put to death.On the same note, feminists suck and they should go make my GODDAMN SANDWICH!

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

[/quote]

Girls often get better marks on school tests.

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/research/boys_literacy.pdf

Girl’s have higher enrollment in University now and boys are more likely to be put in remedial studies and on drugs such as ritalin.

In a U.S. office of Civil Rights study Oswald [11] found that 73% of learning disabled individuals in special education programs were boys. But that there were no significant gender differences in terms of having a learning disability, but rather just in placement in such a program or treatment.

Learning disability - Wikipedia citation

Boys are taught NOT to struggle and fight. They get punished. Schools reward mediocrity these days. Everyone has to pass. A fail reflects on the bad teacher, not the disadvantaged student. Therefore, a teacher would be foolish to fail a student.

There isn’t enough correlation between school marks and extreme IQ scores for them to even be a relavant comparison.

I disagree with everything you wrote. I didn’t give a very broad answer though so feel free to pick at what you want in my reply.[/quote]

You make good points. I’d argue that there are a significant amount of boys that just fuck up incredibly bad in life due to drugs and violence. This brings test scored down and therefore brings the avg down significantly.[/quote]

And girl’s lives are fucked up due to teen pregnancy, sexual abuse etc. It’s arguable which sex has a tougher upbringing; but, we’re speaking about averages and generalities here. You make alot of inductive arguments based on specific occurances to prove the picture at large.

do you think a male who is genetically unsuitable for a sport would surpass the performance of a female athlete who was genetically suitable for her sport if they trained equally hard?

[quote]alexus wrote:
do you think a male who is genetically unsuitable for a sport would surpass the performance of a female athlete who was genetically suitable for her sport if they trained equally hard?[/quote]

totally depends… i wouldn’t consider myself genetically suitable for basketball, but if i trained equally hard as a girl who was, yes i would probably be a better basketball player than her. If i trained as equally ard as a girl who was a long distance runner, i’d probably get my ass kicked

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

[/quote]

Girls often get better marks on school tests.

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/research/boys_literacy.pdf

Girl’s have higher enrollment in University now and boys are more likely to be put in remedial studies and on drugs such as ritalin.

In a U.S. office of Civil Rights study Oswald [11] found that 73% of learning disabled individuals in special education programs were boys. But that there were no significant gender differences in terms of having a learning disability, but rather just in placement in such a program or treatment.

Learning disability - Wikipedia citation

Boys are taught NOT to struggle and fight. They get punished. Schools reward mediocrity these days. Everyone has to pass. A fail reflects on the bad teacher, not the disadvantaged student. Therefore, a teacher would be foolish to fail a student.

There isn’t enough correlation between school marks and extreme IQ scores for them to even be a relavant comparison.

I disagree with everything you wrote. I didn’t give a very broad answer though so feel free to pick at what you want in my reply.[/quote]

You make good points. I’d argue that there are a significant amount of boys that just fuck up incredibly bad in life due to drugs and violence. This brings test scored down and therefore brings the avg down significantly.[/quote]

And girl’s lives are fucked up due to teen pregnancy, sexual abuse etc. It’s arguable which sex has a tougher upbringing; but, we’re speaking about averages and generalities here. You make alot of inductive arguments based on specific occurances to prove the picture at large.
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It’s very tough very either of us to draw any clear and well supported conclusions about the statistics. In the end, I am just not believing that due to genetics, there are three times the amount of men with IQ’s over 170 than there are woman. There are just to many factors.

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]wsk wrote:
Alexus,

Sex differences emerge in foetuses - well before ‘culture’ could ‘determine’ them.

Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.

Irish,

‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]

Let me offer an explanation as to why there may be 3 times the amount of men with an IQ over 170. IQ is something that can change drastically based on your upbringing. Someone who is put through a typical western educational system is going to score significantly higher on an IQ test than if that same person was raised in Mexico for example. Just want to clarify that certain factors can and do significantly affect IQ scores with this basic example.

Now, in western civilization, it is my opinion that women are raised differently than boys are. On average, IMO, women are not taught to overcome, persevere, and fight through the struggles and hardships in their life, at least not as much as men are ingrained with that kind of thought process. This alone can affect womens confidence which has a direct effect on test taking ability. If your confidence is blown, you have no chance of doing well at anything, especially an IQ test.

I see girls at my school day in and day out that lack the confidence and drive to do well in school. When they do bad on a test, they get really down on themselves and start believing that they aren’t smart enough to do well. The truth of the matter is, they are PLENTY smart enough to do well, they just don’t have that drive and belief in themselves. When i do bad on a test, i get pissed and make sure to study harder for the next test. I never lose confidence or belief in myself. I genuinely believe this is due to how i was raised by my parents and coaches. Specific beliefs were instilled in me that were not instilled in most girls. Instead, girls are raised and treated like they are incapable of really going for and attacking their dreams and aspirations. It’s a much looser approach for girls than it is for boys, and i believe this approach puts girls at a big disadvantage for really shining when it comes to succeeding in most anything in life, including a stupid IQ test.

[/quote]
No, its genetic.

While male and female IQs are rougly equal on average, there is far greater variance in male IQs. Hence, more really smart men and more really dumb ones.[/quote]

No IQ is not genteic. Genteics have a role in intellignece, there is no doubt about that, but environmental factors have a huge impact on a persons IQ. See the example i gave in my post… Here is another example though: Get a pair of twins, have one raised by a wealthy and intelligent couple in the suburbs and then have one child raised by a poor, uneducated family in the ghetto. When they turn 18, have them both take an IQ test and watch the results. It is just my opinion, but i think we can safely say that the child raised with the educationally directed family will perform significantly better than the poor family that puts little emphasis on school.

Another example :slight_smile:

Take the IQ’s of every 19 year old that lives and has grown up in compton and compare it to the IQ’s of every kid that has grown up in a wealthy suburban area. Obviously the suburban kids are going to score significantly better. Is that because they are genetically born with higher IQ’s? No way! Their social upbringing had huge influences on their “IQ”