Heh, as a PE teacher I tend to avoid elimination games because of the inevitable sulks and tantrums. Incidentally, one of the biggest sulkers, who never fails to turn on the waterworks and call “unfair” when eliminated, is a boy.
Anyway, I digress.
[quote]alexus wrote:
the draft is interesting. in australia women are campaigning to be allowed to serve in any position in the military (so long as they meet current competency requirements).[/quote]
i wonder how women in the us would react to that, not sarcastic i really wonder but i would bet on a vastly differently reaction to it here
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Maybe the same as a lot of men feel about it. Maybe not though. General conscription has often been met with back lash by men so I can’t imagine the difference would be significantly different.
As far as ‘World War Three’ goes I’m not sure that’s a great argument. Part of priveledged North American life is that there have been few major conflicts fought on our soil. I’m including Canada in this. As such, we send our boys and young men to fight on someone elses land without significant disruption to our own lives. For all the people in the world who have war on their own door steps and in their yards, all genders and ages are affected. When the bombs fall, they don’t just fall on the men over 18.
That’s what’s always kind of made me laugh about the discussoin of women in the military or going to war. For the countries at war, they’re there anyway. So are the children.
[quote]alexus wrote:
mmm hmm. every single boy is a better worker than every single girl. just like every single boy is stronger than every single girl.
i didn’t know that about the abortions. the numbers are staggering.
(point being that averages apply to populations not particular individuals within them)[/quote]
Not necessarily better workers, but men do tend to be more assertive, more aggressive, and more willing to go ruffle feathers to get what they want (I’m speaking in generalizations, BG doesn’t fit this pattern, but she’s an exception to the norm), which leads to higher levels of achievement because the world does not function based solely on merit, there are other social dynamics at play beyond “works harder” or “smarter”.
As to gender being a product of nature vs. nurture:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Maybe the same as a lot of men feel about it. Maybe not though. General conscription has often been met with back lash by men so I can’t imagine the difference would be significantly different.
As far as ‘World War Three’ goes I’m not sure that’s a great argument. Part of priveledged North American life is that there have been few major conflicts fought on our soil. I’m including Canada in this. As such, we send our boys and young men to fight on someone elses land without significant disruption to our own lives. For all the people in the world who have war on their own door steps and in their yards, all genders and ages are affected. When the bombs fall, they don’t just fall on the men over 18.
That’s what’s always kind of made me laugh about the discussoin of women in the military or going to war. For the countries at war, they’re there anyway. So are the children.[/quote]
why does it have to be on our soil? would they want to be sent over seas
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I’m still making my way through the whole article, but what exactly is the big deal about gender neutral policies? I’m not talking about refusing to reveal your child’s sex, or trying to raise a boy like a girl. That’s just silly.
But the little things like using “parent” rather than father or mother and making things less awkward for a transgendered individual (like those non-gendered “family” restrooms which may be nice for a transgendered person, but more importantly a mother with small kids) don’t seem like anything to get your panties in a bunch over. Little things like that shouldn’t really negatively affect any “normal” people in their day to day lives.
And I don’t know where they brought up competitive sports in schools, but there is tendency, not so much to avoid competition in PE, but to avoid elimination games. This is not because of the girls, but because of the out of shape and unathletic kids. The goal of a physical educator should be to encourage ALL students to make healthy lifestyle choices and engage in physical activity. Playing elimination games all the time is not the best way to encourage someone who isn’t into sports to participate in PE. [/quote]
I’ve never understood why people get so up in arms over this stuff. Gender is a societal construct, y’all.
And I’m curious to know what Nards posted that got removed so quickly…
Good point Jules.
We may not wave the flag as much as our southern neighbours, but you can be sure if my country was attacked, I would be first in line to help and volunteer. And since I’m too old for any sort of active duty, my daughter would be right behind me.
The issue of female abortion is something that my ex saw the consequences of first hand in China. He met quite a few young men who have resigned themselves to the fact that they will never earn enough to be able to afford a wife. Many of them had taken up with other guys, because getting any sort of male/female sex was not ever going to be available to them, aside from paying for it. He also met a girl there who he really liked, and would have pursued a relationship with her, but there was no way her family would have ever allowed that. She was quite pretty and young, and worth a good pay-off from a rich Chinese man.
[quote]pete26 wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Maybe the same as a lot of men feel about it. Maybe not though. General conscription has often been met with back lash by men so I can’t imagine the difference would be significantly different.
As far as ‘World War Three’ goes I’m not sure that’s a great argument. Part of priveledged North American life is that there have been few major conflicts fought on our soil. I’m including Canada in this. As such, we send our boys and young men to fight on someone elses land without significant disruption to our own lives. For all the people in the world who have war on their own door steps and in their yards, all genders and ages are affected. When the bombs fall, they don’t just fall on the men over 18.
That’s what’s always kind of made me laugh about the discussoin of women in the military or going to war. For the countries at war, they’re there anyway. So are the children.[/quote]
why does it have to be on our soil? would they want to be sent over seas [/quote]
I don’t think they would want to be sent anywhere. My point is that many people around the world, men and women have no choice. They live it so the argument of women in combat is intellectual only because it’s in their homes.
However, I think young men romanticize war and combat and it’s easier to do that when it’s at a distance. I think this is part of young boys picking up sticks and making guns out of them. That’s often what boys do. I think the government does it’s part in fanning the flames of the romance of war in order to spur enlistment. Young men are full of cock and swagger and most couldn’t resist the lure of either ‘bringing peace’ to someone else or just killing people. That’s not a judgement. I think it’s testosterone at it’s peak in young men and the government harnesses that for it’s own benefit. It always has, every where, and always will.
Because young women generally do not have the same drives, we are less likely to see them entering general enlistment.
I also think you’re less likely to see older men enter general enlistment because they have few romantic notions and have calmed down a bit.
None of these are judgements. They are merely observations from studying centuries of history and war is what drives history. Young men have, historically, been cannon fodder.
[quote]wsk wrote:
Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. Any response along the lines of ‘so what, are men supposed to be cleverer than women?’ is also irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.
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I’m sure that there is a point to all this. I’m just not sure what it is exactly.
[quote]alexus wrote:
and little girls don’t find ways to make weapons and fight?
there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+
which you take to mean what, exactly?
that you are surely smarter than me??
lolz.[/quote]
most little girls do not make weopons and look to fight. they look to play with dolls, dress up and play with makeup.
[quote]alexus wrote:
mmm hmm. every single boy is a better worker than every single girl. just like every single boy is stronger than every single girl.
i didn’t know that about the abortions. the numbers are staggering.
(point being that averages apply to populations not particular individuals within them)[/quote]
I would say that every trained man is stronger than every trained female. there are trained females that are stronger than some untrained men. “some” but, you will never ever find a trained women stronger than an equally trained man.
[quote]wsk wrote:
Regarding IQ, I’ll say it again: there are thirty times as many men as women with an IQ of 170+. That there is also a predominance of men at the lower end of the scale as well is irrelevant. The point is that men vastly outnumber women at the upper extreme of IQ, and there’s nothing gender benders can do about it.
Irish,
‘Elite’ meaning the political elite who push this bullshit and fund ‘research’ programs at ‘universities’ to support it. [/quote]
OP - If you want to OWN the top 2.5 percent, that’s fine. But you also need to own the bottom 2.5 percent. Although I’m not sure how bringing IQ into the argument is relevant. And it still doesn’t change the fact that 95% of us are in the middle. Bragging about IQ numbers of 170+ becomes pretty meaningless, since the tests are generally not statistically meaningful above 135. Maybe you didn’t know that.
As for what “feminists” believe, you will find VERY FEW who would agree with most of the extreme gender elimination ideas in the NPR article you referenced. Thinking that these people on the fringes reflect the “feminist agenda” is like thinking that all gay guys are into dressing in drag. I’m concerned with women’s issues, but I probably don’t fit most of the feminist stereotypes, since I’m politically conservative / or libertarian on most issues.
And Irish has an excellent point, about the faulty logic that “liberals” are espousing these kooky “no gender” child rearing practices. This is how we end up with such an ugly political divide in this country. I suspect it works the same way in the U.K., with one side painting the fringe people other as extreme, while simultaneously trying to claim that they are representational of the other side.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Maybe the same as a lot of men feel about it. Maybe not though. General conscription has often been met with back lash by men so I can’t imagine the difference would be significantly different.
As far as ‘World War Three’ goes I’m not sure that’s a great argument. Part of priveledged North American life is that there have been few major conflicts fought on our soil. I’m including Canada in this. As such, we send our boys and young men to fight on someone elses land without significant disruption to our own lives. For all the people in the world who have war on their own door steps and in their yards, all genders and ages are affected. When the bombs fall, they don’t just fall on the men over 18.
That’s what’s always kind of made me laugh about the discussoin of women in the military or going to war. For the countries at war, they’re there anyway. So are the children.[/quote]
I don’t think the draft would work today. Most people would tell the government to fuck off. as i would. nobody is going to tell me who i have to kill. nobody. I don’t owe this country a damm thing.
To have equal rights, does not mean we are equal in life.
Feminism had his time, now it has turned into blind hate against men.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
I don’t think the draft would work today. Most people would tell the government to fuck off. as i would. nobody is going to tell me who i have to kill. nobody. I don’t owe this country a damm thing.
[/quote]
Thank god we aren’t yet a nation full of chickenshits like you.
“What’s the argument here? NBA vs WNBA. One’s a sport, one’s a joke. I like sports and I like jokes. Room for all!” - Dwight, The Office
Seriously though,
Why can’t we embrace what makes each gender different. I love being male, but I can appreciate the things that make women different. Wouldn’t supporting the elimination of gender be like denouncing who you are?
PS societies send men to war because women are more valuble if repopulating needed to occur. One man can inpregnate many women at once. One woman can no be pregnant more than once at a time.
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Doesn’t seem to bother the women in Israel.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]pete26 wrote:
i think that article about aborting sucha high level of females is awful but as for the feminists i often wonder how they would react if when world war III comes around the government says okay all women over the age of 18 in the united states will be entered into the draft the same as men.[/quote]
Maybe the same as a lot of men feel about it. Maybe not though. General conscription has often been met with back lash by men so I can’t imagine the difference would be significantly different.
As far as ‘World War Three’ goes I’m not sure that’s a great argument. Part of priveledged North American life is that there have been few major conflicts fought on our soil. I’m including Canada in this. As such, we send our boys and young men to fight on someone elses land without significant disruption to our own lives. For all the people in the world who have war on their own door steps and in their yards, all genders and ages are affected. When the bombs fall, they don’t just fall on the men over 18.
That’s what’s always kind of made me laugh about the discussoin of women in the military or going to war. For the countries at war, they’re there anyway. So are the children.[/quote]
I don’t think the draft would work today. Most people would tell the government to fuck off. as i would. nobody is going to tell me who i have to kill. nobody. I don’t owe this country a damm thing.
[/quote]
You’re always free to do as you desire. You just aren’t free to do it with impunity.
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
I don’t think the draft would work today. Most people would tell the government to fuck off. as i would. nobody is going to tell me who i have to kill. nobody. I don’t owe this country a damm thing.
[/quote]
Thank god we aren’t yet a nation full of chickenshits like you.[/quote]
I wouldn’t fight for my own country neither and I don’t consider myself a coward.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
I would say that every trained man is stronger than every trained female. there are trained females that are stronger than some untrained men. “some” but, you will never ever find a trained women stronger than an equally trained man.[/quote]
False. Females have bench pressed over 500 pounds and the average male cannot come close to that with any amount of training.