ESPN did a report on her and her brother (Nick Mangold, I think he plays for the Jets O-Line)…
My viewpoint is, even if she’s strong enough to play in the NFL some day, I don’t think she’ll ever be quick enough.
The clips ESPN showed of her showed her (she was playing D-Line) simply overpowering the opposing O-Line with brute strength. That’s not going to happen against D1 or NFL teams.
She should stick to powerlifting. She’s amazingly strong for a teenager.
No way can she compete in college, at any level. Line play is a lot about upper body strength…not just legs. She’s pushing guys because of her size but in college they will toss her like a rag doll.
Got to think the brother has given her some pointers. I saw a clip on ABC of her. Looks like she had a pretty good hold on the DL she was pancaking. No whistle.
This isnt a knock on her or her ambitions.
There is no chance in hell she will play professional football. Its nice to have goals but lets be reasonable.
Michelle Wie has a better chance of making the Ryder Cup team and that doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of happening.
she would need to grow another 4 inches of height (at least) to even play d2.
This is absurd. She will not play in teh NFL. And as far as strength, who cares? Strength doesn’t make players good. Being strong doesn’t make you a good tackler, it doesn’t make you tough, it doesn’t give you sport specific skills that you need to play fotball. To reiterate; this is phenominally silly.
[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
Still, she might at least be able to play division 2 football; [/quote]
No chance in hell.
You don’t know the full story about what happened at McGill.
Anybody who thinks this girl (or any female for that matter) has a snowball’s chance in hell of playing football at the college level has never played competitive organized football before.
Also I agree with barnyfife that there is a ridiculous double standard that applies when females want to play on all male teams vs. when males want to play on all female teams.
Does anybody remember that guy who played girls field hockey? Everybody hated him and called him a jerk…but as soon as some girl decides to play with the boys she is a hero.
I coach high school football. If a girl tried to use some equality law or ruling to get a try-out with my team, I would put her in full contact drills against our best hitters all practice until she quit or got hurt.
If girls want to play football then they should start their own team.
Why is she an NFL hopeful maybe a, she should be a college hopeful at best, and be lucky to make D3.
[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
I have a SERIOUS problem with women playing football in school. My problem is that if a man wanted to play volleyball with the girls, they would laugh him out of site, but if a woman wants to play football with the boys, and she doesn’t get her way, then there is a bunch of media attention, and threatening of lawsuits.[/quote]
I disagree with this post. There usually are male volleyball teams, so if you are male you play with the males. Some females are extremely talented and they realize that playing with “the girls” is like playing in the minor leagues and they want to test themselves out against the best people out there, which is usually men. So it makes sense that somebody might want to move up in the ranks and it also makes sense that you can’t move down. If I compete in powerlifting I can’t enter in the 18 year old class if I am 30 nor can I compete against the girls. But an 18 year old or a girl can compete against me. If you are in the “open” class, or whatever the best division is, then anybody should (in theory) be able to compete in that as long as they know the risks.
I do agree with most of the posters on here that practically, while she may have the right to compete with the men, she will get destroyed at the pro level.
I could be wrong of course. I was basing in on Nebraska’s Husker Power website where the listed some players numbers. I remember a couple years back they had a top linebacker and listed a 500 squat coming out of highschool, and his Sophomore and junior year, he was listed as 475, and 455 squat. I just figured that by the time a guy gets to that level with reasonable strength, they don’t worry about it and they start focusing more on agility stuff. He was about 230.
We also had a mid level recruit who was a 290 pound lineman at the highschool where I work and he squatted. As a senior, he had me spot him for his last max attempt and he squatted 455 deep, and then 495 and 550, but both were 2 inches high. When a guy is 6-5, he’s still pretty strong doing 550 3 inches high, I’m just making an observation.
If football players have long arms and legs, their lift numbers may be deceptively low.
Rulon Jones was a pro bowl lineman in Denver oh a ways back and he said that he could only bench 225 for a couple reps because he had a 7 foot wingspan.
[quote]Bootsie wrote:
theres a video of her squat floating around. its a classic highschool squat, barely reaching parallel. that explains the big number on the squat compared to the other numbers.
also, mert, where did you get those numbers on college and nfl squats. From what ive witnessed i would say most D1 college players squat over 500 raw?[/quote]
I wish my sport sociology class didn’t end a week ago. This article would have brought up so many arguments. I argued about guys competing in girl sports so much that I almost tried out for varisty women’s volleyball because our school doesn’t have a men’s team, just to make a point. I almsot wish I would have… would any of you guys support me if I did?
[quote]nptitim wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
I have a SERIOUS problem with women playing football in school. My problem is that if a man wanted to play volleyball with the girls, they would laugh him out of site, but if a woman wants to play football with the boys, and she doesn’t get her way, then there is a bunch of media attention, and threatening of lawsuits.
I disagree with this post. There usually are male volleyball teams, so if you are male you play with the males. [/quote]
There aren’t any male volleyball teams in my region and boys aren’t allowed to play on the girls team.
Some males are “extremely talented” at the high school level. If this is the case they may choose to play at a higher level (i.e. club team or higher age level) with competitors of the same gender. Women can do the same.
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So it makes sense that somebody might want to move up in the ranks and it also makes sense that you can’t move down. [/quote]
How does that make sense? If you believe that a girl can play on a boys team because she is very skilled than it would make sense to allow boys to play on girls teams if they suck.
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I do agree with most of the posters on here that practically, while she may have the right to compete with the men, she will get destroyed at the pro level.[/quote]
She would get DESTROYED in Division 3
[quote]tpa wrote:
So it makes sense that somebody might want to move up in the ranks and it also makes sense that you can’t move down.
How does that make sense? If you believe that a girl can play on a boys team because she is very skilled than it would make sense to allow boys to play on girls teams if they suck.
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In theory the idea that a crappy boy should play with the girls does make sense, but in practical terms you would have people faking it so they could be a star in a poorer league.
It is not a perfect world but I do think allowing somebody to move up in level of advancement is fundamentally different that allowing somebody to move down in advancement. A kid should be able to try out for an AP or Gifted class in high school if he/she thinks they can handle it. But a “normal” kid should not be allowed to go to classes with the mentally challenged just because they struggle with a subject. To me sports is the same thing. You should not be limited in your ability to advance because of something you can’t control, but it is okay to be limited in your ability to drop down to another level of competitiveness.
There were two brothers in my area a few years ago that played women’s high school field hockey, maybe the ones someone mentioned a few posts back. They got heckled beyond belief and weren’t even remotely good(probably from lack of experience). They looked mighty funny having to wear those skirts.
[quote]nptitim wrote:
A kid should be able to try out for an AP or Gifted class in high school if he/she thinks they can handle it. But a “normal” kid should not be allowed to go to classes with the mentally challenged just because they struggle with a subject. To me sports is the same thing. [/quote]
What about a kid who performs “below normal” in school? He/She is usually held back with kids younger than them. I get what you’re trying to say, I just think this is a poor comparison.
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You should not be limited in your ability to advance because of something you can’t control, but it is okay to be limited in your ability to drop down to another level of competitiveness.[/quote]
I’m not against allowing athletes to compete at a higher level. I’m saying they should find a higher level of competition within their own gender.
Like I said earlier. If a girl is a great soccer player, why does she have to play with boys? Why doesn’t she play against better girls? There are many club teams, women’s leagues, etc. that could provide a higher level of competition for gifted athletes.
Eeew. She looks so androgynous.
No chance at all as a lineman… however, if she practices nothing but longsnapping for the next 5 years or so, maybe she could get good enough at that… well, probably not, but that’s the only remote possibility. She could try to be a longsnapper for field goals/punts. Then again, the longsnapper still has to cover punts, so not much of a chance of that working out either. If she wants to try though, that’s her one chance.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
You’d be suprised how few NFL players actually squat 525. Big college linebackers are often in the 450-475 range-granted raw.
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I’ll take your word for it; but I’m sure that they all bench way more than 205 (heck Reggie Bush can do 25 reps of 225)… and that’s a little running back.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
panther2k wrote:
Venus Williams would win about 5 points over a five set match against a professional male tennis player.
Tennis is not a contact sport.
Bad example.
She’ll get trampled.[/quote]
Wasn’t my example, just saying women can’t compete with men in tennis. Obviously, the discrepancy in football would be even greater because it is based more on raw strength and power than technique.
[quote]tpa wrote:
jjoseph_x wrote:
Still, she might at least be able to play division 2 football;
No chance in hell.
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She’s 310lbs and only 15 years old (and pretty good squat and deadlift numbers).
If she trains like crazy, and goes up to, say 330-340, she’d certainly have the size to play on the O line.
I’m not saying that she’d start, but she could possibly be a backup on a Division 2 team… assuming that she has the skill to go with it.
[quote]tpa wrote:
You don’t know the full story about what happened at McGill.
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I guess not…
[quote]tpa wrote:
Anybody who thinks this girl (or any female for that matter) has a snowball’s chance in hell of playing football at the college level has never played competitive organized football before.
Also I agree with barnyfife that there is a ridiculous double standard that applies when females want to play on all male teams vs. when males want to play on all female teams.
Does anybody remember that guy who played girls field hockey? Everybody hated him and called him a jerk…but as soon as some girl decides to play with the boys she is a hero.
I coach high school football. If a girl tried to use some equality law or ruling to get a try-out with my team, I would put her in full contact drills against our best hitters all practice until she quit or got hurt.
If girls want to play football then they should start their own team.
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While I don’t agree with women playing on mens’ teams for the same reason that you do… I can at least understand why.
If the men are the best, wouldn’t you want to play with or against the best?
If were a woman and I played football, I’d want to play in on the men’s highschool, or college teams or in the NFL because that’s the highest level of competition. It might not be realistic (it isn’t for the majority of guys, far less girls), but there’s nothing wrong with wanting to play with the best.
It’s the same for Annika Sorenstam (or however you spell it) or Michelle Wie… would they rather test their skills against some anonymous female golfers or against the likes of Tiger Woods?
[quote]tpa wrote:
Like I said earlier. If a girl is a great soccer player, why does she have to play with boys? Why doesn’t she play against better girls? There are many club teams, women’s leagues, etc. that could provide a higher level of competition for gifted athletes.
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But what there are girls who are great at a given sport and the other girls in the highscool all suck and these girls as good as the boys or better?
For example there’s a woman who play college ball who’s 6’4" and can dunk pretty well (I think she even won the dunk competition at the McDonald’s All-American game… she shouldn’t have, but it was still a nice dunk). If she went to my highschool, she better than most of the guys on the Basketball team.
She’d probably want to play with the guys just for the sake of having a challenge.