Female Metrosexual?

I think vixen is the correct term for what Gojira is describing. I certainly don’t think it is a Female Metrosexual.

Metros wear make up, apply lotion, don’t want to break their finely manicured fingernails, and certainly wouldn’t dig in a garden. They might get all icky. They want everything that you don’t.

I still don’t see how people can say “if you like chicks that lift weights, then you have to like metros”. They are worlds apart, unless you are suggesting that metros are really women who lift weights. Then I would agree with you.

By the way, I still think Gojira has one of the finest female physiques around.

You want me to give them a name?

Hmmmm…

manlysexuals?
sweatysexuals?
uh . . . workoncarratherthanshopsexuals?

Cut some slack I just came up with those on the spot.

[quote]kroby wrote:
The original question was what do you call a woman that follows non traditional girl interests (working on cars vs. shopping; weight training vs. manicure/pedicure; beer vs. wine; leather vs. lace).

Your answer is?[/quote]

[quote]Northcott wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
I absolutely agree. Anyone on this board who derides metrosexuals and then praises women for building big muscles is an idiot.

I’d love to hear the rationale behind that.

The image of the metrosexual has grown into a preening narccisist possessed of little strength of character, and obsessed with shallow, near meaningless things. Social submission taken to an extreme, adopting name brand identities in lieu of a personality of their own.

The image of the grown tomboy or “testosterone woman” is of one who ignores social constraints in pursuit of a genuine expression of who they are.

It makes perfect sense to deride the one if you appreciate the other.[/quote]

This would all be fine and dandy if that was what people consider metrosexual around here. There’s an interesting mentality behind many of T-Nation’s members that dicates that if you God forbid take a shower or use aftershave, you’re a metrosexual. That anyone who doesn’t strive to be 250 lbs of pure muscle, eating five lbs of steak a day, and crusading for traditional male values, is a stupid metrosexual not worthy of respect.

There is a balance that needs to be struck. Just as those five or whatever Italian guys are the epitomy of what it means to suck ass at life, so are those who are quick to label a guy as a metro because, unlike himself, he wants to be skinny, he cares how he looks, etc. Too many T-Nationers are looking at extremes, and not understanding that there are very few people at these.

It is a ridiculous proposition to say a women that lifts hard, is active, likes using her body, is confident and strong but likes to wear makeup and dresses and DOES care about fashion is any less of a T-Vixen than one who doesn’t.

I believe the appropriate term would be an independent woman. That is a woman who can both take care of herself and doesn’t follow mainstream ideals.

Many women claim to be independent, however they end up searching for a sugar daddy and act like a princess when they do.

To be honest, I wish there were more independent women around. It’s quite comforting to know my girl will be safe when she’s out by herself. :slight_smile:

[quote]mikeron wrote:
communist vegan skank[/quote]

Great term. I will have to steal it.

Gojira, where art thou?

[quote]oboffill wrote:
Gojira, where art thou?[/quote]

Oh, I’m around. I was just enjoying the interesting variety of responses to the question.

[quote]christine wrote:

And this is why so many women don’t lift weights. To end up looking “gross” you have to take steroids of some kind.

Do you think it is difficult to gain muscle as a man? How in the hell is the average woman going to look “gross”? How many women do you run accross that lift and look like a she-man?

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A lot of women end up looking gross just because their bodyfat gets so low they lose their womanly shape. It’s not purely a matter of too much muscle. Women should not have big veins on their stomach.

You sound like my definition of the perfect woman!

[quote]gojira wrote:
So there’s been a lot of talk on these boards about metrosexual men: men who veer from the traditional male stereotype and use skincare products, get pedicures and generally are more in touch with their femine side. My question for you is, what do you call the female form? What about women who veer from the traditional female stereotype and are more in touch with their male side. Sexuality aside, is there a name for those women?

I have never been a feminine female. I do not wear make up. I don’t wear jewery. I keep my nails short so that I can use my hands to work on my bike or in the garden. I hate shopping. Fashion is stupid and a waste of time and money. At bike meets I hang with the men while the women go antiqueing (they stopped inviting me a long time ago). I don’t like babies (too many free liquids). I like the hardest, nastiest music I can find for training. I don’t “try” to be one of the guys. I know I never can be. I’m somewhere in between, and I’ve always been this way. And no, I’m not a lesbian. It has nothing to do with my sexuality.

Are women like myself looked down upon as metrosexual men are because we do not follow traditional roles?

Comments? [/quote]

I think your misunderstanding the term metrosexual. Some people on this board make it seem like any man who uses hair care products is metro, but that is simply not the case. A really feminine man isnt metro either. A metro person is one of those really skinny guys with frosted blonde hair, an artificial tan and wearing lots of abercrombie and hollister kinda crap. There is no female equivalent, i guess you could use the term tom boy, but who cares right? lots of men find that attractive, the same way lots of prostitots love the metro dudes. So its all good, your still hot.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
This would all be fine and dandy if that was what people consider metrosexual around here. There’s an interesting mentality behind many of T-Nation’s members that dicates that if you God forbid take a shower or use aftershave, you’re a metrosexual. That anyone who doesn’t strive to be 250 lbs of pure muscle, eating five lbs of steak a day, and crusading for traditional male values, is a stupid metrosexual not worthy of respect.
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I’ve no doubt that there are a few of those around. Couple knee-jerk homophobes, too. I automatically tune out fringe wackos – or try to. Signal to noise ratio, y’know?

I think that the concept of the metrosexual equating with shallow values holds for most; a person defined by things ceases to have a definition. To that extent, yes, many a bodybuilder has fallen into a very similar trap.

Is there a female equivilant? Certainly. Our society is a foolishly materialistic one, and the insanity of gender role restrictions in the Victorian era pretty much relegated women to pursuing shallow, silly ends if they were to be socially ‘proper’. As a society, we’re still dealing with the massive dysfunction that Victorian ‘values’ inflicted upon us as a whole, and slowly growing out of it. It’s still far more acceptable for women to pursue the shallow ends of vanity – particularly in wealthier circles – whereas the trap for men lays in judgement through accrual. Both are equally shallow and (imho) reprehensible.

I think part of the backlash against the Metro comes from the shake-up of complacency. We accept certain behaviours not because they’re productive or proper, but simply because we’re used to them by tradition. When the image is reflected in the mirror, sometimes the faults become more clear. The Metro bothers people of a certain inclination, and so they pick the image apart to see what it is that irks them. They usually compile a list of minor things and then stop before they hit the true heart of the matter (though, for many I’m sure, it’s the small things that do the trick).

I think we’ve seen the same for women as attempts at equal rights have climbed into our society. It’s often been voiced as a complaint that women who enter the business world encounter a double standard: if they act like the men do, they’re labelled for it. The thing is, the behaviours that earn the label are usually reprehensible: treating employees like dirt, being a hardass when compassion or diplomacy would be a better route, etc.

Are such behaviours more accepted in men in the business world? Yes. That doesn’t validate them, however. The paradigm needs to be shifted; instead of using sexism as an excuse and validation, it should be looked at as a clear indicator that, in all likelihood, we’re just behaving in a damned stupid way. Some of the most successful business leaders have discovered that a shift away from the bullying behaviour has yielded better company moral, and greater productivity.

I think I’ll cut my blather off at this point. This is long-winded enough. :slight_smile:

[quote]
the term you are looking for is “awesome”[/quote]

Haha, way to rip the thought right out of my mind.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
All I see are double standards, people judging by extremes, and no one looking for the middle ground.

1 - “Tomboys are sexy, metroseuxals are stupid retards” is NOT a statement any intelligent person can make.
2 - Not every metrosexual is gay.
3 - Being a tomboy is not always a sign of an independent, strong-willed woman.
4 - The rest of the famale population doesn’t “not do shit because they’re afriad they’ll like, break a nail.”
5 - Judging a man’s worth based on antique values is quite an odd thing to do.

I could give a shit about how you act. Personally, I don’t find “tomboys” attractive. I don’t think being a tomboy means that you are instantly a strong-willed individual, nor do I find women snorting caps then deadlifting 350 lbs sexy. Neither do I think a man is a pussy, or a fag, or a worthless human being if he takes care of how he looks, or if, God forbid, he shows emotion every now and then.

What I find attractive, what I find respectful, and what I find necessary, is a middle ground. A man is not a man if he is a wall. A man is not a man if he doesn’t love. And a chick isn’t hot if all she cares about are her nails, nor is she hot if all she cares about is taking a shit, drinking a beer, and chopping down a tree. Think Daoist.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more.

I have to say that I am impressed by the thought going into the majority of the posts on this.
My own thoughts,
A woman with muscle is extremely attractive, but not enhanced - obviously.
One thing that kinda irks me is when you see an attractive woman “dressed” but no makeup what so ever. What is that?
Make up appropriatly applied just gives that finished look.
On the other hand, when it is just gobbed on it does look trashy.
My opine is that Vixen would be the correct term.
I think to most “serious” people frivolousness is an unattractive quality weather in male or female gender.
I know that what you wear or what you do or dont do is personal and up to each individual, but for me I like it when a woman goes to that little bit of extra trouble, it just makes such a difference.
As for males getting their nails done and all similar stuff, I dont get it and glad I dont.
However I am clean and well kept, but have never been called feminine.
I think thats how a man should be.

[quote]zedhed wrote:
One thing that kinda irks me is when you see an attractive woman “dressed” but no makeup what so ever. What is that?
Make up appropriatly applied just gives that finished look.[/quote]

I wear makeup very infrequently. I don’t see a real purpose for putting chemical derivatives on my face so that I look my best or some crap like that. If my best is made up, well that’s sad isn’t it?

In response to gojira’s question, yes I think we are treated differently for not following traditional roles. I don’t know that we are looked down upon, but I find that most women just can’t relate to me.

[quote]sic wrote:
I wear makeup very infrequently. I don’t see a real purpose for putting chemical derivatives on my face so that I look my best or some crap like that. If my best is made up, well that’s sad isn’t it?[/quote]

I feel the same way about women and makeup (I’m a man). Bags under your eyes? Get some sleep. No color in your face? Get some sun. Acne? Stop eating junk food.

A woman does her hair and takes care of her health, and I’m pleased as punch.

I think I remember someone asking for more pictures. I think this should happen. DO IT NOW!

Thank you in advance for your compliance.

V