Estrogen added to it, or small small doses of that “MENT” roid, I guess. Estrogen is probably better for u, if that is the case.
Its just stupid, I mean nobody should suffer with shit libido doing testosterone, it makes no sense, the correct reaction for a mammal on testosterone is INCREASED libido, that is literally what it “does” in nature … so us suffering, having problems, limp cock or “not feeling it” makes no sense what so ever.
And if its not too high estrogen … well maybe the problem is the other way around, too low (relative to androgens).
I’ve done this with a few guys. Seemed to help them, they were on the low (<20) side with E2. With myself, can’t say it did much of anything. Mine is not particularly high or low, 60-80.
I am willing to try anything at this point hence i got Masteron and primo on hand.
Dug up old blood work on 175mg of T and 875 iU of HCG weekly, dosing EOD, my E2 was 48 on scale that went up to 40 not sure if sensitive or not. That’s the highest I ever got it. TT was 1273 and FT was 33.
If I am to play devils advocate for pro E2 maybe seen the number climb higher and me feeling like crap was just me feeling off with too much androgen overload with not enough E2? Another possible devils advocate for E2 here I can maybe argue is feeling better on less fequency in where maybe I get some relief in where T starts dropping and E2 had just caught up with conversion and it’s at a perfect crossroad more near trough.
How do we explain though the initial good feeling when we pop AI, maybe it doesn’t work long term but why sometimes(not always) initially does it seem like a life saver to us?
People often times say they “feel better” a couple days AFTER injection day … the response is usually: “Well cause ur estrogen gets decreased” …
Really?
The truth is that androgens spikes first, HARD … and then, aromatisation takes place - that is, after a couple days, the estrogen gets higher … but the first day or two, androgens are way higher than estrogens.
Regarding the initial good feeling with AI, which ive experienced aswell: I dont know yet, I guess that requires some more broscience brainpower, gotta try to come up with something.
Try the primo and/or mast with test, see how u feel. U feel worse? Well, maybe then try some estrogen (or dbol) instead.
I am with defy and they offer estrogen treatment I may just call them tomorrow and talk about it. If this doesn’t work I will just settle with what ever life gives me and stop trying to find solutions.
What was your E2 pre TRT? My E2 was untraceable at under 12 lol.
My shbg usually hangs around in the low 20s, so it’s not low low. Was in the high teens I think on one blood work, that was a deviation form the norm tho.
By the way, if u are interested in the podcast where broderick talks about getting test mixed with estrogen back in the day, here it is:
This was the podcast making me reconseridering this stuff regarding estrogen, as both broderick and lyle are the few only guys i look up to and listen to when it comes to this stuff.
I know we are talking a bit in circles, but also interesting you said you did really well with primo, even when dosing higher than test. That also adds more to this puzzle than answers. How long did you run that primo cruise? Also maybe I am wrong but we only ever here finasteride making things worse for people in the libido department, and never better, have to factor that as well I would think.