Tomorrow at 9am is my follow up so I’m sure we will draw blood again.
D 1,25 is the active form of Vitamin D. D 25 (the one they normally check) is just stored up and doesn’t actually do anything. It’s like T4, and D1,25 is like T3. PTH is parathyroid hormone. It is produced by 4 glands in your neck that exist behind the thyroid. This hormone causes the conversion of D to raise your serum calcium levels. When one or more of these overproduces (hyperparathyroidism) you have low D-25, high D 1,25, and high calcium. If your calcium is near or above top of range, your PTH should be at the bottom or below it’s range. They should never be high or low at the same time. If one is high, the other should be low. PTH has a half life of 5 minutes, because your body requires a very tight control on it’s calcium level to operate correctly. High calcium over time causes hardening of soft tissues, like arteries, ruins kidneys, makes you moody and miserable, and eventually kills you. It is also rare and frequently undiagnosed for long periods because of that rarity. Doctors know next to nothing about it generally. Low Vit D will also jack with your T levels.
The TSH was 1.67 with range of .5-6
Is that helpful?
Could his Vit D be so low because it is the dead of winter and he has not been in the sun with his shirt off for the last 6 months?
If he goes out in the sun the rest of the year without sunblock he should store up enough to carry him pretty easily, actually. The big problem many have is that they don’t get sun when it’s not winter either. 15 mins a day with arms and face exposed gives you more than a supplement will.
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Yes the thyroid meds you want are t4/t3. T3 is like free T. This t3 is the free hormone available for use like free t. Doesn’t matter how much t4 you have if it’s not converting to t3.
TSH is an indicator that Isn’t accurate because it doesn’t tell you if your t3 is abundant.
Anyways get the test and show the results. If your low it will be very beneficial to use the thyroid meds.
The meds worked for me in day 1. I took it and 1 hour later I started to feel alive and more calm. Until then I was taking trt for 3 months with very little benefit. My labido was better with trt but depression, fatigue and sleep were horrible. Occasionally I’d feel better and think it’s working, but that would dissapeared shortly after.
1.67 isn’t bad. You are probably fine, but you might not be if no t3. Read my post below.
It’s loke saying I have 1200 t serum… then u look at free t and it’s a 5… make sense?
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Hey guys, just took my first dose, stabbed my self in the office with .25 dose. Going 200mg across two weeks spread into 1/4 every 3.5 days. Dr went straight to injection vs every other option. Took blood again and testing all the other markers plus thyroid t3 and t4. He knew his stuff and was very confident I should start. Thank you!! Let’s see where this journey takes me, hopefully it’s the answer!
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Good you have someone whose better than the majority of docs out there.
I train pretty hard, and have borderline low levels (upper 300s for total). I love training, and I think my training is probably harder than most who claim they train hard, but obviously others do train harder.
If the level of reduction of testosterone from training you claim is true, can training become a valid reason to start TRT? I am not willing to stop training.
I mean I have dialed things back at times, and try to recover as well as I can, but to make progress at a certain point the training is going to be a large stress.
No it’s normal for the body to fluctuate. The problem is when your body doesn’t re produce back to the level.
Fasted from food? I’ve never heard this before. And I do agree, that if he lays off the intense weights and sports for a while his T will probably go up. BUT, do you really think its appropriate to call that a “real T level” … If a person is active, then THAT is where there T would normally be.
I just mean that for it to be accurate, you would just go about your daily life, because that’s how you live. You wouldn’t quit working out to get another 100 points on your test, what would be the point!
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You need to be fasted from food for proper lipids. Most complete male blood tests include lipids and CBC’s
I believe going on TRT just so one might be able to workout harder is a pretty bad idea. TRT is nothing like natural production of T. Yes it will allow you to put on a little more muscle but there are many bad sides we are just finding out. When your pituitary gland shuts down LH and FSH hormones what else shuts down besides your balls?
Why do so many guys on TRt complain their dicks loose half its sensivitivity?
If the boy want to get big for a while then cycle and stay the hell away from sticking yourself 2-3 times aweek for the rest of your life.
I’m not willing to cycle with my natural levels. If I have to recover for several months to get to 375 maybe 400 ng/dl, I fear I would lose all my gains. I may not get back to those levels either. I would consider a cycle of on trt, because after I will still have good levels.
I do try to manage stress and recovery, but to make it to the level of strength I want, I am currently riding the line, and I have to hold myself back, or I’ll go down a terrible path that ends with insomnia. Once insomnia starts it requires dialing things way back.
I agree don’t start trt unless it’s for health. I won’t lie you worried me a bit with your comments and I’m thinking “what am I not being told”. What are the negatives that we’re finding out? Curious mind here. You’ve been doing this much longer than I.
Interesting that you speak on the sensitivity. I had serious sensitivity issues and got my lab results which pointed to high e2. Super high t and free t. I dropped to 2 clicks and days later my labido and sensitivity returned to a point where I feel normal. Not too much not too little… jsut perfect atm. I hope the sensitivity issue is not real.
I think for anyone startling trt they must focus on optimizing the entire body to avoid negative consequences. However I jsut don’t find any long term negatives that arise from being on a therapeutical dose. I do see and read of negative consequences from people cycling on and off hormones. it sounds like everyone who cycled more than once or twice eventually has issues and starts trt . I just wouldn’t touch any form of hormones if my hormones are healthy. People dose hormones likes it’s tylenol. I wonder if they even do the research before sticking themselves. I honestly don’t think most do.
To me trt is better than natural. Especially at 40 and above: it gives you way more energy and quality of life. I’d really be interested in any findings that show any negatives of long term use: I’ve got many decades ahead of me.
I never said this. I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying.
I’m saying his level TT when they first checked WAS his natural level. If he stops working out, the number may come up, but what will that accomplish? He has effectively stopped doing what he normally does (working out, fighting), so his TT would not be indicative of his “normal”
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I think that was supposed to be a response to me? I would not do trt just to be stronger. I have other issues as well. Insomnia is the worst one, and not only after hard training.
Guys I’m not sure if this is addressed at me but I’m having a lot more issues than just my workouts. I stated I work out like a madman to exaggerate and make a point that it’s not a lack of exercise. I don’t punish my body beyond repair. And FYI I took more blood today. We’re also looking at my thyroid. I eat healthy, sleep pretty well and work out. Not really a lot to change there to get my T up. I’ve been feeling like shit for a while now, energy and irritability at an all time high and I’ve been on every ssri snri etc. with no improvement. If this improves my quality of life then I’m game
If you have low t yes and same with thyroid. Low t and low Thyroid symptoms are almost exactly the same. Chronic fatigue and depression and etc.
Hang in there it can take some time to come together.