post the pics of your college wrestling mantard…
I have some , somewhere that make me look like the 140lb critic.
kmc
Meat,
Is there an advantage to using a low bar position for a raw lifter? High bar feels more natural and keeps my torso more upright, which would seem to be an advantage for an un-equipped lifter.
Thank you,
Andre
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Meat,
Is there an advantage to using a low bar position for a raw lifter? High bar feels more natural and keeps my torso more upright, which would seem to be an advantage for an un-equipped lifter.
Thank you,
Andre[/quote]
i’m a raw lifter and use a low bar position. a low bar position does a couple things- it puts the bar over the hips and shortens the range of motion. now there are degrees of high and low bar position. mine isn’t really low but it’s definitely not a high position. if you can keep an upright torso with a high bar, by all means stick to it. most people switch to a low bar position because using a high bar position tends to bend them over and put the weight in front of them.
i’ve always said - use what works for you. there is no such thing as a universal perfect form for everyone.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
aeyogi wrote:
Meat,
Is there an advantage to using a low bar position for a raw lifter? High bar feels more natural and keeps my torso more upright, which would seem to be an advantage for an un-equipped lifter.
Thank you,
Andre
i’m a raw lifter and use a low bar position. a low bar position does a couple things- it puts the bar over the hips and shortens the range of motion. now there are degrees of high and low bar position. mine isn’t really low but it’s definitely not a high position. if you can keep an upright torso with a high bar, by all means stick to it. most people switch to a low bar position because using a high bar position tends to bend them over and put the weight in front of them.
i’ve always said - use what works for you. there is no such thing as a universal perfect form for everyone.
[/quote]
Thanks for the response, I have been lurking on this thread for a while. Much of the advice you give to others applies to my lifts.
Meat, trying to get a handle on what you’re doing for a workout scheme and what kind of % you’re using. It looks like you bench every 5th or 6th day but the deads and squats seem more variable. And do you think this kind of training would suit a less advance lifter like myself or do I need more ass. exercises then you do. If you find time would you be kind enough to write it down here. Thanks, Steve
[quote]ecogenx wrote:
Meat, trying to get a handle on what you’re doing for a workout scheme and what kind of % you’re using. It looks like you bench every 5th or 6th day but the deads and squats seem more variable. And do you think this kind of training would suit a less advance lifter like myself or do I need more ass. exercises then you do. If you find time would you be kind enough to write it down here. Thanks, Steve[/quote]
it would be hard to see a pattern in my training lately. between the three of us (training parnters), we’ve had stuff come up. we’ve had to take some days off. when we are all here, we traing three days a week- bench, squat and deadlift. i set up 4 week cycles where i run the same first ME for all four weeks. i usually experiment on the first week to find a weight that i can get a triple with it. then each week i try to add 10-20lbs to that lift each week. the second movement is sometimes a speed movement, another ME or a RE type of movement. as for accessory stuff, i usually do one, maybe two movements. overall, the volume is low. it’s been working well, even for Jowee, who hasn’t been at it for very long.
i think most people have way too much volume in their training. it took me a long time to just limit myself to getting the important work done and then get the hell out. i’m much more rested, stronger and less injuries now.
if you need me to elaborate on anything, let me know. i’d be happy to help bro.
Thanks Meat.
So for my next cycle say I can deadlift 500x3(figure 3 rep for bench and squat too). Would I on week one work up to 500x1 then week 2 work up to 520x1, week 3 540x1, week 4 580x1, week 5 deload? And only have limited ass. exercises like you’ve been doing. I think I’ve been increasing volume and lifting over 90% to often. I was just reading over your thread and thinking your weights are huge but your amount of working sets is low.
I have a question regarding bench grip. I have recently switched to a false grip (thumb on the same side of the bar as fingers) on all my barbell lifts and have started using wrist wraps with the wrap near my thumb nuckle (as you previosly advised) on flat bench. My workout partner just bought Starting Strength and Rippetoe says you would be “crazy” to use a false grip on the flat bench for safety reasons. Which grip do you advise? How bent, if at all should my wrists be? I don’t see a real safety problem with the false grip, and I like it better, but this concerned me a bit. Also, I want to minimize tendinitis issues. But Rippetoe seems to be pretty respected. Thanks once again for your time and sage advice,
Jack
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
I have a question regarding bench grip. I have recently switched to a false grip (thumb on the same side of the bar as fingers) on all my barbell lifts and have started using wrist wraps with the wrap near my thumb nuckle (as you previosly advised) on flat bench. My workout partner just bought Starting Strength and Rippetoe says you would be “crazy” to use a false grip on the flat bench for safety reasons. Which grip do you advise? How bent, if at all should my wrists be? I don’t see a real safety problem with the false grip, and I like it better, but this concerned me a bit. Also, I want to minimize tendinitis issues. But Rippetoe seems to be pretty respected. Thanks once again for your time and sage advice,
Jack [/quote]
you are going to find that everyone has an opinion. it’s hard sometimes to wade through it all to find what is best for you.
I guess I’m crazy, as are many, many other lifters. I’ve used a false grip for as long as i can remember. obviously there is that chance that the bar can slip out of your hands. you will just have to weigh the pros and cons. i’ve actually dropped a bar on my chest. but it wasn’t because of the grip. i was careless and threw the bar back and it hit the uprights.
i’m definitely stronger with a false grip because the bar stays right over my forearms. if you are casting your wrists correctly then they shouldn’t bend back at all.
i really have a problem with those that dismiss a different training technique as “crazy”.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
jjackkrash wrote:
I have a question regarding bench grip. I have recently switched to a false grip (thumb on the same side of the bar as fingers) on all my barbell lifts and have started using wrist wraps with the wrap near my thumb nuckle (as you previosly advised) on flat bench. My workout partner just bought Starting Strength and Rippetoe says you would be “crazy” to use a false grip on the flat bench for safety reasons. Which grip do you advise? How bent, if at all should my wrists be? I don’t see a real safety problem with the false grip, and I like it better, but this concerned me a bit. Also, I want to minimize tendinitis issues. But Rippetoe seems to be pretty respected. Thanks once again for your time and sage advice,
Jack
you are going to find that everyone has an opinion. it’s hard sometimes to wade through it all to find what is best for you.
I guess I’m crazy, as are many, many other lifters. I’ve used a false grip for as long as i can remember. obviously there is that chance that the bar can slip out of your hands. you will just have to weigh the pros and cons. i’ve actually dropped a bar on my chest. but it wasn’t because of the grip. i was careless and threw the bar back and it hit the uprights.
i’m definitely stronger with a false grip because the bar stays right over my forearms. if you are casting your wrists correctly then they shouldn’t bend back at all.
i really have a problem with those that dismiss a different training technique as “crazy”.
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Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. I think I’ll stick with the false grip and keep working on casting my wrists correctly.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
PeteS wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
mcl wrote:
Meat -
You’ve been powerlifting for 5 years. I’m curious…what were your weights when you started? I’m just wondering because I find it interesting (and a challenge) to see how far others have progressed in a given period of time.
One day, I hope to be lifting something heavier than your warm-up sets. 
i was a bodybuilder before powerlifting. lifting heavy wasn’t a priority. my best bench was 315, squat was 495 and deadlift was 495. i consider myself to still be a relative newbie to this sport. i wish i had started younger but what can you do.
alright MM, we have all been in cahoots: it is time to call you out on your BB days. Post pics or it didn’t happen:)
when my wife gets back tomorrow i’ll get her to scan some and i’ll put them up. to make it interesting, i’ll put some up of when i first started bodybuilding at 18. i weighed all of 190lbs
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And what happened to this?
So for my next cycle say I can deadlift 500x3(figure 3 rep for bench and squat too). Would I on week one work up to 500x1 then week 2 work up to 520x1, week 3 540x1, week 4 580x1, week 5 deload? And only have limited ass. exercises like you’ve been doing. I think I’ve been increasing volume and lifting over 90% to often. I was just reading over your thread and thinking your weights are huge but your amount of working sets is low.
[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
PeteS wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
mcl wrote:
Meat -
You’ve been powerlifting for 5 years. I’m curious…what were your weights when you started? I’m just wondering because I find it interesting (and a challenge) to see how far others have progressed in a given period of time.
One day, I hope to be lifting something heavier than your warm-up sets.
i was a bodybuilder before powerlifting. lifting heavy wasn’t a priority. my best bench was 315, squat was 495 and deadlift was 495. i consider myself to still be a relative newbie to this sport. i wish i had started younger but what can you do.
alright MM, we have all been in cahoots: it is time to call you out on your BB days. Post pics or it didn’t happen:)
when my wife gets back tomorrow i’ll get her to scan some and i’ll put them up. to make it interesting, i’ll put some up of when i first started bodybuilding at 18. i weighed all of 190lbs
And what happened to this?[/quote]
i keep forgetting to ask my wife to scan the pics. i just asked her and will get them up. you WON’T recognize me.
[quote]ecogenx wrote:
So for my next cycle say I can deadlift 500x3(figure 3 rep for bench and squat too). Would I on week one work up to 500x1 then week 2 work up to 520x1, week 3 540x1, week 4 580x1, week 5 deload? And only have limited ass. exercises like you’ve been doing. I think I’ve been increasing volume and lifting over 90% to often. I was just reading over your thread and thinking your weights are huge but your amount of working sets is low.[/quote]
shit… i answered this yesterday but it didn’t show up. sorry bro.
i would stay away from full ROM movements with this progressive approach. stick to partial movements. recently, i’ve been doing full ROM work but i still haven’t reached my actual 1 RM yet. once i reach it, i won’t be able to do it anymore. you won’t be able to recover. i would also stay away from the heavy singles. do 3x3. i do 3x3 in a different way though. i’m sure to get the first set for 3 reps but then i usually get 2 or even 1 rep on the next two. i don’t go to failure on this stuff. always keep a rep in reserve. 20lb just may be too much as well. shoot for at least 5 but if you can swing it, go for 10lb jumps.
bottom line is that i’ve primed my body to put forth maximum effort in a very few number of sets and then do the bare minimum on accessory work. rest, i’ve found actually makes me stronger than if i was to train more. i haven’t squatted in two weeks and tonight i hit an easy 655. i felt totally rested and ready to go.
if your main goal is strength, rest should be your main concern. resting and eating… that is.
set up a routine and i will give it a look.
Thanks for your help Meat. I’m putting something together now. I’ll post it tomorrow.
Would something like this be OK for a 3 or 4 week cycle:
saturday
rackpull-work up to 3 rep max, beat previous weeks
ab roll out or GHR
chiup or bb row
sunday
3 board press-work up to 3 rep max, beat previous weeks
RE bench 1-2 sets with 80-85%
tri roll outs
tue or wed
DE or RE low box squat-work on my depth problem
lunge
military press
[quote]ecogenx wrote:
Would something like this be OK for a 3 or 4 week cycle:
saturday
rackpull-work up to 3 rep max, beat previous weeks
ab roll out or GHR
chiup or bb row
sunday
3 board press-work up to 3 rep max, beat previous weeks
RE bench 1-2 sets with 80-85%
tri roll outs
tue or wed
DE or RE low box squat-work on my depth problem
lunge
military press[/quote]
on rack pull day, i would follow it up with some speed work of 6 sets of 3 with 50%, the rack pulls i would do as a 3x3 the way i set them up. follow up with bent over rows for 3 sets of 10. then finish with abs
on bench day do the RE bench as a warmup for the 3 board. once you reach your 3 board weight then move to the 3 board. do 3x3 with the boards, then follow up with 1 set of paused bench. each week attempt to add 5 to 10lbs to a 4 rep paused set leaving one rep in the tank.
finish with a tricep variation. i like to switch my tricep variations up. i wouldn’t do the same one for all 4 weeks.
on squat day, do the RE squats as a warmup. then do paused squats off pins for 3x3. you could then do speed squats for 6 sets of 3. then follow up with accessory work.
i think this would be a very simple program but very effective. the key will be what you put into the core lift for that day though. go balls to the wall and really strive to up that weight each week, but do your best to NOT go to failure on those.
can’t wait to see how it works for you.
This looks great. Starting tomorrow. The only exercise I worry about is the squats off pins. I won’t be able to get my immobile fat ass under a low pin height. But maybe it’ll help stretch things out. Thanks a lot.
[quote]ecogenx wrote:
This looks great. Starting tomorrow. The only exercise I worry about is the squats off pins. I won’t be able to get my immobile fat ass under a low pin height. But maybe it’ll help stretch things out. Thanks a lot.[/quote]
yeah… that’s the whole point. if you have to start a little high and work down to where you are starting at parallel.
