[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
Cardiovascularly speaking sapp is 10 times as fit as Lesnar. Strength wise Sapp blows lesnar out of the water. Lb for lb lesnar probably has a little strength on sapp. I believe Lesnar’s MMA career will eventually look as lackluster as Sapp’s.
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Speaking of water…did anyone see Sapp vs. Norte? Sapp sure was carrying a lot of water…interesting…well maybe not.
Anyways…correct me if I’m wrong,but Sapp seemed to gas quick…or either just give up after a while. Or maybe it was both.
I think Lesnar can be very good. I don’t think he beats Fedor and I think Nog has the style to beat Lesnar as long as there is not a quick stoppage.
Though nobody really knows what will happen. In two years maybe Lesnar becomes just a good HW. There are alot of things we don’t know about him. I guess he should have KO power but he didn’t finish Heath and Randy has been stopped by a LHW. I don’t know what kind of chin he has yet. Or when things are not going his way how will he react. I would hate to see him with Fedor in his guard, now or two years from now.
I just do not know it is all just speculation now. We can say he might become dominant or maybe he loses to Nog and gets beat by Valasquez.
I read alot about Gonzaga after he knocked out Crocop. He was the favorite against Randy. Big, strong, powerful with world class BJJ and good stand-up. Today he is just another promising HW.
[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
Sapp, of late, has looked how I expected him to look all along.
But he had a pretty decent run in the begining. He also got a HUGE fan following in Japan. Similar to what we’re going to see with Lesnar here
Don’t forget… Sapp beat Tamura his second fight. They fed Tamura the green Sapp in hopes that he would get his career back on track.
Tamura had an impressive resume of his own.
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Tamura at best is 185 pounds. That was less than half what Sapp weighed for that fight. Less than half! I don’t think they though Tamura was going to win that fight.
[quote]drewh wrote:
I meant in his terms he’s stronger and bigger than Lesnar.[/quote]
So how does that substantiate an argument of Sapp being a better athlete? But,yes,Sapp is bigger and stronger than Lesnar. Which doesn’t hold water to actual skill and technique…AND mental toughness…things that Sapp falls a tad short on as an mma fighter.
As far as Brock,his skill and technique is actually showing an improvement…and its safe to say that maybe Brock has bigger edge in mental toughness than the “more experienced” Sapp. But lets wait and see what happens to Brock when shit really hits the fan in a fight.
[quote]otoko wrote:
I read alot about Gonzaga after he knocked out Crocop. He was the favorite against Randy. Big, strong, powerful with world class BJJ and good stand-up. Today he is just another promising HW.
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I must admit,I was one of the many who jumped on the Gonzaga bandwagon. But how can you not like “man-bear-pig” after head kicking Cro Cop?
He has all the tools…except maybe his clinching and wrestling…which was evident against Randy…but I hate to say that maybe his mental game is severely lacking. He should have destroyed Werdum. If he gets his shit together,he’ll be holding HW belt in short time.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I also don’t really see him having any way of beating Brock other than a KO. And Brock proved he’s got a decent chin in his fight with Couture. Gonzaga is not going to take Lesnar down, so if it winds up on the ground, Lesnar will be the one taking it there and be the one on top, not good for Gonzaga.
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I don’t understand this. Regardless of the fact that he thumped Crocop and this latest dude with KOs, he’s a BJJ guy. Honestly, since he’s been in the UFC, I haven’t seen him on the ground much. Randy kept him against the cage, and pretty much ended that fight right after it started by smashing Napao’s nose. I think he’d have a better chance on the ground than standing against Brock, but that’s just me.
First of all, this has a fuck off’s chance of happening, unless Brock leaves the UFC.
Secondly, saying the Fedor hasn’t faced top competition and has ring rust is foolish. He still competes in Sambo tournies and rips peoples faces off as well as he ever did. If anything he has gotten better.
As much as I didn’t want to admit it, Randy was just a bad match up for Brock, and is really too old to be much of a threat. Always a puncher’s chance, but I don’t see him winning much, even if he moves to 205.(where his will be killed by pretty much everyone there too)
Give Brock 3 years or so and see if he pans out to be the prodigy everyone thinks he may be. Then we will be much better able to assess his chances against Fedor.
Because thats the main thing people are attributing Brocks athleticism towards. A lot of heavys are more explosive and faster as Randy said and proved.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Because thats the main thing people are attributing Brocks athleticism towards. A lot of heavys are more explosive and faster as Randy said and proved.[/quote]
with lesnar… i think theres always a huge luck factor.
if he gets lucky and lands one of those huge fists on someone, thatll give him enough time to ground and pound like he always does.
Randy moved better, Randy said Belfort was more explosive and stronger against the cage, Nog moves better, Fedor, the wrestlers, have you even watched Carwin or Valasquez Alexander, Overeem, Cro cop moves better seriously Im done posting when Brock loses his belt in the next fight i will have proven my point.
[quote]Joseb wrote:
with lesnar… i think theres always a huge luck factor.
if he gets lucky and lands one of those huge fists on someone, thatll give him enough time to ground and pound like he always does.
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Luck is when preperation meets opportunity.
I guess anyone with knockout power is simply lucky when they land a punch.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Randy moved better, Randy said Belfort was more explosive and stronger against the cage, Nog moves better, Fedor, the wrestlers, have you even watched Carwin or Valasquez Alexander, Overeem, Cro cop moves better seriously Im done posting when Brock loses his belt in the next fight i will have proven my point.[/quote]
So Randy, Nog, Fedor, “the wrestlers”, Carwin, Velasquez, Alexander, Overeem, and Cro Cop are faster and stonger than Brock.
Good one. Brock is incredibly quick and strong. Let’s take a peek at what he did a few years ago.