Fedor vs Lesnar?

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
There was a point in the clinch where Couture almost had Lenar’s back. Fedor would have had his back.

Fight ends with Fedor rocking Lesnar, taking his back, and chocking him out. Ala Fujita.

Dana White won’t sign Fedor to a one-fight deal for a reason. He knows what happens. Fedor wins.

More interesting is Big Nog v. Lesnar. The refs will be looking for a reason to stop that fight early, since it’s good for the UFC for Lensar to win. Lesnar might rock Nog, sending him down and throwing some punches. A pro-UFC ref will stop that quickly.[/quote]

Yeah, Nog (who in all honesty I think will win the fight against Mir) posses some problems for Brock. He’s probably (next to Fedor) the worst kind of opponent, and biggest test for Brock atm. We’ve already seen that Lesnar is susceptible to submissions and Nog is a better submission guy than Mir. He’s also a better striker.

If Lesnar gets past Nog, then I think it gets interesting as to who out there (besides Fedor) will give him problems.

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Lesnar vs. Fedor is a joke at this point. Contractually a joke, but the biggest joke is thinking Lesnar could hang with Fedor.

Anyone who takes Lesnar beating a 45 year old Couture (who hadn’t fought in a year) as a sign of the some MMA force to be reckoned with has been watching MMA for about 5 minutes.

Because in the past 1.5 years we have seen
Gonzaga beat Cro Cop (17 to 1 odds)
Serra beat GSP (4 to 1 odds)
Rampage over Chuck (4 to 1 odds)

What do these three guys have in common? Besides winning tremendous upsets and either having a belt or fighting for one?
They all lost in the following 1.5 year.

Brock’s win over Randy does nothing to strike fear in the hearts of his heavyweight opponents. What they saw was an incredibly strong man with an ungodly reach who got pushed into the side of a cage for 4 minutes by someone 80 lbs less than him and 14 years older than him.

They also so Brock in worse cardio shape than he was against Herring. They saw that if they can stay within his reach for 3 or 4 rounds he’ll gas.

Brock does not have top notch striking, he fought a guy who he had 10 inches of reach on.

He doesnt have that on Nog.

Brock could probably beat Mir, I don’t know how much that says… Mir’s wreck took a lot out of him.

Could Brock take Gonzaga? That’s a question I’d like to see answered.

Could brock take Overeem? Sylvia? Barnett? Probably not.

Could Brock take Fedor? Are you kidding me?

I hope Brock wins 10 fights in a row before Fedor so Brock nuthugging is at an all time high.

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I like vodka’s outlook on things…

Imo the biggest influence in his fight against Nog will be the Ref. imo if he does win that it’ll be by a BS stoppage.

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[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
Lesnar vs. Fedor is a joke at this point. Contractually a joke, but the biggest joke is thinking Lesnar could hang with Fedor.

Anyone who takes Lesnar beating a 45 year old Couture (who hadn’t fought in a year) as a sign of the some MMA force to be reckoned with has been watching MMA for about 5 minutes.

Because in the past 1.5 years we have seen
Gonzaga beat Cro Cop (17 to 1 odds)
Serra beat GSP (4 to 1 odds)
Rampage over Chuck (4 to 1 odds)

What do these three guys have in common? Besides winning tremendous upsets and either having a belt or fighting for one?
They all lost in the following 1.5 year.

Brock’s win over Randy does nothing to strike fear in the hearts of his heavyweight opponents. What they saw was an incredibly strong man with an ungodly reach who got pushed into the side of a cage for 4 minutes by someone 80 lbs less than him and 14 years older than him.
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This is a bit dishonest for a couple reasons. Randy may be in the best fighting shape of his life. He looked pretty good against Lesnar. Secondly, Brock was at no time in trouble in the clinch, even when his back was against the cage.

He didn’t even contest Randy’s double underhooks until he felt like doing something. When he did make an attempt to make a move, he was able to do so.

This is not the case either. I don’t think you what being gassed means.

World class striking, no. Knockout power, yep.

So is he capable of knocking Nog out? Has Nog shown that he is capable of knocking Brock out? Do you think Nog’s plan would be to strike with Brock?

It’s pretty obvious that nothting Brock does will say anthing for you.

This to me is going to be his biggest test.

Overeem, yes. Sylvia, absolutly. Barnett, probably not but I would love to see it.

[quote]
Could Brock take Fedor? Are you kidding me?

I hope Brock wins 10 fights in a row before Fedor so Brock nuthugging is at an all time high.[/quote]

And you will some excuse for every single one of his fights.

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Not again!

Practically everything woohitter said is unreal, outright ridiculous.
Fedor didn’t fought as much contenders as he could, but he kept himself busy good enough. People talk as if various Sambo world titles and the match against Sylvia was nothing.

Even Lindland, while not a big threat was interesting in so far that the weight disparity was clearly a lot less of a factor then with Couture-Lesnar.

Even Hong Man Choi
was a nice fight, this guy has solid korean wrestling credentials and participates in K1 because it’s easier there to dominate with size and the money and poon is better.

I agree there is no way White will allow that a Fyodor-Brock fight to happen, it’s simply a tactician’s move, and a good one.
White has all the advantages on his side to even talk about this “potential bout”(total bullshit in reality).

If Fedor loses to Arlovski (most likely through MKO- Miracle KO), he’ll be more then happy to arrange a fight between the Belarussian and Brock, to forever point out how overrated the Russian really was and to promote UFC grandeur -since Arlovski is for the most part a UFC product.

If Fedor dismantles both Arlovski and Nog/Mir, well, those damn jew shysters just wouldn’t budge with their demands.

Also, people point out how much Lesnar will learn.
Will he?

He has developed a serious right hand, I give him that. Apart from that we have to see. My belief is he will be stuck to much with maintaining his gigantic mass. We haven’t seen even decent ground and pound or submission work from him. Just lay and pray/amass and gas.
Let’s wait and observe.

p.s.
“Go Penis Sword!”
???

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
pavlovs vodka wrote:
Brock’s win over Randy does nothing to strike fear in the hearts of his heavyweight opponents. What they saw was an incredibly strong man with an ungodly reach who got pushed into the side of a cage for 4 minutes by someone 80 lbs less than him and 14 years older than him.

This is a bit dishonest for a couple reasons. Randy may be in the best fighting shape of his life. He looked pretty good against Lesnar. Secondly, Brock was at no time in trouble in the clinch, even when his back was against the cage.
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Really? Best fighting shape of his life @45? Also, Brock was fighting Randy’s game against the cage, getting under serious pressure. He wasn’t comfortable there at all.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
pavlovs vodka wrote:
He didn’t even contest Randy’s double underhooks until he felt like doing something. When he did make an attempt to make a move, he was able to do so.

They also so Brock in worse cardio shape than he was against Herring. They saw that if they can stay within his reach for 3 or 4 rounds he’ll gas.

This is not the case either. I don’t think you what being gassed means.
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He wasn’t panting and getting blue but it’s pretty obvious his endurance performance drops rapidly as the round progresses. In Pride’s ten minute rounds, he’d have been defeated by a lot of guys because of that.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
pavlovs vodka wrote:
So is he capable of knocking Nog out? Has Nog shown that he is capable of knocking Brock out? Do you think Nog’s plan would be to strike with Brock?

Brock could probably beat Mir, I don’t know how much that says… Mir’s wreck took a lot out of him.

Could brock take Overeem? Sylvia? Barnett? Probably not.

Overeem, yes. Sylvia, absolutly. Barnett, probably not but I would love to see it.
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Overeem delivers some of the best knees out there. If he’d find the right sparring partners he could Silva Brock’s nose in. Trouble is, he has little experience with strong wrestlers. Hard to pick.

On Sylvia, why the hate again? Because he looks shitty and has no abs? He proved what he was capable of, Brock didn’t, for now.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Really? Best fighting shape of his life @45? Also, Brock was fighting Randy’s game against the cage, getting under serious pressure. He wasn’t comfortable there at all.
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How many of his fights have you seen? I’ve seen them all and own them all. I just got done watching his first 5 in the UFC. He has looked better in his last three fights than he ever has. Period.

What evidence did you see that said he was gassed. And they aren’t fighting in Pride. Have you ever seen a Pride fight? The 10 minute rounds usually meant you had to pace yourself. Five minute rounds provide much more exciting fights.

Besides Fedor, he is probably the HW I would most like to see in the UFC or at least Affliction. He really needs some better competition.

Ummm…He lost to Randy and Brock beat Randy. Not that this argument is the best, but this would be a bad matchup for Timmy. He’s used to being the bigger guy in the ring. He would get handled.

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Practically everything woohitter said is unreal, outright ridiculous.

Really?

In the same forumn people say uncontested how Couture was washed up and its garbage, then again uncontested say how the fight against sylvia was a quality opponent.

Well Couture absolutely manhandled Sylvia all over the cage, did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. You know what happened to this same fighter, he got taken down by Brock Lesnar, couldn’t hurt Brock Lesnar, couldn’t maintain his TD agains’t Brock Lesnar, and got dropped by a punch from the same man.

Now you want to talk about Sambo and its correlation with ability in the cage. Well Brock Lesnar probably could have been an Olympian in Wrestling. He was a NCAA national Champion and dominated his weight class all year. Multi time all american as well.

What I also said in my post was that I felt Brock needed two more WINS in the UFC before he would be able to fight Fedor. That does seem outright ridiculous right? If the man were too beat NOG and followed that up with a win against a Gonzaga or Congo I would feel he was ready to step into the ring with Fedor.

What makes me make that bold statement? well lets do some math:

NOG and Mir fight in 1 month, the earliest a fight would be put together would probably be 4 months from that lets say may 1st 2009.

A win there and a scheduled fight against a top HW in the UFC would again be set up probably 4-5 months later. lets say september 15th

Then we say all the contracts are worked out, the deal is put together, work is really put in and 6 months from that we are all buying a PPV with Lesnar and Fedor as the main draw. Thats more than 14 months from now.

What I have said and What I stand by, is that Brock Lesnar, with 2 more wins and all the training in between, would pose a REAL threat to beat Fedor. He is bigger, faster, stronger, his stamina is great. He would have fought against a recognized elite HW and a quality (better then Sylvia) level opponent.

Then with the time to sit and break down any and all of Fedors fights, and continue to improve and plan for the fight, if you think im still nuts, I don’t know what your watching.

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Good to see we can at least agree on a bit o’ manlove for Alistair Overeem.
Jokes aside, he was the guy I could get women to watch MMA for.

His punch combination in the fight against the Korean guy, whatshisname (park, Lee?) was stellar. How he was handling Hunt and basically brutalizing Crocop was magnificent, too.
/praise

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Bigger yes stronger maybe i think people see Brocks weight room numbers and think he is better than he is. Couture said Belfort was more explosive please lets just stop talking about this because i am really getting sick of mma newbs/brock nuthuggers

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LOL

fedor via submission

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[quote]woohitter wrote:

Now you want to talk about Sambo and its correlation with ability in the cage. Well Brock Lesnar probably could have been an Olympian in Wrestling. He was a NCAA national Champion and dominated his weight class all year. Multi time all american as well.
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There is a huge difference between NCAA champion and Olympian.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Bigger yes stronger maybe i think people see Brocks weight room numbers and think he is better than he is. Couture said Belfort was more explosive please lets just stop talking about this because i am really getting sick of mma newbs/brock nuthuggers[/quote]

Yeah, that was a thoughtful post. Stronger, Maybe? Please. Maybe you’re the newb?

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
woohitter wrote:

Now you want to talk about Sambo and its correlation with ability in the cage. Well Brock Lesnar probably could have been an Olympian in Wrestling. He was a NCAA national Champion and dominated his weight class all year. Multi time all american as well.

There is a huge difference between NCAA champion and Olympian.[/quote]

yep. almost a different sport. Unless he had been training for freestyle or greco roman, he would probaly have as much luck in judo.

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First… in response to woohitter’s assertation that brock “probably” could have been an olympic wrestler based soley on NCAA dominance.

Really???

Because Kos was undefeated in Four years in NCAA wrestling.
a) never an olympian
b) got outwrestled by GSP

Fedor won Sambo, what 4 years in a row??? That’s a huge national event in Russia. And he was so good it at, the last time he won he won based on opponent forfeiture because the guy didn’t want to face Fedor.

And to anyone who wants to say Fedor hasn’t fought anyone this past year.

He beat the shit out of Sylvia, Linland, and Hong Man Choi.

Do you know who hong man cho is???

He’s 8 fucking inches taller (7’2") and 50 heavier (352 lbs) than Brock Lessnar.

Brock lost to Mir the car wreck victim, Couldn’t finish Herring, and beat an emaciated Randy on a fluke. (I agree that prior to the Brock fight Randy had been in the best shape of his life.)

Brock didn’t prove he had an Iron Chin against Randy. He ate a few punches from a guy 80 lbs less than him.

And you people ask for Fedor? OMFG

And to anyone who thinks he hasn’t gotten enough credit. YOURE GIVING HIM TOO MUCH CREDIT.

He has fought 3 fights, and lost one of them.

When Napao Gonzaga beat Cro Cop he was 9-1, and on a 6 fight winning streak, and people didn’t ride his jock as hard as you guys are riding brock.

Be realistic, there are way too many variables in this sport for someone with so little experience not to get his ass whipped once or thrice.

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Lesnar is faster than Fedor???

do you pull these statements out of a hat? or make them with madlibs???

NO ONE has been able to “Sit there and break down fedor’s fights”.

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Same with Nog against Sapp. Sapp is even more of an athlete than Lesnar and yes Brocks nuthugger stronger there is a big difference between weight room strong and fightong strong. like i said NEWB

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Same with Nog against Sapp. Sapp is even more of an athlete than Lesnar and yes Brocks nuthugger stronger there is a big difference between weight room strong and fightong strong. like i said NEWB[/quote]

How about wrestling strong? Is that the same as fighting strong? Bob Sapp more of an athelete? Geez your smart. You continue to amaze me. You’re the “newb” my friend.

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Cardiovascularly speaking sapp is 10 times as fit as Lesnar. Strength wise Sapp blows lesnar out of the water. Lb for lb lesnar probably has a little strength on sapp. I believe Lesnar’s MMA career will eventually look as lackluster as Sapp’s.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Sapp is even more of an athlete than Lesnar [/quote]

You might want to refrain from calling anyone a “newb” after making a statement like this.

And if you still stand by that statement…you should at least provide something to support it.