Federal Lawsuit For Being Tasered

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Many of you really don’t get it.

The guy has no idea who you are when he gets pulled over, other than someone who has flashing lights on their car. He has no idea the kind of person is pulling him over, you might be a law abiding cop, or a crazy mo-fo who wants to test his manhood.

Fixed the above.

The moment you get out of the car BEFORE OR WITHOUT the consent of the officer, you are at Level 1 of aggressor.

That makes all cops level 1 aggressors.

Then when the cop tells you to turn around and go back, you refuse, now Level 2. You continue to defy him for minutes as he asks you time and time again, Level 3. So, rather than contest the thing in court, the right way, where you actually have a chance at winning, you sit there and debate with a cop who could care less. Now you have more electricity in your ass than your Mochaccino maker at home, because you decided to pop off verbally.

See in my apparent dream world there is a thing called freedom of speech where popping off verbally doesnâ??t get a person tasered.

The cop views his word as the law, whether you like it or not. If you don’t like it, right then and there is not the time and place to challenge that. You need to challenge these things in court, telling the judge, the cop is just enforcing the law. Believe me guys, trust me when I tell you, this is not the time and place. You need to play the best hand you have, and on the street is not the time.

So you are saying that if heâ??d just down whatever the cop told him, heâ??d have a case? And yes I know cops view their word as the law, thatâ??s the problem.

Was excessive force used? Nope, not at all. He was told a million times, and still refused. The cop will get off, because the actions on the video speak enough. That the driver resisted instructions, thus can be viewed as resistive/combative.

Before any of you numb nuts say…“what if the cop tells you to finger your asshole while you sing Yankee Doodle?”, go STFU. That is not the case in this video, and if or when that situation happens, then you deal with that accordingly. Honestly the sound of some of you makes me think you live under a rock.

So exactly how far would you go for a cop? Cause you are kidding yourself if you donâ??t think shit like that actually happens. And what would be an â??appropriate actionâ?? then?

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Clearly many of you don’t know how cops work.

Remember something, YOU allegedly broke the law, not the cop. He is just enforcing it. And the reason he is taking his time before he approaches you, is because he is running the license plate to see if the car is stolen or not. He has no idea who you are, so if you get out and approach him, what kind of impression are you making on him? That you are overly aggressive? And before someone goes bitching about cops approaching them, that is their job.

Double, you can pop off all you want, just make sure to follow the cop’s orders. That’s why the guy got tazed. Sure, you can say “fuck you” all you want when you are getting cuffed, just do as he says and sing to your heart’s content. Just remember all that noise you are making is being recorded, and if you pursue challenging it in court, the officer will have proof of your behavior, and the judge will note that as the video is shown in court.

Go ahead guy, say whatever you want, it’s all on tape. I don’t know how convincing you will be in court when you claim to be a law abiding citizen while running your mouth off to the cop.

Yes, I am saying that if he had an issue with the nature of the arrest, the time and place to question it is not in the street. Do you really think you are going to win the argument right then and there? Really? You think that after you have been pulled over, recorded being stupid, the cop will say “oh well ok, since you put it that way, you are free to go?” Yea sure.

How far would I go? Would I just do whatever a cop told me to do, even if it meant sticking a finger in my ass and singing? Sure, I would make sure to ask for his commanding officer to come out and see the whole thing, and also make sure that dash-cam caught the whole thing. Then, if he denied to call his CO, that too is another violation of my civil rights.

Many of you guys clearly have never been in trouble with the law from much of what I am reading in this thread. This is how it would go down in court…

Me: Yes your honor, he made me stick my finger in my ass and sing, by threat of violence, and I have no reason why. As you can see in the video, I am scared and nervous, as I don’t know what else he will ask me to do. Ever since then I get teased and made fun of, and my quality of life has gone down the toilet. I have been humiliated by this officer and my life will never again be the same. I am seeking damages in the amount of (fill in the blank) dollars.

Again, until this happens, which I don’t believe would happen, I would not worry about it. You have to learn to use the law to your advantage too, you need to educate yourself rather than by going on what TV and movies show you. The eye in the sky don’t lie, and if some cop is willing to order me to do something stupid like that, smile for the camera!

Let me go one step further. When the guy got out of the car he did indeed make the situation more difficult for the officer. A routine traffic stop was not what happened when he pulled this guy over. YET are we to expect that anytime the routine doesn’t happen, someone gets tasered?

Our police are reduced to mindless idiots who cannot handle anything other than the routine? Anytime something out of the ordinary happens we are ok with them tasering first and then sorting everything out later? We shouldn’t expect them to try to resolve situations without force as a first option? Repeating a command 60 times in a row is what officers are taught when trying to resolve an elevated situation?

Tasering someone in the back is a defensive move? The guy was going to attack him and he felt he needed to taser him or he would be harmed? The guy was not even facing him, and was moving away from him right? There is so many holes in the “pro cop” argument it’s not even funny.

V

Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Clearly many of you don’t know how cops work.

Remember something, YOU allegedly[/quote] allegedly being a key word here. And yes, this guy allegedly had a crooked license plate. [quote] broke the law, not the cop. He is just enforcing it. And the reason he is taking his time before he approaches you, is because he is running the license plate to see if the car is stolen or not. He has no idea who you are, so if you get out and approach him, what kind of impression are you making on him? That you are overly aggressive? And before someone goes bitching about cops approaching them, that is their job.

Double, you can pop off all you want, just make sure to follow the cop’s orders. That’s why the guy got tazed. Sure, you can say “fuck you” all you want when you are getting cuffed, just do as he says and sing to your heart’s content. Just remember all that noise you are making is being recorded, and if you pursue challenging it in court, the officer will have proof of your behavior, and the judge will note that as the video is shown in court. Go ahead guy, say whatever you want, it’s all on tape. I don’t know how convincing you will be in court when you claim to be a law abiding citizen while running your mouth off to the cop.

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Lol, you think running your mouth to a cop won’t get you beat up or tasered, even when completely complying? Seems like you don’t know how cops work.

The argument started after the cops refusal to tell the guy what he did wrong. The cop started the aggressive yelling. The argument was about the guy not know why he was being retained, not arguing a case. You see it’s impossible to argue that point unless you know what it is you are being accused of.

LMAO. If a cop makes you do crazy shit, or assaults you without cause, there isn’t going to be a tape. He isn’t going to get his CO. And there won’t be a damn thing you can do about it because it will be an officers word against yours. Not to mention your request to see his CO is way less reasonable than asking what you are pulled over for. You think a cop even refusing to tell you that is okay, but not seeing his CO, that’s a rights violation. You are naive my friend.

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Me: Yes your honor, he made me stick my finger in my ass and sing, by threat of violence, and I have no reason why. As you can see in the video, I am scared and nervous, as I don’t know what else he will ask me to do. Ever since then I get teased and made fun of, and my quality of life has gone down the toilet. I have been humiliated by this officer and my life will never again be the same. I am seeking damages in the amount of (fill in the blank) dollars.

Again, until this happens, which I don’t believe would happen, I would not worry about it. You have to learn to use the law to your advantage too, you need to educate yourself rather than by going on what TV and movies show you. The eye in the sky don’t lie, and if some cop is willing to order me to do something stupid like that, smile for the camera! [/quote]

Other than the fact there would be no video, you’re right on.

Either they drag you to the side of the car, where you became “combative”, or the video is “lost in handling”.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V[/quote]

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.[/quote]

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V[/quote]

From all that you have stated so far,it is evident that you need to ask an actual police officer about protocol…not the military.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops. [/quote]

See cause I was going to say, the same about yall. you’re blinded by respect for authority. I mean, literally, a poster just said he’d stick his finger up his ass if a cop asked him.

I get it, yall will obey no matter what.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

From all that you have stated so far,it is evident that you need to ask an actual police officer about protocol…not the military.
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Thanks for telling me what I need to ask. Because I forgot, you can read minds and know where I was going with that point. Still waiting for a member of the armed forces to weigh in on this before I continue with my point.

V

Also just so we are clear, I already know the answer to the question, but I want you all to hear it from someone in the military so you won’t be able to dismiss it. You know it’s not like any one of my 7 family members who are serving or have served could have told me. Nope, if I wasn’t in myself then I have absolutely no idea about anything to do with it and therefore am not qualified to comment. So… Here I sit waiting.

V

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops.

See cause I was going to say, the same about yall. you’re blinded by respect for authority. I mean, literally, a poster just said he’d stick his finger up his ass if a cop asked him.

I get it, yall will obey no matter what. [/quote]

See…this post exemplifies my point. You take the views and comments of a few posters and use it to generalize us ALL. Brilliant.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Also just so we are clear, I already know the answer to the question, but I want you all to hear it from someone in the military so you won’t be able to dismiss it. You know it’s not like any one of my 7 family members who are serving or have served could have told me. Nope, if I wasn’t in myself then I have absolutely no idea about anything to do with it and therefore am not qualified to comment. So… Here I sit waiting.

V[/quote]

Ok…my bad. I forgot that military protocol in combat zone fits in with an argument about law enforcement and the general public.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Holy shit it’s a 15 year old girl with an attitude, the horror, we weren’t trained to deal with this madness!

V[/quote]

For once I am saddened that no one responded to my original post. But this^^^ is essentially my point. THIS is the police. This is what they do. The cops in this country are just as corrupt as in Mexico or ireland or anywhere else in the world.

But in that video, the stupid girl played all that shit all wrong. She is just too damn young and stupid to realize just how much danger she is really in, so she argued with him.

When your dealing with the po po at all, for any reason YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER. Don’t screw around! Do what you gotta do to SURVIVE! duh

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops.

See cause I was going to say, the same about yall. you’re blinded by respect for authority. I mean, literally, a poster just said he’d stick his finger up his ass if a cop asked him.

I get it, yall will obey no matter what.

See…this post exemplifies my point. You take the views and comments of a few posters and use it to generalize us ALL. Brilliant.

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Your sidestepping and distraction tecniques no know limit do they? What exactly would you like him to do… Big Boss… Here is where you said you would do as a cop told you… So… MaximusB… Here is where you said you would do as a cop told you … so… Jehovasfitness… Here is where you said you would obey a police officers commands… so… Etc…

I mean, God forbid he group you with other people who are taking a similar stand on an issue within this thread. After all we all know grouping people together based on common points is bad. Thats a no no. Oops, did I just say we ALL? I meant to say… Wait I cant communicate what I need to say without using all. Hmmmm Now I am in a predicament. Oh well, I guess less communication is better in order to make sure I never offend anyone or possibly imply that one person is like another person or that they share similar views or values.

V

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Also just so we are clear, I already know the answer to the question, but I want you all to hear it from someone in the military so you won’t be able to dismiss it. You know it’s not like any one of my 7 family members who are serving or have served could have told me. Nope, if I wasn’t in myself then I have absolutely no idea about anything to do with it and therefore am not qualified to comment. So… Here I sit waiting.

V

Ok…my bad. I forgot that military protocol in combat zone fits in with an argument about law enforcement and the general public. [/quote]

What? Playing games again? Trying to figure out where I am going and ASSUMING you know? I never said military protocal in a COMBAT zone. It’s military protocal period, combat or not. When an officer gives you a direct order to violate a law, what is your duty. I’m asking any military personall here again.

V

Blow the conch, alert HolyMac.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops.

See cause I was going to say, the same about yall. you’re blinded by respect for authority. I mean, literally, a poster just said he’d stick his finger up his ass if a cop asked him.

I get it, yall will obey no matter what.

See…this post exemplifies my point. You take the views and comments of a few posters and use it to generalize us ALL. Brilliant.

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Kind of the way you generalized every thoughy i have or could have on the subject? If you seemingly know everything i think, maybe I know how you think.

edit: if you can label me “you just hate cops”, I can label you “just obey”.

Good news! It seems as if some people actually care if our police force conducts itself like they are supposed to. Don’t worry it looks like you “follow orders” types will have the benefit of other people doing the uncomfortable work for you. Continue to sit there and obey your orders, after all it’s easier. Those of us who continue to excercise our rights will keep you free of tyranny. Though you do make it much harder, thats ok, we are folk of strong constitution and charachter, we can handle the load.

V

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Is anyone here in the military? What is your duty if your commanding officer issues you a command and you know it is wrong. Like for instance, you are ordered to kill an innocent civilian or a fellow soldier? What is protocal?

V

listening to some here it would be “kill the person, then make your case latter”

in the field is not the appropriate time for decent.

You’re blinded by your own bias and experiences. Its too obvious. You would sing the same tune and find fault with this officer(and law enforcement in general) regardless. We get it…you don’t like cops.

See cause I was going to say, the same about yall. you’re blinded by respect for authority. I mean, literally, a poster just said he’d stick his finger up his ass if a cop asked him.

I get it, yall will obey no matter what.

See…this post exemplifies my point. You take the views and comments of a few posters and use it to generalize us ALL. Brilliant.

Kind of the way you generalized every though i have or could have on the subject? If you seemingly know everything i think, maybe I know how you think.[/quote]

Maybe you do…since you know how I shouldn’t think. You haven’t denied any “generalizations” I’ve made about YOU specifically in regards to your view of law enforcement.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Good news! It seems as if some people actually care if our police force conducts itself like they are supposed to. Don’t worry it looks like you “follow orders” types will have the benefit of other people doing the uncomfortable work for you. Continue to sit there and obey your orders, after all it’s easier. Those of us who continue to excercise our rights will keep you free of tyranny. Though you do make it much harder, thats ok, we are folk of strong constitution and charachter, we can handle the load.

V[/quote]

Yep…because ALL orders from law enforcement are unreasonable and violate your rights(shut up,LIFTY). Those that “exercise” their rights are some of the very people who do shit that result in laws/bills that do violate our rights. Knowing your rights and exercising them isn’t enough if you don’t know when and how to do so.