Federal Lawsuit For Being Tasered

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
theOUTLAW wrote:

Again, the first hit was justified and a court would not find otherwise. If a police officer’s requests are reasonable, and you don’t obey, then you are free to get tasered. The rest of the hits are questionable and will get to a jury, because it’s not clear if he was resisting after he was down on the ground. That is why we have a court system and the 4th amendment to allow all of these lawsuits. There has been a million of these lawsuits, and the system is there to protect people from state officials abusing their authority. Obviously, if a police officer is acting unreasonably and is asking you to fuck your own ass with his police baton…you have a right to reasonably resist. Key word is reasonable in all of this. Both sides need to act reasonably.

Personally, like many others here, I believe if you’re being an idiot, you have it coming to you. However, justice is blind.

I don’t feel that any command to a non-threatening, law abiding citizen is reasonable. But once again, I’m curious, how far would you go? If I kicked down your door with a shotgun and shouted “police”, would you attempt to defend yourself? Would you get off a public sidewalk if told to, when others are walking down the street? would you go as far as putting your thumb up your butt? Who decides what is reasonable?[/quote]

Law abiding = not broken any laws. He had a crooked license plate = law broken. Maybe a small, stupid infraction, but a broken law none the less. What was the intention of the police officer when he was pulling him over. Maybe the officer just wanted to say hey man your license plate is crooked and that was it. We will never know because the guy got out of his car.

Acting like a douchebag = god given right. Boy did that guy excercise his rights.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
theOUTLAW wrote:

Again, the first hit was justified and a court would not find otherwise. If a police officer’s requests are reasonable, and you don’t obey, then you are free to get tasered. The rest of the hits are questionable and will get to a jury, because it’s not clear if he was resisting after he was down on the ground. That is why we have a court system and the 4th amendment to allow all of these lawsuits. There has been a million of these lawsuits, and the system is there to protect people from state officials abusing their authority. Obviously, if a police officer is acting unreasonably and is asking you to fuck your own ass with his police baton…you have a right to reasonably resist. Key word is reasonable in all of this. Both sides need to act reasonably.

Personally, like many others here, I believe if you’re being an idiot, you have it coming to you. However, justice is blind.

I don’t feel that any command to a non-threatening, law abiding citizen is reasonable. But once again, I’m curious, how far would you go? If I kicked down your door with a shotgun and shouted “police”, would you attempt to defend yourself? Would you get off a public sidewalk if told to, when others are walking down the street? would you go as far as putting your thumb up your butt? Who decides what is reasonable?

Law abiding = not broken any laws. He had a crooked license plate = law broken. Maybe a small, stupid infraction, but a broken law none the less. What was the intention of the police officer when he was pulling him over. Maybe the officer just wanted to say hey man your license plate is crooked and that was it. We will never know because the guy got out of his car.

Acting like a douchebag = god given right. Boy did that guy excercise his rights.[/quote]

That is what I was trying to get at, the cop was trying to give a simple citation (probably), and the guy made it worse by acting retarded. Being a cop is one of the hardest jobs there is, because you just never know who you are dealing with. That does not excuse them when they get out of hand, but on occasion they do and those who do it foolishly should be punished.

Veg - I have to disagree with your new found disagreement. I believe we can have a kumbaya moment, now let us enjoy a drink and enjoy some of the Vixens…

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I think the guy should sue the company that manufactured the crappy bolts that were to hold his license plate in place.

lol

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Acting like a douchebag = god given right. Boy did that guy excercise his rights.[/quote]

If it gets you tasered and arrested, it isn’t a right.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Just a few point

  1. Out of all the video’s posted of police brutality/abuse of power, which are wrong and the cops should be punished, what percentage of these incidents do you really think make up all the daily interaction police have with the citizens they protect? I would venture to guess a very small %.

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First, if it’s even a possibility, all parties deserve the right to self defense. Second, probably way more than you are giving it credit for.

Because they voluntarily sign their name on a dotted line and take an oath. Cops getting killed sucks, but with the way it is legally now, a cops rights/life/liberty are more important than civilians. And thatâ??s just plain wrong. They voluntarily go into these situations.

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  1. I love when folks say things like "I don’t care if you drink all day long even if I think it’s wrong, I’ll still die for your right to do it and “all you followers just keep following, me and others like me will continue to protect you from tyranny”. I’m mean really get off your high horse already. Most people that say that stupid shit would not die to protect anything except maybe their family and Tyranny??? last I checked we don’t live in China or North Korea [/quote] but how many steps are you willing to take toward it. But justification by comparison is what children do when they know they are wrong. â??But timmyâ??s mom lets him stay up till 10.â?? [quote]. If you have a problem with the law call your congressman, make a fucking infomercial, or run for office. Seriously having respect for the authority our society has given our police makes sense doesn’t it? We give them that authority[/quote] Actually, the contract we have with them limits their authority already. Violating that is violating the law on which all other laws are based. [quote]. We certainly aren’t going to let them abuse their power and there are avenues to correct abuses[/quote] sounds to me like you are willing to let them do just that, as long as we arenâ??t north korea of course, or as long as it doesnâ??t happen to you[quote]
    , but let get real the vast majority of police officers[/quote] Really? Iâ??d put it at about 50/50. But Iâ??m sure your made up stats are more accurate than mine.power corrupts. Period.[quote] do the right think when push comes to shove and so does our military. [/quote]
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Just a few point

  1. Out of all the video’s posted of police brutality/abuse of power, which are wrong and the cops should be punished, what percentage of these incidents do you really think make up all the daily interaction police have with the citizens they protect? I would venture to guess a very small %.

First, if it’s even a possibility, all parties deserve the right to self defense. Second, probably way more than you are giving it credit for.

  1. Further more why aren’t we talking about all the times the police are hurt, killed, etc… while on duty. What about their rights? Sure it’s their job to serve and protect, but don’t they have the basic human right to defend themselves as well?

Because they voluntarily sign their name on a dotted line and take an oath. Cops getting killed sucks, but with the way it is legally now, a cops rights/life/liberty are more important than civilians. And thatâ??s just plain wrong. They voluntarily go into these situations.

  1. I love when folks say things like "I don’t care if you drink all day long even if I think it’s wrong, I’ll still die for your right to do it and “all you followers just keep following, me and others like me will continue to protect you from tyranny”. I’m mean really get off your high horse already. Most people that say that stupid shit would not die to protect anything except maybe their family and Tyranny??? last I checked we don’t live in China or North Korea but how many steps are you willing to take toward it. But justification by comparison is what children do when they know they are wrong. â??But timmyâ??s mom lets him stay up till 10.â?? . If you have a problem with the law call your congressman, make a fucking infomercial, or run for office. Seriously having respect for the authority our society has given our police makes sense doesn’t it? We give them that authority Actually, the contract we have with them limits their authority already. Violating that is violating the law on which all other laws are based. . We certainly aren’t going to let them abuse their power and there are avenues to correct abuses sounds to me like you are willing to let them do just that, as long as we arenâ??t north korea of course, or as long as it doesnâ??t happen to you
    , but let get real the vast majority of police officers Really? Iâ??d put it at about 50/50. But Iâ??m sure your made up stats are more accurate than mine.power corrupts. Period. do the right think when push comes to shove and so does our military.

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“we” give the police their authority. The part were you say our contract with them limits their authority doesn’t even make sense. The police didn’t just magically appear and now collectively we limit their authority. Instead at some point a police force was established and given authority to do the things everyday people don’t want to or don’t have time to do.

Again if I feel the police our abusing their powers I would use the correct avenues to correct this injustice…that is exactly why we aren’t North Korea or China because we have a mechanism to correct injustice unlike them.

I also just love how you jump on me about made up statistic and then pull 50/50 right out of you ass.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Just a few point

  1. Out of all the video’s posted of police brutality/abuse of power, which are wrong and the cops should be punished, what percentage of these incidents do you really think make up all the daily interaction police have with the citizens they protect? I would venture to guess a very small %.

First, if it’s even a possibility, all parties deserve the right to self defense. Second, probably way more than you are giving it credit for.

  1. Further more why aren’t we talking about all the times the police are hurt, killed, etc… while on duty. What about their rights? Sure it’s their job to serve and protect, but don’t they have the basic human right to defend themselves as well?

Because they voluntarily sign their name on a dotted line and take an oath. Cops getting killed sucks, but with the way it is legally now, a cops rights/life/liberty are more important than civilians. And that�¢??s just plain wrong. They voluntarily go into these situations.

  1. I love when folks say things like "I don’t care if you drink all day long even if I think it’s wrong, I’ll still die for your right to do it and “all you followers just keep following, me and others like me will continue to protect you from tyranny”. I’m mean really get off your high horse already. Most people that say that stupid shit would not die to protect anything except maybe their family and Tyranny??? last I checked we don’t live in China or North Korea but how many steps are you willing to take toward it. But justification by comparison is what children do when they know they are wrong. Ã?¢??But timmyÃ?¢??s mom lets him stay up till 10.Ã?¢?? . If you have a problem with the law call your congressman, make a fucking infomercial, or run for office. Seriously having respect for the authority our society has given our police makes sense doesn’t it? We give them that authority Actually, the contract we have with them limits their authority already. Violating that is violating the law on which all other laws are based. . We certainly aren’t going to let them abuse their power and there are avenues to correct abuses sounds to me like you are willing to let them do just that, as long as we arenÃ?¢??t north korea of course, or as long as it doesnÃ?¢??t happen to you
    , but let get real the vast majority of police officers Really? I�¢??d put it at about 50/50. But I�¢??m sure your made up stats are more accurate than mine.power corrupts. Period. do the right think when push comes to shove and so does our military.

“we” give the police their authority. The part were you say our contract with them limits their authority doesn’t even make sense. The police didn’t just magically appear and now collectively we limit their authority. Instead at some point a police force was established and given authority to do the things everyday people don’t want to or don’t have time to do.

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I don’t understand how codifying right of civilians limiting the power of government authority doesn’t make sense to you.

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.

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I also just love how you jump on me about made up statistic and then pull 50/50 right out of you ass. [/quote]

Yes, as I comically noted, both were made up. If you can make up stats, so can I. It was an illustrative point, you apparently missed.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.
[/quote]

I guess this is just were we are gong to disagree then. If there is abuse our system has in place ways to combat that abuse. The guy in the original video, if he was a victim of police abuse, could have done as he was told at the moment and fought the police in court as it should be. If you think you should resist abuse however you see fit that’s great, good for you, but chance are you are going to be physically harmed if you resist like this guy. Enjoy having your ass beat because you “think your rights are being abused”.

Every situation is different obviously if your life is in danger or a family members life is in danger drastic times call for drastic measures. This is not one of those time.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.

I guess this is just were we are gong to disagree then. If there is abuse our system has in place ways to combat that abuse. The guy in the original video, if he was a victim of police abuse, could have done as he was told at the moment and fought the police in court as it should be. If you think you should resist abuse however you see fit that’s great, good for you, but chance are you are going to be physically harmed if you resist like this guy. Enjoy having your ass beat because you “think your rights are being abused”.

Every situation is different obviously if your life is in danger or a family members life is in danger drastic times call for drastic measures. This is not one of those time. [/quote]

Yes, because if the system is screwed up, we should always rely on that system for correction. Havenâ??t to go through legal process to use your rights makes them privileges, not rights. â??Enjoy having your ass beat because you "think your rights are being abusedâ??â??
I just wanted to highlight that this attitude is one of the biggest things wrong in America right now.

I don’t really care where you draw the line of “real rights violations”. It’s not for you to define. nor do you get to define how I should act. It’s called liberty. look it up.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.

I guess this is just were we are gong to disagree then. If there is abuse our system has in place ways to combat that abuse. The guy in the original video, if he was a victim of police abuse, could have done as he was told at the moment and fought the police in court as it should be. If you think you should resist abuse however you see fit that’s great, good for you, but chance are you are going to be physically harmed if you resist like this guy. Enjoy having your ass beat because you “think your rights are being abused”.

Every situation is different obviously if your life is in danger or a family members life is in danger drastic times call for drastic measures. This is not one of those time.

Yes, because if the system is screwed up, we should always rely on that system for correction. Havenâ??t to go through legal process to use your rights makes them privileges, not rights. â??Enjoy having your ass beat because you "think your rights are being abusedâ??â??
I just wanted to highlight that this attitude is one of the biggest things wrong in America right now.

I don’t really care where you draw the line of “real rights violations”. It’s not for you to define. nor do you get to define how I should act. It’s called liberty. look it up.[/quote]

There are flaws in the system, like any other system, but I wouldn’t exactly say it is screwed up.

I think I know what liberty is seeing as I protect it and all.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.

I guess this is just were we are gong to disagree then. If there is abuse our system has in place ways to combat that abuse. The guy in the original video, if he was a victim of police abuse, could have done as he was told at the moment and fought the police in court as it should be. If you think you should resist abuse however you see fit that’s great, good for you, but chance are you are going to be physically harmed if you resist like this guy. Enjoy having your ass beat because you “think your rights are being abused”.

Every situation is different obviously if your life is in danger or a family members life is in danger drastic times call for drastic measures. This is not one of those time.

Yes, because if the system is screwed up, we should always rely on that system for correction. Haven�¢??t to go through legal process to use your rights makes them privileges, not rights. �¢??Enjoy having your ass beat because you "think your rights are being abused�¢??�¢??
I just wanted to highlight that this attitude is one of the biggest things wrong in America right now.

I don’t really care where you draw the line of “real rights violations”. It’s not for you to define. nor do you get to define how I should act. It’s called liberty. look it up.

There are flaws in the system, like any other system, but I wouldn’t exactly say it is screwed up.

I think I know what liberty is seeing as I protect it and all.

[/quote]

Protecting it means you know it? You aren’t demonstrating you know it very well so maybe it’s possible you don’t do a good job protecting it?

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

I have yet to disagree with this. however, it is absolutely the right of anyone to resist abuse as they see fit. I have a problem with someone telling me how I have to protect or exercise my rights.

I guess this is just were we are gong to disagree then. If there is abuse our system has in place ways to combat that abuse. The guy in the original video, if he was a victim of police abuse, could have done as he was told at the moment and fought the police in court as it should be. If you think you should resist abuse however you see fit that’s great, good for you, but chance are you are going to be physically harmed if you resist like this guy. Enjoy having your ass beat because you “think your rights are being abused”.

Every situation is different obviously if your life is in danger or a family members life is in danger drastic times call for drastic measures. This is not one of those time.

Yes, because if the system is screwed up, we should always rely on that system for correction. Haven�?�¢??t to go through legal process to use your rights makes them privileges, not rights. �?�¢??Enjoy having your ass beat because you "think your rights are being abused�?�¢??�?�¢??
I just wanted to highlight that this attitude is one of the biggest things wrong in America right now.

I don’t really care where you draw the line of “real rights violations”. It’s not for you to define. nor do you get to define how I should act. It’s called liberty. look it up.

There are flaws in the system, like any other system, but I wouldn’t exactly say it is screwed up.

I think I know what liberty is seeing as I protect it and all.

Protecting it means you know it? You aren’t demonstrating you know it very well so maybe it’s possible you don’t do a good job protecting it?

V[/quote]

The problem is I live in reality, not some fantasy land where anytime you think your individual rights are challenged you get to act how ever you want to.

Society can’t grow without the people collectively giving up some of their rights. It just isn’t possible.

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Seriously, doesn’t everyone’s parents teach them how to act when pulled over?

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Hahahaha, that dude squealed like a little stuck piggy when they started layin volts on him. He was certainly deserving. If you dont follow the rules you get burned… or shocked until you drop a log in your shorts…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Seriously, doesn’t everyone’s parents teach them how to act when pulled over?[/quote]

Because this would involve personal responsibility, something many people are not willing to enact. No one wants to talk about that though. Everyone is so sensitive about being politically correct. How many people here act the way this guy did when they get pulled over? Why or why not? If you want to act like a fool, you should be treated like a fool. If you act normally, and the cop still treats you stupid, then yes you should be pissed.

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The first taser, sure. The guy randomly jumped out of his car after getting pulled over (who does that?) and was being uncooperative. The second taser, okay, the guy was walking away and who knew what he trying to do.

The 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th? Not too sure about those…

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[quote]challer1 wrote:
The first taser, sure. The guy randomly jumped out of his car after getting pulled over (who does that?) and was being uncooperative. The second taser, okay, the guy was walking away and who knew what he trying to do.

The 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th? Not too sure about those…[/quote]

If the first taser shot had worked properly,he wouldn’t have been standing to begin with. I wonder if both probes hit…OR if they just didn’t get a good spread.

IF the guy was actually resisting…I could understand pulling the trigger again or to “dry-stun” if the probes came out to get compliance. BUT being tasered can be such a lightning jolt of “OH SHIT”…that I can understand some who are in state of panic that could be taken as resisting…more so because the first shot didn’t shut his body down to keep him from moving.

BUT for most,that moment of “OH SHIT” is enough to just let the cops have it and cooperate…lol. That shit hurts,man. I also think there might of been a little panic on the officers’ end because of the taser not putting him on his butt the first time…AND the fact that he turned his back as if to run away.

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I must say I haven’t read the whole thread but I’m surprised by the favorable responses for the cop. The cop was perfectly within the law to tase the guy. and even if he loses in civil court it has nothing to do with criminal court, kinda like OJ, acquitted in criminal court, liable in civil court. We can " what if" all day long but the cop had one thing and one thing only in mind in that situation, gain control and then de-escalate. as one poster put it as a cop you assume NOTHING anyone can hurt you age 9 to 89, male or female, white or black, well dressed or thug style. assumptions get you killed. I have seen it too many times. Do we go overboard and to even sometimes to a point of criminal, yes we do but this wasn’t one of them.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Seriously, doesn’t everyone’s parents teach them how to act when pulled over?

Because this would involve personal responsibility, something many people are not willing to enact. No one wants to talk about that though. Everyone is so sensitive about being politically correct. [/quote]

This is what I was getting at when I said that people get so wrapped up trying to “use” their rights…that they ignore and try to step over personal responsibility and common sense to do.

Of course this was twisted into me not thinking rights and liberty are important.

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Utah SUCKS

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