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fuck fuck shit fuck… and they don’t have to label it? What the hell?
Just because it’s indistinguishable…? Well fuck, chips ahoy might be indistinguishable from reduced fat chips ahoy, but they still put the ingredients on the fucking label.
I’m pretty pissed off about the fact that they don’t have to tell me what I’m eating, whether it be cloned or genetically modified. I wrote a letter to my congressman once, which is so worthless it’s almost funny.
But on the bright side, cloning is a very expensive procedure, the clones themselves will probably be used for breeding purposes. So you will most likely never eat a cloned animal, but only the offspring of cloned animals. Of course genetic anomalies would be passed down, and before long every critter you eat will have a clone somewhere in the family tree.
Yeah, I like this idea…
Is it me or are these two paragraphs completely contradictory?
In the first they say they don’t know if there are any side effects to cloning in regards to life span (because Dolly was euthanized before her “normal life span”). In the second they’re saying a succesful clone is no different than the real thing…
[quote]The FDA’s report acknowledges that, “Currently, it is not possible to draw any conclusions regarding the longevity of livestock clones or possible long-term health consequences” for the animal.
But the agency concluded that cloned animals that are born healthy are no different than their non-cloned counterparts during their prime food-producing years, and go on to reproduce normally as well. Moreover, it is working with a group of international scientists that will issue guidelines later this year on how to clone, to minimize risk to the animals[/quote]
“And our new cloned beef jerky is now nearly rectum-free!”
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
“And our new cloned beef jerky is now nearly rectum-free!”[/quote]
Rectum?
(sweet, that’s the second time in two days that I’ve got to use that joke)
What does it matter if one knows he or she is eating a cloned animal or not?
Cloning is cool!I am going to have myself cloned. Then, when scientists figure out how to restore brain tissue with stem-cells I am going to have my brain transplanted into the clone of myself…
There are a few ethical issue we need to work out; like how am I going to raise my clone in a healthy environment until I am ready to harvest the body?
Welcome to everlasting life.
Since I went off-topic I thought I would offer a defense of my previous statment about not caring whether we are eating cloned animals or not.
Do we care what genetic material was used to breed non-cloned animals? If not, then why would we care when it is cloned? If anything we can know that farmers are bringing us superior products. We consume cloned plants; especially tree fruit so it shouldn’t be an issue.
What we should care about is its health and how it’s raised – its diet, etc.
I’m not real impressed with the FDA
[quote]dre wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
“And our new cloned beef jerky is now nearly rectum-free!”
Rectum?
(sweet, that’s the second time in two days that I’ve got to use that joke)[/quote]
Damn near killed em!
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Since I went off-topic I thought I would offer a defense of my previous statment about not caring whether we are eating cloned animals or not.
Do we care what genetic material was used to breed non-cloned animals? If not, then why would we care when it is cloned? If anything we can know that farmers are bringing us superior products. We consume cloned plants; especially tree fruit so it shouldn’t be an issue.
What we should care about is its health and how it’s raised – its diet, etc.[/quote]
Logic and science has no place in this discussion.
This is the same FDA we don’t want to ban supplements but we do want them to ban cloned meat?
What do you people want? I want labels for sure so I can make an informed choice but even that will be a choice made by emotion.
Just imagine if there was a cow that was high in omega 3’s even eating a grain based diet. Wouldn’t it be nice to clone it and take advantage of that?
This is not a clear cut issue.
I don’t like it. At all. And it’s way to early to tell no matter what their trials show. They release drugs onto the market all the time that have passed Phase III clinical trials that prove to be dangerous and have to be pulled once widespread distribution begins.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Since I went off-topic I thought I would offer a defense of my previous statment about not caring whether we are eating cloned animals or not.
Do we care what genetic material was used to breed non-cloned animals? If not, then why would we care when it is cloned? If anything we can know that farmers are bringing us superior products. We consume cloned plants; especially tree fruit so it shouldn’t be an issue.
What we should care about is its health and how it’s raised – its diet, etc.
Logic and science has no place in this discussion.
This is the same FDA we don’t want to ban supplements but we do want them to ban cloned meat?
What do you people want? I want labels for sure so I can make an informed choice but even that will be a choice made by emotion.
Just imagine if there was a cow that was high in omega 3’s even eating a grain based diet. Wouldn’t it be nice to clone it and take advantage of that?
This is not a clear cut issue.[/quote]
I want labels. Because I would avoid eating cloned food until after it had been on the market for a good long time, without any evidence of ill effects.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
dre wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
“And our new cloned beef jerky is now nearly rectum-free!”
Rectum?
(sweet, that’s the second time in two days that I’ve got to use that joke)
Damn near killed em![/quote]
Two for two Zap! Atta boy!
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I don’t like it. At all. And it’s way to early to tell no matter what their trials show. They release drugs onto the market all the time that have passed Phase III clinical trials that prove to be dangerous and have to be pulled once widespread distribution begins.[/quote]
Simple solution: pay some homeless people to eat the first generation of clones and then we’ll know since every generation after that will be the exact same. What will differ is its health and how it is raised – which we hardly require the FDA to monitor.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I don’t like it. At all. And it’s way to early to tell no matter what their trials show. They release drugs onto the market all the time that have passed Phase III clinical trials that prove to be dangerous and have to be pulled once widespread distribution begins.
Simple solution: pay some homeless people to eat the first generation of clones and then we’ll know since every generation after that will be the exact same. What will differ is its health and how it is raised – which we hardly require the FDA to monitor.[/quote]
Every generation of clones is supposed to be worse than the one before. Since there is no new genetic code being introduced there is no way to fix the genetic errors that occur and get passed down.
The homeless people eating the first generation may be fine but ten generations down the line there may be some genetic alteration that makes meat cancerous or god knows what else.
Of course as you pointed out fruit is often cloned and doesn’t seem to be a problem even though it is subject to genetic degradation.
All I asked for with genetically modified foods are labels so that I can make an informed decision.
However, in this case, it labels won’t work. Cloning is expensive, so you will probably never eat meat from a clone. They will be used for breeding, so you will be eating the offspring of clones. After a few generations, every steak you eat will be in some way descended from a clone.
In this case, I would expect the FDA to withhold approval until researchers have had a chance to raise several generations of animals that were descended from a clone, so we can see if any abnormalities develop.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Every generation of clones is supposed to be worse than the one before. Since there is no new genetic code being introduced there is no way to fix the genetic errors that occur and get passed down.
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Uhhhh…they are exactly the same – hence copies. No better, no worse.
The parent material is used. Not material from the copy. That would be considered a 2nd gen. clone copy.