FDA Admits Mercury Fillings May Be Harmful

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are relating a dental infection to amalgam fillings?

This is worse than comparing marijuana to heroin and cocaine.

You are right about how the body deals with dental infections. However, the relation here to the process of filling a tooth is ridiculous.

This is like relying on scare tactic sites on aspartame for your knowledge of it.

It might be best to actually ask a professional who actually DOES those types of fillings or has in the past. That would erase the idea that mercury is just being lodged into teeth.

Amalgam is a combination of materials that allow the doctor to manipulate it for a short time as they pack it into the tooth prep before it begins to harden.

It is that stage that most of the mercury is pushed OUT of the tooth and suctioned. That is why it is easy to manipulate as the tooth is being filled. Otherwise, there would be no way to actually fill the tooth efficiently. After that, the filling begins to harden, meeting its initial set in about 5-10min (or less).

Again, there were NO effective LASTING alternatives until relatively recently.

Beyond that, none of this erases the fact that oral hygiene of the patient is the greatest importance in the first place.

I can’t even tell you the number of patients who get decay underneath old fillings and blame the previous dentist for it…as if the last 10 years it was in their mouth, their lack of brushing had nothing to do with it.[/quote]

He said that your teeth have nothing to do with your demise/health which is why I went to infections not drawing a direct correlation that amalgams = infection.

I personally work with a network of dentists around the country that are using more cutting edge techniques and looking for the best ways to do dental work with regards to overall human health. If you want to PM me I can shoot you some PDFs of our stuff to take a look at. I would never claim to have the knowledge of a dentist but if you met me in person you would most likely be pleasantly surprised at my knowledge level for a non-practitioner.

No argument about the mercury being pushed out of the tooth. My argument (and many others) is that is being pushed into the body and hurting a lot of people.

[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
Is that surgery spoken of above the new kind where if you are missing a tooth they have an artificial duplicate “installed” into the gum/bone/jaw as a kind of permanent denture… like a new tooth?

I saw that done in a Doctor’s office when I was in Germany…

Sorry for the Hijack…[/quote]

Don’t be sorry. I am assuming you mean implants? Implants, for all essential purposes, act like real teeth when in place. HOWEVER, there has to be enough bone height and width in the area before you can even consider placing one.

That is why it is NOT an option for everyone.

Once in place, a crown is placed on top that looks like a real tooth. Your body will, for the most part, treat it as such as well.

[quote]storey420 wrote:

He said that your teeth have nothing to do with your demise/health which is why I went to infections not drawing a direct correlation that amalgams = infection.

I personally work with a network of dentists around the country that are using more cutting edge techniques and looking for the best ways to do dental work with regards to overall human health. If you want to PM me I can shoot you some PDFs of our stuff to take a look at. I would never claim to have the knowledge of a dentist but if you met me in person you would most likely be pleasantly surprised at my knowledge level for a non-practitioner.

No argument about the mercury being pushed out of the tooth. My argument (and many others) is that is being pushed into the body and hurting a lot of people.
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Understood, but you have to understand my background isn’t too shabby either. I’ve worked next to people that gather the information for some of those textbooks or have conducted some of the studies now used for new guidelines.

What upsets me are scare tactic web sites and the spread of information by people who are half informed.

The amalgam being degraded in this thread is one of the reasons many people across the country in their 60’s still have their teeth as opposed to 20+ years ago.

That makes the previous poster’s statement correct…no one is dying because of a filling or the removal of decay.

I think agreed on most points amalgams not good but all they had at the time–better than wooden teeth anyway. I have to disagree that people are dying and the fillings (mercury) are a big part of that. I see them day in and day out. I recently saw a young girl in MD that I though had some kind of congenital disease when I first saw her until I saw the pictures before she had the mercury fillings removed.

Totally normal, healthy, happy girl then had bad removals (no air vac or rubber dam) and now she basically looks like a half rhinoceros girl–seriously. RAw open sores and rashes as the mercury seeps out of her body.

Granted that is from the removal but in my line of work I have met enough folks that have had the amalgams in for years that have serious chronic illness that simply do not get better until we detox the mercury out of them.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I think agreed on most points amalgams not good but all they had at the time–better than wooden teeth anyway. I have to disagree that people are dying and the fillings (mercury) are a big part of that. I see them day in and day out. I recently saw a young girl in MD that I though had some kind of congenital disease when I first saw her until I saw the pictures before she had the mercury fillings removed.

Totally normal, healthy, happy girl then had bad removals (no air vac or rubber dam) and now she basically looks like a half rhinoceros girl–seriously. RAw open sores and rashes as the mercury seeps out of her body.

Granted that is from the removal but in my line of work I have met enough folks that have had the amalgams in for years that have serious chronic illness that simply do not get better until we detox the mercury out of them.[/quote]

I want to see a case study proving amalgam fillings being the cause of this.

What exactly is your line of work?

Let me also add this; dentists are more exposed to amalgam than anyone. Is there an increase in cases of MS in that field?

If not, why do you think that is?

This thread is reminding me that I haven’t been to the dentist in probably over 8 years.

Is that bad?

Probably bad.

Never had a cavity or wisdom teeth removed.

LOl there is a reason dentist want to do composite, doesn’t last as long as amalgam thus needing replaced more oftem making them more money. Amagalm can last 20+ easy, where your lucky to see a composite last 6 years. Composite is in most cases an inferior material because of technique and shrinkage.

Alot of what you see are scare tactics, not saying it’s all untrue but look at the dental profession who are exposed much more than anyone else and see if they are having problems. I’ve spent 15 years nose sticking out my mask breathing this stuff in and I’m ok…Well I think I am at any rate.

Screw em all and just get gold inlays and onlays if your dentist is any good they’ll last as long as amalgam and you can start worry about the mercury in fish instead.

I think you will have your case studies over the next twenty years now that the taboo has been broken and the ADA is forced to admit that yes, indeed these amlgam fillings can be toxic to humans which will in turn fuel more studies into the subject instead of the ostrich approach that has been used up until now.

I’m sure you have trained with plenty of older dentists. Have you not seen more ticks, tremors, twitches and onset of neurodegenerative conditions? I have but the guys that are pretty health conscious don’t seem to be as affected–go figure.

I work with all manner of practitioners across the country to help them integrate nutritional based therapies and detoxification programs into their practices.

Case in point is this study. http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v197/n10/full/4811829a.html

It concludes that dentists have as much as 4 times the mercury in their system but the impact of such toxicity is mentioned to be reported at a later date. I feel that now this issue will be given the attention it deserves and end up in the “whoops” realm of asbestos and lead.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I’m sure you have trained with plenty of older dentists. Have you not seen more ticks, tremors, twitches and onset of neurodegenerative conditions? I have but the guys that are pretty health conscious don’t seem to be as affected–go figure.
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I asked my current dentist how it was that he turned against using mercury amalgams. He said that after years of practice, he started having numb feet. At first it was thought that he might have Multiple Sclerosis. That scared him enough that he started to investigate the amalgam controversy (he had been completely conventional up to that point. That is to say he had maintained the American Dental Association line). When he had his amalgams removed and did a bit of mercury detox, the numbness went away.

I had the numbness, I had the lesions, from more than 12 big ass amalgams I wore over the course of 15 years. Got them removed, felt better the next day, I couldn’t even smoke pot anymore for the pain (those fungal ((mercury binds with candida and uses methyl mercury to kill off competing bacteria))lesions have sharp metallic “fibers” coming out and it hurts like theres no tomorrow) due to the heavy intoxication, they are probably metal-hardened spores. The next day I could, and don’t even think you can explain this by placebo or whatever phenomenon, I was so heavily intoxicated that sometimes I poured milk in my cereals twice and didn’t even notice it (people told me), I was bumping my feet maybe 20 times everyday, and kept stuttering (I used to be very confident and fluid).

The most funny part of this is that you slob all over the place when you hit the point where your body has not anymore enzymes to keep the mercury at bay from your brain. You get kinda autistic and as soon as you lean over to stretch for example, a few tablespoon of saliva squeezes out of nowhere. It’s kinda creepy I know…

You kinda get like the madhatter, mercury was used in hat-making back then.

I think it’s ridiculous to assume mercury squeezes out of the amalgam, the reason that they last so long is they are somewhat flexible, probably not due to the tin, maybe the lead (another friend of pooh) and the zinc. After you seen the smoking teeth video you will think twice about it… I seen the readings from many mercury detection machines and tests, they are actively putting out considerable vapor even after 20 years. Yet there is something very controversial I wouldn’t even dare mentionning in relation to that, that makes some people kind of “immune” or at least asymptomatic to this type of intoxication.

People will listen to movies and think oh yeah they must be ahead of that, but when you search bioengeneering deeply you realise “they” are probably WAY beyond what people consider fantasy.

Food for tought…

Namase !

[quote]storey420 wrote:
I think you will have your case studies over the next twenty years now that the taboo has been broken and the ADA is forced to admit that yes, indeed these amlgam fillings can be toxic to humans which will in turn fuel more studies into the subject instead of the ostrich approach that has been used up until now.

I’m sure you have trained with plenty of older dentists. Have you not seen more ticks, tremors, twitches and onset of neurodegenerative conditions? I have but the guys that are pretty health conscious don’t seem to be as affected–go figure.

I work with all manner of practitioners across the country to help them integrate nutritional based therapies and detoxification programs into their practices.

Case in point is this study. http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v197/n10/full/4811829a.html

It concludes that dentists have as much as 4 times the mercury in their system but the impact of such toxicity is mentioned to be reported at a later date. I feel that now this issue will be given the attention it deserves and end up in the “whoops” realm of asbestos and lead.[/quote]

That study shows one thing, that what I wrote before was correct and dentists are exposed more than anyone. There have also not been more cases of disorders reported in that group than any other from any source I’ve seen.

That would seem odd especially when many of these problems come from word of mouth and not scientific findings in actual patients that have been proven to be caused by one source.

Of course they’re exposed more than other people… but you have not studied in depth the mutagenicity of candida and its 7 mutative cycles and its capacity to lay dormant (on a bed of mercury) in scar tissue ? What challenges candida to move ? Free-Radicals, oh is it starting to make sense now ? :smiley:

I don’t mind, get rich and forget that you heard it from me.

Are you really saying it is alright to put a drop of liquid mercury in a child’s mouth, assuming most of the vapor will leave the mix magically, with not better scientific reference than the other side of the story which you despise ?

Of course it’s not only because of the mercury. But then as long as its there, you can’t heal properly. Even with trace amounts of mercury in the system, enzymes don’t do their job, this had plenty of literrature to back it up. Even small levels degenerate neurons protective coating in a few hours in vitro.

Namase !

Prof X- I must commend your control in this thread.

It seems every other day, some of the posters in this thread would have you believe mercury is going to be the end of humanity.

We shouldn’t eat tuna, or we’ll die.
Don’t get dental work, or you’ll die.

Do you guys fret over microwaving plastic too?

I know a few of you don’t eat peanuts, because well, they’ll cause death too apparently.

[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Of course they’re exposed more than other people… but you have not studied in depth the mutagenicity of candida and its 7 mutative cycles and its capacity to lay dormant (on a bed of mercury) in scar tissue ? What challenges candida to move ? Free-Radicals, oh is it starting to make sense now ? :smiley:

I don’t mind, get rich and forget that you heard it from me.

Are you really saying it is alright to put a drop of liquid mercury in a child’s mouth, assuming most of the vapor will leave the mix magically, with not better scientific reference than the other side of the story which you despise ?

Of course it’s not only because of the mercury. But then as long as its there, you can’t heal properly. Even with trace amounts of mercury in the system, enzymes don’t do their job, this had plenty of literrature to back it up. Even small levels degenerate neurons protective coating in a few hours in vitro.

Namase !
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Fact #1
Elemental mercury is what composes about 50% OF amalgam fillings. Quicksilver (liquid metallic mercury) is poorly absorbed by ingestion and skin contact. It is hazardous due to its potential to release mercury vapour. Animal data indicate that less than 0.01% of ingested mercury is absorbed through the intact gastrointestinal tract; though it may not be true for individuals suffering from ileus. Cases of systemic toxicity from accidental swallowing are rare, and attempted suicide via intravenous injection does not appear to result in systemic toxicity

Fact #2
The consumption of fish is by far the most significant source of ingestion-related mercury exposure in humans, although plants and livestock also contain mercury due to bioaccumulation of mercury from soil, water and atmosphere, and due to biomagnification by ingesting other mercury-containing organisms

Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). “The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds”. Crit Rev Toxicol 36 (8): 609�??62. doi:10.1080/10408440600845619. PMID 16973445.

United States Environmental Protection Agency (December 1997), Mercury Study Report to Congress, vol. 3, Washington, D.C.: United States Environmental Protection Agency, Technical Air Pollution Resources | US EPA

That makes the claims of someone that 15 dental fillings are the single solitary cause for lesions and “Mad Hatter” syndrome suspect at best.

I think the repeated “Namases” (shouldn’t it be Namaste?) are undermining your credibility, at least to me. They indicate long-term exposure to “alternative” medicine and other forms of quackery.

Michael Fumento has a lot of good articles on mercury, all of which support the fact that the mercury we’re using in vaccines and fillings is harmless:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&suggon=0&client=firefox-a&rls=com.google%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=r5Z&q=+mercury++site%3Afumento.com&btnG=Search

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Prof X- I must commend your control in this thread.

It seems every other day, some of the posters in this thread would have you believe mercury is going to be the end of humanity.

We shouldn’t eat tuna, or we’ll die.
Don’t get dental work, or you’ll die.

Do you guys fret over microwaving plastic too?

I know a few of you don’t eat peanuts, because well, they’ll cause death too apparently.

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Informing people of the danger that may have had that knowledge suppressed up to this point in history is a far cry from the “sky is falling” red herring nonsense you just posted.It is a known fact that some day you will die, got it. Many things, substances, activities can and will kill you, got it.

Bottom line–the shit is not safe for use in humans as it has been in the past. People need to know that and have a chance to fix the damage that has been done.

One day those with medical myopia like the Prof. will have a perfect double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study to their hearts content. Meanwhile I’ll be doing what I can on my end to help those that have been affected.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Prof X- I must commend your control in this thread.

It seems every other day, some of the posters in this thread would have you believe mercury is going to be the end of humanity.

We shouldn’t eat tuna, or we’ll die.
Don’t get dental work, or you’ll die.

Do you guys fret over microwaving plastic too?

I know a few of you don’t eat peanuts, because well, they’ll cause death too apparently.

Informing people of the danger that may have had that knowledge suppressed up to this point in history is a far cry from the “sky is falling” red herring nonsense you just posted.It is a known fact that some day you will die, got it. Many things, substances, activities can and will kill you, got it.

Bottom line–the shit is not safe for use in humans as it has been in the past. People need to know that and have a chance to fix the damage that has been done.

One day those with medical myopia like the Prof. will have a perfect double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study to their hearts content. Meanwhile I’ll be doing what I can on my end to help those that have been affected.
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Medical myopia? Because I realize that elemental mercury has very poor uptake into the human body through ingestion or even injeCtion? Because I recognize that what you EAT has more to do with the many symptoms listed regardless of how badly you would like dental amalgams to be the cause?

Science doesn’t jump to conclusions and then force findings to fit what they wanted to see in terms of results. At least it shouldn’t.

Well this definitely explains why everyone with a few fillings is running around mad as a hatter from a lifetime of mercury poisoning. That explains all the crazies on this forum telling me to not eat fish or microwave my food in a plastic dish.

Facts :

1- I’m not running around, thank you.
2- I have eaten suspicious tuna every day for 3 years which trigerred my first symptoms indeed, yet at the time the MDs couldn’t recognize my affection as due to mercury. When I became vegetarian things stabilised for 3-4 years, then the rest was mercury vapour from the fillings.
3- Microwaves can make molecules react intimately, some reactions which take 4 days of continuous reflux can be done under 30 minutes in the microwave. I hope your food is not too complex, plastic or not some carbohydrates are bound to react with some acid and make plastic inside your very food. Perhaps not much , perhaps you can live with it too, I’m here to share information like anyone else, take whats useful, trash the rest !

 I reckon you are right Professor X about the low rate of mercury absorbtion per se, however mercury can change shapes once in your system reacting with free radicals and mythyl mercury is one of them and is poisonous even at trace amounts, especially slow release.

 I've been treated with antibiotics and anti-fungals which only made it worse, I'm saying so people think about what they did eat, and when and if its possible it accumulated in their own. Thats all I'm saying. BTW , if you inject mercury in someone , even if its poorly absorbed, how do you suppose the mercury will be excreted ? I'm very curious about this... because I could use some tips like that would help me detox.

Namase ! (It’s adapted for the internet) why does spelling matters so much anyways ?

KWACKERRYYYYY !

On common… don’t tell me this is a P.S, and I would love to play around with your “safe” mercury simply because mercury is fun and heavy, lets see if I get sick ok ? Please ?

[quote]Ahuae wrote:
2- I have eaten suspicious tuna every day for 3 years which trigerred my first symptoms indeed, yet at the time the MDs couldn’t recognize my affection as due to mercury. [/quote]

Yeah, that was convenient info to leave out. You must have been in a rush before.