Favre Gets A 'Pass' Because He's White

I still think racism is defined in a historic context. Listen theres a line between comedy and real racism and that line is defined around historic events. When a black guy calls a white guy “white boy” that isn’t racist because that phrase has no contextual weight. Cracker would probably be different. When a white guy calls a black guy “n*****r” that goes back to slavery. Thats truly derogatory.

We’re getting to a point b/ we’ve reached that comfort level where comedians of both races can verbally joke using race where verbal racism is becoming less serious.

I think real racism is where prejudice is evident in behavior and action. Do you truly have some kind of problem with a person of another color ie. you dont want black colleagues, you pick on weak white people, etc.

I don’t mind it when comedians make jokes based on race because that shows you that society is becoming more comfortable with itself. Its basically a I know you know that I know its just a joke and I’m outlining it because we all think about it but some of us leave it inside because of paranoia.

Honestly fuck all the racists out there and fuck all the retards that think one dimensionally.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Eielson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Eielson wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Eielson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
“I’m trying to integrate the word cracker into my act these days. Cause a lot of Black comics use the “N” word. I’m tryin’ to use the “C” word.”

  • Mike Birbiglia[/quote]

You definitely have a point there, X. That might be the most racist thing I’ve ever heard.[/quote]

What are you 14?

How is your life that sheltered where that is the “most racist thing” you’ve ever heard?

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Sarcasm?[/quote]

Yes, it was and no less ridiculous. Not only that, but someone posted a more “hardcore” white stand up routine right after mine. It still doesn’t change the fact that the man does comedy and spends a good deal of his show making fun of black comics who make fun of white guys…which we were just told by the lemming in this thread never happens without backlash.

Some of these people do not live in reality and the goal of my post was not show someone simply being hateful and racist. Black comics are not making pure hateful statements and if they were, why the fuck are white people laughing in the audience???

When the hell has Chris Rock ever caused half of his audience to walk out due to offending all of the white people?

A real joke is just a joke…and most people without their heads stuck up their ass can tell the difference.[/quote]

The joke you quoted wasn’t racist at all. He may well say racist things, but that joke wasn’t. I’ve never even heard of this guy, so I can’t really comment on him, and I don’t really want to anyway. I don’t stand by the comedian argument. That’s basically a comedian’s job to make fun of things. I think most people know not to watch comedians if they’re easily offended.

So basically I agree with you, but that quote just wasn’t a good example of racism.[/quote]

Wait, so not only did I mention him by name meaning any of you who aren’t lazy as shit can just go look him up on youtube, I had to find pure racism done in a way that wasn’t funny? Gee, that ain’t fucking comedy.

The previous poster said no white person can ever say anything against black comics who make fun of white people…which is pure bullshit and that quote showed he approached that very issue. It was not meant to show all out racism as you won’t find black comics who are successful screaming pure hate speech on stage.

The real question is, why this needed to be fucking explained to you

I’ve heard Eddie Griffin say “i hate white people” once or twice. He’s successful at being a comic. .[/quote]

[quote]drewh wrote:
Dear God some people, for the minute instances of racism white folk face minorities suffer far worse. I can even one up your shitty scenario, hockey. White people can fight and its a ok, you would NEVER see that in the NBA or NFL. A[/quote]
^^^^ This is why minorities “suffer far worse” and not because of racism.
If you’re wondering what I’m trying to say: I’m calling you fucking stupid.
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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
Dear God some people, for the minute instances of racism white folk face minorities suffer far worse. I can even one up your shitty scenario, hockey. White people can fight and its a ok, you would NEVER see that in the NBA or NFL. And as far as I know they were giving Farve all types of shit. [/quote]

Black people can fight in hockey too.

Man, I really wanna see him fight Chara

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Can’t we all just be friends?[/quote]

no. in fact, i think you’re racist! you wwanna be friends so I can be your token black guy? that’s fucked up!!!

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Can’t we all just be friends?[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Can’t we all just be friends?[/quote]

no. in fact, i think you’re racist! you wwanna be friends so I can be your token black guy? that’s fucked up!!![/quote]

token black guy ?

i thought you were a goth chick

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I still think racism is defined in a historic context. Listen theres a line between comedy and real racism and that line is defined around historic events. When a black guy calls a white guy “white boy” that isn’t racist because that phrase has no contextual weight. Cracker would probably be different. When a white guy calls a black guy “n*****r” that goes back to slavery. Thats truly derogatory.

We’re getting to a point b/ we’ve reached that comfort level where comedians of both races can verbally joke using race where verbal racism is becoming less serious.

I think real racism is where prejudice is evident in behavior and action. Do you truly have some kind of problem with a person of another color ie. you dont want black colleagues, you pick on weak white people, etc.

I don’t mind it when comedians make jokes based on race because that shows you that society is becoming more comfortable with itself. Its basically a I know you know that I know its just a joke and I’m outlining it because we all think about it but some of us leave it inside because of paranoia.

Honestly fuck all the racists out there and fuck all the retards that think one dimensionally.[/quote]

Some of the above is pretty flawed in my opinion. I don’t know how thinks work in NZ, but when a black guy calls a white guy here a “white boy”, his intent is to be racist. Historical context has no bearing at all in my opinion - intent does. I think comedy can go a long way toward healing our differences and making bridges but there really is no serious debate about white v. black comedians and moreoever, white and black media as far as I’m concerned.

If a white comic broaches races, he must do so very carefully. Blacks appear to me to have free reign with it. And black media, like radio in particular, has no such problem like Imus encountered when he broached a racial subject. Each week, I hear something on radio that would get a white DJ fired or suspended.

There absolutely is a double standard in my opinion. And whatever the reason for its existence is unimportant to me but I do believe the existence of a double standard that allows for ANY racism keeps us apart ultimately. It gives the white people that harbor those emotions an excuse to hold on to them. It alienates white people that might otherwise embrace a multi-cultural existence. Comedy has a way of taking the sting away from stereotypes but I’ve seen comedy address it menacingly and cruely too.

Anyway, just my opinions - racism is a pretty complex topic and probably too complex for fair treatment and debate in the confines of an internet chat room.

That said, the premise of the OP is nonsense as I’ve spelled out before. His arguments are weak. And, dress codes exist in the real world, not just the NBA. Hell, my biggest problem dressing for work is casual Fridays or when an employer has been full time casual. Do you wear something that you would normally wear, or do you just put on a more relaxed relatively socially acceptable (for your office) “uniform”. If you’re wise, you do the latter because like it or not, you are socially judged by your “uniform”.

And by the way, it was not that long ago when NBA players were all dressing up. The dress down look is a recent event. We need go no further back than Jordan’s era. And prior to that (Irving, et als) guys were wearing furs, suits, etc. The NBA, its coaches and players, has a long history of “dressing up”. The NBA has an absolute right to impose a dress code and as someone else pointed out, as long as it’s applied evenly, it’s not racist - not even a close call.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
“I’m trying to integrate the word cracker into my act these days. Cause a lot of Black comics use the “N” word. I’m tryin’ to use the “C” word.”

  • Mike Birbiglia[/quote]

Prof X thats our word we can say it not you, We can say Crackaaa but not Crackerrrr…lol

This guy is real funny and refreshing. You have to admit it was about time someone made fun of the stock white guy voice that alot of black comics make. Its almost as if it is there safety joke when a set goes bad…lets pull out the white guy voice…it still works though

[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
Dear God some people, for the minute instances of racism white folk face minorities suffer far worse. I can even one up your shitty scenario, hockey. White people can fight and its a ok, you would NEVER see that in the NBA or NFL. And as far as I know they were giving Farve all types of shit. [/quote]

What would you say if Steve Nash and Kevin Love duked it out to the death? Or what if Donald Brashear and Mike Greer (buffalo sabres) went at it. I’m guessing your head would explode…

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It doesn’t matter, the NBA is seen as a black sport and hockey a white one.
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That is a weak, weak argument. You said it was ok for white people to fight and someone countered that with black hockey players that fight and all you can come up with is “it;s a white sport”? Since you mentioned the NFL, I didn’t see a huge uproar over the Haynesworth-Jacobs fight on MNF last week? Neither guy was ejected from the game and only the instigator got flagged for a penalty.

Usually the track record of the individual(s) in question has more to do with how it’s perceived in the media and by the general public. Favre has never been known to be a trouble maker. He’s a football legend at the end of his career who butted heads with a run-of-the-mill head coach whose coaching career, while solid, is still pretty unaccomplished. I think that has more to do with how things have transpired.

DB

43 super bowls
1 starting black QB with a ring
nuff said

[quote]Splinter36 wrote:

[quote]artw wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Eielson wrote:
That is what a black sports reporter said today on ESPN. He claims that the media would have been all over a black quarterback if he did the things that Favre has done.

As many of you know, Limbaugh claimed something similar except the races were reversed. Limbaugh was made out to be a scum of the Earth racist, and was fired. This black guy is not even being talked about. Oddly enough, Limbaugh had more of a point.

What is the deal with this? Why is it fine for black people to criticize white people on national television, but not the other way around?[/quote]

Political correctness! I feel sorry for you white, middle class males and especially if you happen to be a christian as well. You all have it tough in a world where you all are blamed for all of societies problems. White men and christians are the only two groups that can publicly be made fun of and no one says anything about it.

I hear black comedians all the time talking about the “white boyz”, but let Don Imus make one out of the way remark and their goes his career. My question is, why as a group do white men take such treatment?[/quote]

I think about this issue every time I see Katt Williams or Chris Rock on Comedy Central going off on “white boys”. If white people display any indignance over this comedic double-standard we’re all shot down because being called a white boy and other examples of clear racism towards whites is “nothing compared to the atrocities that blacks have suffered at the hands of whites”. It’s a classic case of wanting to get even rather than wanting equality.[/quote]

Sure thing Ass clown, whites have bent over backwards to give blacks equality… only in america can one race be given exclusionary rights to attend schools and have jobs, while at the same time being underqualified for most… billions upon billions of dollars have been put into the welfare system, housing and tax breaks at a highly disporportionate rate for blacks, yet crime by blacks grossly outnumbers other races by percentage based on the general population…I grew up with black and white friends still do, and you expect me to give a shit about bending over anymore… MR Glock says no f way
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Dude, it’s not a matter of “bending over” to “give” anyone anything. It’s a matter of leveling the playing field again. You have to admit that slavery and segregation set black people waaaaay back in terms of education and financial security. When you take away access to textbooks, school supplies, and teachers with a college education (remember that many blacks weren’t allowed in universities no matter how qualified), you severely cripple an entire generation. Lack of education is one of the leading cause of criminal activity by the way. And how many qualified blacks do you think were turned away from jobs because of their race? Think about it. (By the way, assuming that blacks are for the most part unqualified and only get into schools or paying positions because of their race DOES make you a racist. That is often far from the case.)

That being said I’ll admit that black comedians can be racist. But you seem to be forgetting a little thing called black face comedy: - YouTube. Or shit, what about cartoons like this: - YouTube

So you see, racism had a real effect on blacks across america, as well as on hispanics, asians, etc. Stop acting like it didn’t.

Lauren London is sexy.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
If a white comic broaches races, he must do so very carefully. Blacks appear to me to have free reign with it. And black media, like radio in particular, has no such problem like Imus encountered when he broached a racial subject. Each week, I hear something on radio that would get a white DJ fired or suspended.
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LOL. So when Tiger Woods get caught having sex, everyone thinks it is ok that he loses a few contracts and gets raked through the mud, but Imus says that black women basketball players are “nappy headed hos” and people act surprised that he experienced what he did?

Along with great fame comes great responsibility. The better you are known, the more weight your actions and words carry.

Imus didn’t “broach a racial subject”. He made a direct insult that people across the country heard.

I personally wasn’t affected at all by his statement…and I doubt most black people were aside from the women of that sport. However, WHO you are has much say so on how much affect your words have.

Some unknown tv exec might be able to get away with that. Would the president? Hell no.

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Lauren London is sexy.[/quote]

You are my new best friend

[quote]Enray wrote:

[quote]Splinter36 wrote:

[quote]artw wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Eielson wrote:
That is what a black sports reporter said today on ESPN. He claims that the media would have been all over a black quarterback if he did the things that Favre has done.

As many of you know, Limbaugh claimed something similar except the races were reversed. Limbaugh was made out to be a scum of the Earth racist, and was fired. This black guy is not even being talked about. Oddly enough, Limbaugh had more of a point.

What is the deal with this? Why is it fine for black people to criticize white people on national television, but not the other way around?[/quote]

Political correctness! I feel sorry for you white, middle class males and especially if you happen to be a christian as well. You all have it tough in a world where you all are blamed for all of societies problems. White men and christians are the only two groups that can publicly be made fun of and no one says anything about it.

I hear black comedians all the time talking about the “white boyz”, but let Don Imus make one out of the way remark and their goes his career. My question is, why as a group do white men take such treatment?[/quote]

I think about this issue every time I see Katt Williams or Chris Rock on Comedy Central going off on “white boys”. If white people display any indignance over this comedic double-standard we’re all shot down because being called a white boy and other examples of clear racism towards whites is “nothing compared to the atrocities that blacks have suffered at the hands of whites”. It’s a classic case of wanting to get even rather than wanting equality.[/quote]

Sure thing Ass clown, whites have bent over backwards to give blacks equality… only in america can one race be given exclusionary rights to attend schools and have jobs, while at the same time being underqualified for most… billions upon billions of dollars have been put into the welfare system, housing and tax breaks at a highly disporportionate rate for blacks, yet crime by blacks grossly outnumbers other races by percentage based on the general population…I grew up with black and white friends still do, and you expect me to give a shit about bending over anymore… MR Glock says no f way
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Dude, it’s not a matter of “bending over” to “give” anyone anything. It’s a matter of leveling the playing field again. You have to admit that slavery and segregation set black people waaaaay back in terms of education and financial security. When you take away access to textbooks, school supplies, and teachers with a college education (remember that many blacks weren’t allowed in universities no matter how qualified), you severely cripple an entire generation. Lack of education is one of the leading cause of criminal activity by the way. And how many qualified blacks do you think were turned away from jobs because of their race? Think about it. (By the way, assuming that blacks are for the most part unqualified and only get into schools or paying positions because of their race DOES make you a racist. That is often far from the case.)

That being said I’ll admit that black comedians can be racist. But you seem to be forgetting a little thing called black face comedy: - YouTube. Or shit, what about cartoons like this: - YouTube

So you see, racism had a real effect on blacks across america, as well as on hispanics, asians, etc. Stop acting like it didn’t.[/quote]

I think you made a mistake even responding to that. Anyone in this country who acts like they “gave” black people equality has their head so far up their ass their idea of a view is watching the colon pass more shit.

First day back in the office and you guys get all serious and stuff.

Nice.

Well - I’m racist too. I hate everybody. Equally!!

[quote]Beauzo wrote:
43 super bowls
1 starting black QB with a ring
nuff said[/quote]

Is it white people’s fault that McNabb couldn’t ever win? There have been plenty of black quarterbacks. They just haven’t been good enough to win super bowls, or haven’t had a good enough team around them. It’s not like black quarterbacks are discouraged. Did you watch the Miami vs. Wisconsin game last night? All night the announcers talked about how Jacory Harris wasn’t having a good night, never got in his groove, and mentioned stuff about his “poise” that I never understood. The reality is that Jacory Harris just isn’t that good. He threw a couple of the ugliest passes I’ve ever seen at the collegiate level against Oklahoma. He’s only a sophomore, so maybe he will be good eventually, but the reality is that he just isn’t very good. It isn’t that he was just having an off night.

Teams don’t mind having black players. Even when there actually was racism, they still had black players. When Syracuse saw that Jim Brown could play, they signed Ernie Davis. When they saw Ernie Davis could play, they signed Floyd Little. Eventually everybody started signing black people to play, and look where we are now. Same goes with baseball. The Dodgers signed Jackie Robinson. He played well, and then everybody starting signing black players. Even the racist managers love winning more than they hate black people.

Not a lot of blacks have had success as quarterbacks. In the same way that managers shouldn’t sign somebody just because they’re white, they shouldn’t sign somebody just because they’re black. If he isn’t good, they don’t want him. It’s not because of his skin color. Plenty of blacks have been given their chance. Just because they haven’t won super bowls doesn’t mean that the NFL is racist. Name three starting WR’s in the NFL that are white. Name just ONE starting RB that is white. Name one starting CB. Is this racism?

Even if white people and black people had the same ability to succeed at quarterback, there would still be more white quarterbacks just simply because of the fact that there are more white people.

Well…this explains why could never get into Othello board game.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Well…this explains why could never get into Othello board game.[/quote]

what the hell is that?