Last one and Ill leave you alone Beast
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
I’m AMAZED nobody mentioned Eminem, who probably uses the orchestral stuff more than most. [/quote]
Oh damn. Good point.
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
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First song from a Drake search result:
Albeit this one is much watered down but this is the most consistent commercial sound that is Drake.[/quote]
That strings on that song sound WAY more similar to a song like this:
Not that I would ever say Boi-1da got the idea to make that beat from this song—that’s your terrain.
Again, it really shouldn’t be too hard to get. Drake’s favourite rapper, and his go-to producer’s favourite producer is a bigger influence than some underground group that he may not even like is.
He explicitly gives credit to guys like Kanye. Kanye explicitly gives credit for his decision to use strings a lot to Portishead, and Jon Brion, who he worked with to make those songs.
But you still want to ignore what the artist himself says because you heard a slight similarity?
Don’t worry, I never thought you were a music nerd. Nerds tend to be smart.
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
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First song from a Drake search result:
Albeit this one is much watered down but this is the most consistent commercial sound that is Drake. And I called you deviating from topic and turning it into a bitch fest. I get it, I’m the music nerd and your the one who likes all the “coolest” music with almost no exception. It’s obvious your done actually discussing though so I’m done wasting time replying to you.
One last thing though, Pop artists influence each other through things like chord progressions(they steal each others every other song lol!); Artists like JMT influence other artists entire sound pallets. [/quote]
I tried to stay out of this debate, but I gotta ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? JMT? For real? Shit is weak. I’d never even heard of them! And I do keep my ears open for anything good, and that’s on a global scale. As for the orchestral stuff, it’s been done for so fucking long!! Hell, I remember Xzibit’s “Paparazzi” as being a good one with the music sampling and the vocals. There were so many artists that had gone that route back before JMT and after. I’m AMAZED nobody mentioned Eminem, who probably uses the orchestral stuff more than most. Then, of course, while it’s not necessarily orchestral, you gotta give reference to bands like the Roots who use and perform with a band, or Jay-Z unplugged. This stuff has been around for a good while. JMT is not all that. LOL @ “reign”…[/quote]
First, you really need to look up the definition of “orchestra” because this misunderstanding is getting old, your the second to do it. Second, It’s funny you never heard of them yet I have heard of all of your favorites and have most of their entire catalogs down to memory 
Just remember while you are laughing at these unheard of artists, there are people laughing at you for the oxymoron of pretending to know hip-hop while doing so.
Maybe not too much from the string section, but pretty lush sounding:
It was Portishead.
I mean if you have to find some relatively underground artist to pin all of the credit on so you can feel better about you’re obscure music tastes [congratulations, btw].
Portishead—>Kanye [with Jon Brion]—> Boi-1da, 40 [Drake’s in house producers]
Look at that. JMT are nowhere to be found. And there’s no need to speculate on influence, Kanye and Drake [and his producers] will tell you that themselves.
Since somehow you guys managed to turn this into a bash other peoples music thread I’ll play along with another parody(you probably wouldn’t realize it was a parody if I didn’t say! LOL!)
This is honestly what I hear when I turn on the radio to hear some of your “greats”. Reused chord progressions, simple melodies that a dog could put together using the same sound samples as the next song, and please don’t get me started on the lyrics… The lyrics of a hip-hop song should be able to stand on its own as a coherent poem, put your favorite artists to that test.
"You motherfuckers better do your job and roll up and watch how we roll up and
I can’t control it, can’t hold it, it’s so nuts
I take a sip of that yak, I wanna fuck
I take a hit of that chronic, it got me stuck
But really what’s amazing is how I keep blazing
Towel under the door smoke until the days end
Puff, puff then pass, don’t fuck up rotation
Hpnotic for Henny, now nigga that’s your chaser
Turn nothin to something now pimpin’ that’s a savior
Best things are green now pimp and get your paper
High off the ground instead of skyscraper
Cool off thinkin’ we local, come on homie, we major
We major (come on, homie, we major) [repeat]"
BRILLIANT WRITING! LOL!
“When a live wire lights little metal rail right
When a marvel of engineering steered me clear in to the plight
Right before the bodegas open, after the peak of night before the paper’s delivered
I sat on the corner and sparked a light
The same corner I perched when I zone dropped on the block first
At almost 5 o’clock watching for sun spots or store clerks
Alone spot, almost kinda like the zone was forgot
As if the grid had been reset and couldn’t catch to the clock
Or the stoop was stuck in the past half minute and I sat in it
With a loosie Newpy drift out of my lips, taste - half minted”
It’s like comparing Dr. Seuss to Shakespeare LOL! But then again Dr. Seuss has a much larger audience than any of our modern day Shakespeares.
I tried to be subtle and fucking sympathetic with what I was saying early in the thread, but at the end of the day… At the end of the day, it’s not that Kanye doesn’t try his best to be a great composer of music… He just isn’t equipped with the mental tools for it… And if it makes me an asshole for stating the truth, oh fucking well - sue me. I’m tired of humoring this bullshit that passes off as music and being berated for my own tastes. Go read your fucking Dr. Seuss and I’ll stick with my Shakespeare; lets leave it at that because I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with liking Dr. Seuss. With that said, I’m out of this thread.
^cry more
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
I’m AMAZED nobody mentioned Eminem[/quote]
Eminem at his very best. Love this song
[quote]Deorum wrote:
I tried to be subtle and fucking sympathetic with what I was saying early in the thread, but at the end of the day… At the end of the day, it’s not that Kanye doesn’t try his best to be a great composer of music… He just isn’t equipped with the mental tools for it… And if it makes me an asshole for stating the truth, oh fucking well - sue me. I’m tired of humoring this bullshit that passes off as music and being berated for my own tastes. Go read your fucking Dr. Seuss and I’ll stick with my Shakespeare; lets leave it at that because I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with liking Dr. Seuss. With that said, I’m out of this thread.
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You’re such a douchebag… No srsly
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
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First song from a Drake search result:
Albeit this one is much watered down but this is the most consistent commercial sound that is Drake. And I called you deviating from topic and turning it into a bitch fest. I get it, I’m the music nerd and your the one who likes all the “coolest” music with almost no exception. It’s obvious your done actually discussing though so I’m done wasting time replying to you.
One last thing though, Pop artists influence each other through things like chord progressions(they steal each others every other song lol!); Artists like JMT influence other artists entire sound pallets. [/quote]
I tried to stay out of this debate, but I gotta ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? JMT? For real? Shit is weak. I’d never even heard of them! And I do keep my ears open for anything good, and that’s on a global scale. As for the orchestral stuff, it’s been done for so fucking long!! Hell, I remember Xzibit’s “Paparazzi” as being a good one with the music sampling and the vocals. There were so many artists that had gone that route back before JMT and after. I’m AMAZED nobody mentioned Eminem, who probably uses the orchestral stuff more than most. Then, of course, while it’s not necessarily orchestral, you gotta give reference to bands like the Roots who use and perform with a band, or Jay-Z unplugged. This stuff has been around for a good while. JMT is not all that. LOL @ “reign”…[/quote]
First, you really need to look up the definition of “orchestra” because this misunderstanding is getting old, your the second to do it. Second, It’s funny you never heard of them yet I have heard of all of your favorites and have most of their entire catalogs down to memory
Just remember while you are laughing at these unheard of artists, there are people laughing at you for the oxymoron of pretending to know hip-hop while doing so.
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I’m probably a lot more versed in orchestral music than you are, sport. But…since you requested this:
Orchestra-A large group of musicians who play together on various instruments, usually including strings, woodwinds, brass instruments, and percussion instruments.
A further example can be found on page 2 (Un Bolero Azul), or, for a more immediate representation:
Choose your internet battles wisely.
At the moment these 2:
of course…
IMO this is the sound that Drake attempts to make. The image of the intellectual street thug who would take your score on the SAT, take you to school in a debate, and then beat your ass for saying something slick. Dom Kennedy molds a sound of his own, owns it and then makes you want to hold it. Besides intelligent lyrics and production that is the last variable in the equation of what is dope hip-hop to me. Doing the prior two while making it your own, nobody else’s… This isn’t a same sex marriage - rappers don’t need to hold hands with their sounds and circle jerk with their music production, stealing everything they can from each other.
Drake doesn’t try to sound like thug at all. He doesn’t do aggressive content.
Does his sound sound aggressive? There is no peacock posturing in Dom Kennedy, only raw intelligent lyrics and production driven by a style that took root in a hood a lot like the one we are familiar with.
Even when he is talking about things that I assume your labeling “aggressive” he does it without posturing(something that is rare as all fucking hell in hip-hop) and represents it in it’s best form.
Hey, you said street thug, not me. Drake doesn’t try to do “street thug”.
I liked Dom on this Curren$y song:
Curreen$y’s one of the best in the game right now. He’s got 2 great albums with Ski Beatz [of Dead Presidents], and now he’s doing one with Alchemist.