All this talk about a song called I against I reminded me a fave of mine also called I against I from way back tho…
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
^Sampling or adding stringed instruments is nothing new in popular or underground rap.
See: RZA, Kanye’s beats on his own records.[/quote]
It isn’t stringed instruments its full ranged(well semi-full at the least) orchestral samples. I’m very familiar with RZA’s body of work as well as Kanye’s work. If, however, you had an example of RZA using such production pre 1997ish I would be very interested in hearing it. I’m fairly sure such a thing doesn’t exist though. Kanye hasn’t been around long enough to be in this discussion.[/quote]
ha, the song that popped into my head when I mentioned RZA was from Wu-Tang Forever I believe, so that’d be 97. If I can think of one from before then I’ll post it.
But I don’t see how you keep Kanye out of that discussion. Drake’s favourite rapper is Kanye West. Drake’s favourite album is Graduation. Kanye is DEFINITELY more likely to be the influence than JMT. And Drake’s given him credit for his huge influence [and so have his 2 go-to producers].
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
I like the contrast of a slow, pleasant, peaceful song with my training sessions. [/quote]
Same here man. Slow songs clears my mind and makes me focus more on the exercise. I usually listen to Jack Johnson when I work out.
I have no idea what my favourite song ever is, but this one always gets me in a good mood:
for what its worth the song theUofH posted was originally by Yes…and is much better:
As for my favorite song: probably this one:
Obviously, this is the greatest song of all time…
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
^Sampling or adding stringed instruments is nothing new in popular or underground rap.
See: RZA, Kanye’s beats on his own records.[/quote]
It isn’t stringed instruments its full ranged(well semi-full at the least) orchestral samples. I’m very familiar with RZA’s body of work as well as Kanye’s work. If, however, you had an example of RZA using such production pre 1997ish I would be very interested in hearing it. I’m fairly sure such a thing doesn’t exist though. Kanye hasn’t been around long enough to be in this discussion.[/quote]
ha, the song that popped into my head when I mentioned RZA was from Wu-Tang Forever I believe, so that’d be 97. If I can think of one from before then I’ll post it.
But I don’t see how you keep Kanye out of that discussion. Drake’s favourite rapper is Kanye West. Drake’s favourite album is Graduation. Kanye is DEFINITELY more likely to be the influence than JMT. And Drake’s given him credit for his huge influence [and so have his 2 go-to producers]. [/quote]
I’m trying not to derail this thread but I don’t know if I should just repeat myself for you? Kanye has not been around long enough to be relevant in this particular discussion. As for Wu-Tang Forever there is no sample in the entire album even resembling something orchestral. An orchestra is an ensemble of instruments not one… Ehhh Forget I said anything to be honest.
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
^Sampling or adding stringed instruments is nothing new in popular or underground rap.
See: RZA, Kanye’s beats on his own records.[/quote]
It isn’t stringed instruments its full ranged(well semi-full at the least) orchestral samples. I’m very familiar with RZA’s body of work as well as Kanye’s work. If, however, you had an example of RZA using such production pre 1997ish I would be very interested in hearing it. I’m fairly sure such a thing doesn’t exist though. Kanye hasn’t been around long enough to be in this discussion.[/quote]
ha, the song that popped into my head when I mentioned RZA was from Wu-Tang Forever I believe, so that’d be 97. If I can think of one from before then I’ll post it.
But I don’t see how you keep Kanye out of that discussion. Drake’s favourite rapper is Kanye West. Drake’s favourite album is Graduation. Kanye is DEFINITELY more likely to be the influence than JMT. And Drake’s given him credit for his huge influence [and so have his 2 go-to producers]. [/quote]
I’m trying not to derail this thread but I don’t know if I should just repeat myself for you? Kanye has not been around long enough to be relevant in this particular discussion. As for Wu-Tang Forever there is no sample in the entire album even resembling something orchestral. An orchestra is an ensemble of instruments not one… Ehhh Forget I said anything to be honest.
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You said this:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Not many groups had an impact on Hip-Hop as much as Jedi Mind Tricks. In recent, we are seeing their impact in mainstream hip-hop with a huuuuge increase in orchestral-type sampling going on (albeit its done rather whack in comparison). Drake is the prime example of this. I would shit my pants if he actually named them as an influence though lol.
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You are completely wrong if you think Drake’s favourite rapper had less of an influence on him than some underground group he may or may not like.
You are completely wrong if you think JMT have a bigger impact on mainstream trends than Kanye West. And he’s been producing for 10+ years now, he’s been around for a while and definitely enough to influence the next generation of stars. This isn’t even up for debate, they say he influenced them on their own. I don’t about any of those guys mentioning JMT.
And since you noticed a trend in mainstream rap, anybody else doing those kinds samples? And have any of them alluded to being influenced by JMT, or is that just a long stretch you made?
You’re giving way too much credit to some group you happen to like. They’re not that important.
But if it’s to hard for you to get…forget I said anything.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
^Sampling or adding stringed instruments is nothing new in popular or underground rap.
See: RZA, Kanye’s beats on his own records.[/quote]
It isn’t stringed instruments its full ranged(well semi-full at the least) orchestral samples. I’m very familiar with RZA’s body of work as well as Kanye’s work. If, however, you had an example of RZA using such production pre 1997ish I would be very interested in hearing it. I’m fairly sure such a thing doesn’t exist though. Kanye hasn’t been around long enough to be in this discussion.[/quote]
ha, the song that popped into my head when I mentioned RZA was from Wu-Tang Forever I believe, so that’d be 97. If I can think of one from before then I’ll post it.
But I don’t see how you keep Kanye out of that discussion. Drake’s favourite rapper is Kanye West. Drake’s favourite album is Graduation. Kanye is DEFINITELY more likely to be the influence than JMT. And Drake’s given him credit for his huge influence [and so have his 2 go-to producers]. [/quote]
I’m trying not to derail this thread but I don’t know if I should just repeat myself for you? Kanye has not been around long enough to be relevant in this particular discussion. As for Wu-Tang Forever there is no sample in the entire album even resembling something orchestral. An orchestra is an ensemble of instruments not one… Ehhh Forget I said anything to be honest.
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You said this:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Not many groups had an impact on Hip-Hop as much as Jedi Mind Tricks. In recent, we are seeing their impact in mainstream hip-hop with a huuuuge increase in orchestral-type sampling going on (albeit its done rather whack in comparison). Drake is the prime example of this. I would shit my pants if he actually named them as an influence though lol.
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You are completely wrong if you think Drake’s favourite rapper had less of an influence on him than some underground group he may or may not like.
You are completely wrong if you think JMT have a bigger impact on mainstream trends than Kanye West. And he’s been producing for 10+ years now, he’s been around for a while and definitely enough to influence the next generation of stars. This isn’t even up for debate, they say he influenced them on their own. I don’t about any of those guys mentioning JMT.
And since you noticed a trend in mainstream rap, anybody else doing those kinds samples? And have any of them alluded to being influenced by JMT, or is that just a long stretch you made?
You’re giving way too much credit to some group you happen to like. They’re not that important.
But if it’s to hard for you to get…forget I said anything.[/quote]
Lol, much like your closing line everything your saying lacks original thought. You somehow quoted me but still wound up far away from the original point. I never said JMT had more influence on drake than anybody(that is you projecting thoughts). To the contrary, I even said the idea of Drake giving any credit to them would be laughable. “Artists” like Kanye have very short term effects on music, I was showing you the long term effects that artists like JMT have. It is a completely different ballpark. And you are sadly mistaken if you think “artists” like Drake have artistic control over their own projects… They are owned by their record companies and they determine what music they put out. Regardless we can agree to disagree.
I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings but if we are not going to talk about Orchestral sampling in Hip-Hop I really am not interested at the moment(that means no I don’t want to directly discuss Kanye, Drake, or even JMT). The use of Orchestral samples was the only thing I was trying to discuss(if I was even trying to have a discussion, I think I was trying to point something out that is very apparent in a side by side comparison).
PS Somehow I know you are going to reply to me and completely change the subject again like you did with your other posts(Orchestral samples turned into stringed instruments, JMT turned into Kanye(funny you accused me of having an artist bias lol), RZA disappeared from discussion, so on lol - at least keep consistent with yourself!) If that happens again I probably won’t bother. If somehow you bring up something relevant to Orchestral sampling in hip-hop I would love to continue. I don’t want to have a bitch fest over who you think is better though(as you are trying to turn it into, name dropping artists who are irrelevant in this).
My favorite song changes a lot, but right now it would have to be Primordials Empire Falls. Epic, emotional and honest Black /Folk Metal, with a strong Irish feeling
And for the more aggressive type
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
^Sampling or adding stringed instruments is nothing new in popular or underground rap.
See: RZA, Kanye’s beats on his own records.[/quote]
It isn’t stringed instruments its full ranged(well semi-full at the least) orchestral samples. I’m very familiar with RZA’s body of work as well as Kanye’s work. If, however, you had an example of RZA using such production pre 1997ish I would be very interested in hearing it. I’m fairly sure such a thing doesn’t exist though. Kanye hasn’t been around long enough to be in this discussion.[/quote]
ha, the song that popped into my head when I mentioned RZA was from Wu-Tang Forever I believe, so that’d be 97. If I can think of one from before then I’ll post it.
But I don’t see how you keep Kanye out of that discussion. Drake’s favourite rapper is Kanye West. Drake’s favourite album is Graduation. Kanye is DEFINITELY more likely to be the influence than JMT. And Drake’s given him credit for his huge influence [and so have his 2 go-to producers]. [/quote]
I’m trying not to derail this thread but I don’t know if I should just repeat myself for you? Kanye has not been around long enough to be relevant in this particular discussion. As for Wu-Tang Forever there is no sample in the entire album even resembling something orchestral. An orchestra is an ensemble of instruments not one… Ehhh Forget I said anything to be honest.
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You said this:
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Not many groups had an impact on Hip-Hop as much as Jedi Mind Tricks. In recent, we are seeing their impact in mainstream hip-hop with a huuuuge increase in orchestral-type sampling going on (albeit its done rather whack in comparison). Drake is the prime example of this. I would shit my pants if he actually named them as an influence though lol.
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You are completely wrong if you think Drake’s favourite rapper had less of an influence on him than some underground group he may or may not like.
You are completely wrong if you think JMT have a bigger impact on mainstream trends than Kanye West. And he’s been producing for 10+ years now, he’s been around for a while and definitely enough to influence the next generation of stars. This isn’t even up for debate, they say he influenced them on their own. I don’t about any of those guys mentioning JMT.
And since you noticed a trend in mainstream rap, anybody else doing those kinds samples? And have any of them alluded to being influenced by JMT, or is that just a long stretch you made?
You’re giving way too much credit to some group you happen to like. They’re not that important.
But if it’s to hard for you to get…forget I said anything.[/quote]
Lol, much like your closing line everything your saying lacks original thought. You somehow quoted me but still wound up far away from the original point. And you are sadly mistaken if you think “artists” like Drake have artistic control over their own projects… They are owned by their record companies and they determine what music they put out. Regardless we can agree to disagree.
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No…I didn’t. You just made a stupid point and can’t admit you were off…you think some small time underground group have more influence on a mainstream rapper than someone that rapper actually claimed is an influence and gives loads of credit to.
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
And I’m almost sure you aren’t speaking from any position of authority on the recording process when you made that last comment [if I’m wrong feel free to tell me otherwise]. Drake’s album sounded like the music he was putting out for free on his own the year before. Sounds like he enjoys making that kind of music. If anything it sounds like he had more freedom than most, given the timing and the way he signed to a label.
And if he didn’t have control, doesn’t that still meant JMT had no influence? So you’d still be wrong? Face it, no one cares about your favourite group. That doesn’t mean they’re bad at music.
EDIT: No one cares about your orchestral sampling hip hop thing either. But for what it’s worth I did discuss it for a second there…
You said JMT were having a big impact by influencing this kind of production…any other examples of popular songs that have this sound? Or musicians.
You know…to show that you’re whole point wasn’t just made up.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
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First song from a Drake search result:
Albeit this one is much watered down but this is the most consistent commercial sound that is Drake. And I called you deviating from topic and turning it into a bitch fest. I get it, I’m the music nerd and your the one who likes all the “coolest” music with almost no exception. It’s obvious your done actually discussing though so I’m done wasting time replying to you.
One last thing though, Pop artists influence each other through things like chord progressions(they steal each others every other song lol!); Artists like JMT influence other artists entire sound pallets.
how do you pick?
my favorite for those last damn pulls
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
What else did you mean by saying they’re having a big impact now and then citing ONE, only one Drake song? Do you have any other Drake songs that do this, or any other mainstream hip hop musicians who are making this their go-to sound? I mean, you said they were having a big impact… I can think of one more but he also took after Kanye.
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First song from a Drake search result:
Albeit this one is much watered down but this is the most consistent commercial sound that is Drake. And I called you deviating from topic and turning it into a bitch fest. I get it, I’m the music nerd and your the one who likes all the “coolest” music with almost no exception. It’s obvious your done actually discussing though so I’m done wasting time replying to you.
One last thing though, Pop artists influence each other through things like chord progressions(they steal each others every other song lol!); Artists like JMT influence other artists entire sound pallets. [/quote]
I tried to stay out of this debate, but I gotta ask: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? JMT? For real? Shit is weak. I’d never even heard of them! And I do keep my ears open for anything good, and that’s on a global scale. As for the orchestral stuff, it’s been done for so fucking long!! Hell, I remember Xzibit’s “Paparazzi” as being a good one with the music sampling and the vocals. There were so many artists that had gone that route back before JMT and after. I’m AMAZED nobody mentioned Eminem, who probably uses the orchestral stuff more than most. Then, of course, while it’s not necessarily orchestral, you gotta give reference to bands like the Roots who use and perform with a band, or Jay-Z unplugged. This stuff has been around for a good while. JMT is not all that. LOL @ “reign”…
Jeru orchestral background in 1994…ain the devil happy
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Jeru orchestral background in 1994…ain the devil happy
I’m sitting here rolling right now! Brings back memories. I can’t help but think of Video Music Box, then 98.7 KissFM with DJ Red Alert!! Miss NY sometimes.
Nothing like Video Music Box right after school straight to Rap city! Ralph is a great guy met him a few times also met Chuck Chillout once outside a club that we BOTH couldnt get into!
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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Nothing like Video Music Box right after school straight to Rap city! Ralph is a great guy met him a few times also met Chuck Chillout once outside a club that we BOTH couldnt get into!
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It was a progression for me. VMB was a constant in NY, but didn’t have cable until I moved to VA. That’s when I found Rap City and Video Soul! Damn…things just ain’t the same.
Bro, everything about me as far as my likes (espescially musically) screams the 1990’s my ipod is jam packed with music from that era, its my formative years, some real tough times and some real good times but all in all the 90’s is where I grew up…
Ralph McDaniels and Crazy Sam were like my babysitters after school. LOL