In context of carnivore support this presumes Neolithic people only ate meat, and this isn’t true. The Neolithic diet included plants, animals, dairy and nuts/seeds et cetera.
I think observations around dietary change and life expectancy are more indicative of supporting the Caveman diet vs. than Carnivore.
How so?
I was simply stating that Paleolithic man (Caveman) lived much longer than people think.
Neolithic’s man life expectancy went down because they became much more dependent on crops like wheat and ate much less meat and plants/fruits. They were “hunting and gathering” much less.
This is how. Carnivore diet doesn’t allow for fruits/veggies. The Paleolithic or Caveman diet does.
I am not arguing in favor of the carnivore diet.
I still do not see how what I wrote presumes Neolithic man ate only meat.
You wrote “Neolithic diet included plants, animals, dairy and nuts/seeds et cetera.” but, then mention Paleolithic or Caveman.
I was overlaying the overarching context.
No, you weren’t. You got confused or misread.
I don’t care what anyone says. I was feeling primal today after eating a ribeye steak.
I ate a New York strip for breakfast and I’m going to do it again tomorrow.
Your ancestors smile upon you, young warrior.
I’d estimate 1 pound of beef, half a pound of venison, roughly half a pound of turkey and 5 whole eggs with cheese yesterday.
The berries and vegetables I ate it all with were palatable to delicious, and reaping the benefits of both made me feel strong like a grizzly bear 
I’d say you need a little more salmon for that. And, of course, honey.
I don’t know about you guys, but I can sense the spirit of Ursus connecting with me every time I wear my toe shoes out in public.
Walking among the unawakened with individual toes articulating independently has allowed me to attain a level of primal awareness previously believed to be impossible.
This is part of the reason I wear “bearfoot shoes”. And I specifically got the suede vs the canvas ones because I wanted it to be made of animals.
Little late to the conversation
When given pasta with chicken and broccoli, my kid will go to town on broccoli and ask for more before even finishing his pasta and chicken. I, as an adult, cannot stand broccoli and usually trade chicken with him. I don’t know if I’m childish or wise now.
Half of my ancestors ate lots of red meat - buffalo was the main one, by far, but also elk, deer, antelope, etc. But they also ate wild fruits and vegetables. For fruits, they probably had plums, currants, chokecherries, raspberries, strawberries, etc. I can’t think of as many things that we now call vegetables, but I know they ate wild onions and wild turnips. And lambsquarters, which I’ve heard compared to spinach. Never tried it myself. Also lots of roots and plants that they’d use to make teas with, such as dandelions, yucca, wild mint, etc. Most of those fall into either vegetables or herbs in my mind.
They were smart enough to understand you had to heat/boil the hell out of these things BEFORE you consumed them. It’s funny how we unlearned this knowledge. Learning the wisdom of how older cultures interacted with the environment is really telling.
Interesting bit about the broccoli with the kiddo. Must be something in the broccoli his body is wanting. They eat any redmeat/eggs? My kiddo was BIG into tri tip when they were young, then went through a food rut of VERY little meat, and now they’re back on the steak train.
So would you say this is how you think of vegetables? If heated/boiled, they’re “better”? 'Cause I’ve never enjoyed raw vegetables (I’m thinking more broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, stuff like that. Cucumbers, spinach, lettuce - I don’t mind stuff that’s basically water) but I enjoy cooked ones like peppers and onions on a fajita or something like that.
Not as much as you, haha. But at least a couple meals a week, yes. I can’t get him to enjoy steak yet. And eggs are eaten pretty much daily.
More that eating them raw is a terrible idea. Reference the whole “plants don’t want to be eaten” thing. Plants create natural pesticides to defend themselves, and we ARE pests to them. They don’t want you to eat their seeds, stems, leaves, etc. The only parts they offer TO be eaten are the fruit. So if you ARE going to eat a plant in some sort of survival/starvation situation, you need to cook the crap out of it. It’s why you’ll see so many tribal cultures with traditions of cooking plants for DAYS before they get eaten, or why our grandparents would always cook veggies to the point that they were a mush/paste.
Good to hear on the eggs! They’re such a fantastic food. I get the steak thing too: it’s hard to learn how to eat, compared to ground meat, which is effectively “pre-chewed”
Do you have any sources you’d recommend for this stuff? Several years ago, my uncle who listens to Joe Rogan nonstop came in talking about vegetables fighting back the only way they were capable of. To be honest, I brushed it aside as another conspiracy of his, haha. I tend to place a little more trust in what you say, so I wouldn’t mind looking more into this.
I’ll tag you in a post on my log, just to avoid going too far down the rabbithole here
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