[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Npccompetitor69 wrote:
Oh my bad just thought you guys might like to know what the guys on the Olympia stage are doing.
no…one…cares
seriously, consider the demographic you are preaching to in this forum.
if it’s your “job” to train, eat, inject and sleep all day in order to compete, then that type of abuse is required…how many on this forum fall into that category!!![/quote]
Juice have you experience any kidneys pain from oral cicle?
[quote]rip2dhush wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Npccompetitor69 wrote:
Oh my bad just thought you guys might like to know what the guys on the Olympia stage are doing.
no…one…cares
seriously, consider the demographic you are preaching to in this forum.
if it’s your “job” to train, eat, inject and sleep all day in order to compete, then that type of abuse is required…how many on this forum fall into that category!!!
Juice have you experience any kidneys pain from oral cicle?
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can’t say i have…although i’ve never run an oral only cycle…just designed a few for people i know, and they have had no issues that i know of. i guess bloodwork would give a better idea of whats going on.
I have never experienced any kidney pain from doing 150 mg of anadrol a day along with 50 mg of dball but I switch every three weeks to avoid receptor downgrade. I notice alot of you guys having problems with these tiny tiny cycles…
I wonder how many of you guys are hypochondriacs, seriously. i know hundreds of guys that do in 3 days what most of you do in 8 weeks without trouble.
So do you get bloodwork done regularly?
I’ve seen people’s blood work from “tiny” cycles and they’re fucked up. I have no idea how fucked up your lipid panels must be. Aside from your liver enzymes. If you’re not a troll and just making shit up then I’m amazed you dont’ have some major health issues. That’s not me giving you shit either just calling it how I see it. BTW I’m not a hypocondriac in the least bit, nor am I suicidal.
you guys will never go anywhere in bodybuiling.
[quote]Npccompetitor69 wrote:
you guys will never go anywhere in bodybuiling.[/quote]
You are so full of shit. I don’t believe anything you say buddy. Total troll!!
[quote]Npccompetitor69 wrote:
you guys will never go anywhere in bodybuiling.[/quote]
If you knew your shit, you would know that bodybuilding is all about genetics anyway. Drugs just enhance what you already have.
The amount of drugs that a lot of these NPC ‘pro wannabees’ take, in order to try and get their cards is staggering, not to mention that they end up pissing most of it out.
When you go on to realise that only a very small percentage of all Bodybuilders actually achieve a procard, and of them an even smaller sliver, actually are able to compete and do well and make a living doing it, it seems pretty stupid to make your above remark, irregardless of what ‘position’ in the sport you have achieved.
Most of these guys (on this board) goals are not competively driven, rather more realistic goals of putting on 10 or 20 lbs of solid muscle.
Most have lives outside the gym, and jobs…, and most plan on seeing the other side of middle age.
You and your ‘camp’ obviously don’t look that far ahead, and knowing how much the average NPC competitor spends in a year to achieve the look they do, and with the knowledge that only a fraction of them will ever achieve some kind of notoriety at all or make a decent living pretty much converts your pompous ‘know it all’ thinking and attitude into just plain stupidity.
I don’t flame that often, but cheeco you had it comming.
Aside from it being highly unlikely you’ll ever reach that elite level, the rewards SUCK DICK! Even Mr. Olympia doesn’t pay as well as being the most suck ass player in the NFL. But back to my original question, what about your health NPC what’s your bloodwork look like? That’s not a hypo question or the question of a pussy just someone who doesn’t want to kill themself.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Npccompetitor69 wrote:
you guys will never go anywhere in bodybuiling.
If you knew your shit, you would know that bodybuilding is all about genetics anyway. Drugs just enhance what you already have.
The amount of drugs that a lot of these NPC ‘pro wannabees’ take, in order to try and get their cards is staggering, not to mention that they end up pissing most of it out.
When you go on to realise that only a very small percentage of all Bodybuilders actually achieve a procard, and of them an even smaller sliver, actually are able to compete and do well and make a living doing it, it seems pretty stupid to make your above remark, irregardless of what ‘position’ in the sport you have achieved.
Most of these guys (on this board) goals are not competively driven, rather more realistic goals of putting on 10 or 20 lbs of solid muscle.
Most have lives outside the gym, and jobs…, and most plan on seeing the other side of middle age.
You and your ‘camp’ obviously don’t look that far ahead, and knowing how much the average NPC competitor spends in a year to achieve the look they do, and with the knowledge that only a fraction of them will ever achieve some kind of notoriety at all or make a decent living pretty much converts your pompous ‘know it all’ thinking and attitude into just plain stupidity.
I don’t flame that often, but cheeco you had it comming. [/quote]
Npccompetitor69 you pissed of the wrong person. Take your superhero olympian ass and get steppin. You get no respect on this board.
[quote]Npccompetitor69 wrote:
i know hundreds of guys that do in 3 days what most of you do in 8 weeks without trouble. [/quote]
Lets name a few.
Tom Prince
Flex Wheeler
Mike Morris
Don Youngblood (R.I.P)
Mike Matarrazo
Most of the guys you listed also did a lot of recreational drugs along with huge cycles…and bodybuilding isnt just genetics thats a weak ass excuse for not working out Flex Wheeler had the best genetics aND COULDNT PULL OFF A WIN BECAUSE HE WAS A LAZY TRAINER… sorry hit the cap lock…Dorian had ok genetics and did pretty well Rich gaspari had horrible genetics and did well Dave Palumbo had bad genetics.
You can look ok doing these beach body cycles and get up to about 210 in decent shape but if anyone wants to get on a regional stage and do well let alone a national stage you guys need to change your thinking.
How about those of us how don’t want to die of heart failure by the time we’re in our 50’s? You haven’t adressed a single one of my questions bro?
[quote]WideGuy wrote:
How about those of us how don’t want to die of heart failure by the time we’re in our 50’s? You haven’t adressed a single one of my questions bro? [/quote]
He can’t. Not every 16 year old will know what a blood panel is.
Ok, first off, I have a lot of respect for a small amount of the people on here, and respect for some of the other people on here, but NPC competitor is someone I know in real life, and regardless of the bullshit anyone on here spews, he has results (aka a respectable physique) to show for what he has done.
NOw, understanding that there are all different fields of thought, he may be less responsible and more ‘old school’ then a lot of people on here. It is all about perspective… Yes, he is a bodybuilder, yes, sometimes bodybuilders use disinformation to keep their hard won knowledge exclusive (I am sure some can appreciate that) and then you have just down right abuse.
I don’t know, I am just a twenty something who trys to research and talk to people and figure out what the fuck is real…
Mike what’s your point? I was only asking if the guy is at all worried about his health. I kinda think that’s what most are asking here. To be honest I’m “kinda” intrigued but he has not said a word about his long term health wich makes me think he doesnt’ care at all. I do. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Everything is fine, been doing this for about 20 years now . Blood pressure is lower than normal, cholesterol very low, and i can honestly say all the guys i started training with and some still compete have no side effects other than looking 10 years younger than we should and being incredibly healthy. i train with guys 20 years younger and bury them in workouts. You would think more top pros would be dead. Look at the guys from pumping Iron those guys abused steroids more than anyone and Only Ed corny has health problems.
Wide guy, my point was simply that NPC MAY have a point, as well as other people on this board and in this thread, it is just a matter of perspective, as you obviously know, I lean more towards YOUR perspective, I would rather maximize my benefits and minimize risks, looking out for my health, alas, I don’t use steroids and don’t know if I will. That is the question for me right now, would I want to have to come down after putting 500 mgs+ of testosterone in my body for 12-16 weeks
Ok. I have to be skeptical here NPC you take mega doses for long peroids of time but have no problems with cholesterol at all? No high blood pressure? No elevated liver enzymes?
How??
My f’in bloodpressure gets elevated just from a few weeks of tren, test, drol. What do you do and how do you do it to avoid these things? Is your diet perfectly clean? Lots of cardio, fish oils, hawthorne berry, coq10 ect. ect. ect. Anything at all? I’m intrigued.
My liver enzymes always go off the scale during a cycle, thats to be expected, but go back to normal soon as i come off. I’m not sure how my cholesterol and blood pressure stay low, I think I’m just kinda lucky but if they didnt i would experiment with dosage and types to keep everything healthy.
I’m not saying you guys should do endless mega dose cycles unless your trying to compete. But if your trying to gain 10 pounds do it in 16 weeks rather than taking two years on smaller cycles.
muscle_mike,
I’m pretty sure Wideguy asked NPC69. Why are you answering for him? Did you forget to switch back to your NPC69 identity?