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verse
tr. & intr.v. versed, vers?ing, vers?es
I’ve been reading the Gospel of Thomas lately and there is some wild stuff in there! I mean, it’s just like walking along, with the apostles and Jesus in the lead, and Jesus speaking.
This Gospel was found in 1945 along with the Nag Hamadi scrolls, and appears to be written in the time shortly after Jesus’ crucifixion.
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I’m not a traditional Christian at all, but I don’t think the old testament has anything to do with Christianity. Christianity is the new testament.
My favorite:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
[quote]bikemike wrote:
I’m not a traditional Christian at all, but I don’t think the old testament has anything to do with Christianity. Christianity is the new testament.
My favorite:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.[/quote]
Good point. Good verse.
I believe the Old Testament was to establish laws/rules for those living during that time prior to the arrival of Christ. You can easily take much of it out of context and skew what being a Christian is really about. But you can do that with stuff in the New Testament too. Anything can be taken out of context. Non-believers and non-Christians have a habit of finding particular verses and using them to contradict something or to only support what they want to believe.
[quote]haney wrote:
I mostly just appreciate. I have some basic talent but never carried it far.
I have some friends that are great musicians so that helps keep me in the know on some things.
What instrument do you play?[/quote]
Stacey played the French Horn for many years. She was a double major, but she recently decided to give up French Horn to focus on other areas. She also plays numerous other instruments, but she is now focused on voice and conducting.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
haney wrote:
I mostly just appreciate. I have some basic talent but never carried it far.
I have some friends that are great musicians so that helps keep me in the know on some things.
What instrument do you play?
Stacey played the French Horn for many years. She was a double major, but she recently decided to give up French Horn to focus on other areas. She also plays numerous other instruments, but she is now focused on voice and conducting.[/quote]
Everytime I think of a french horn I think star wars theme song…
[quote]bikemike wrote:
I’m not a traditional Christian at all, but I don’t think the old testament has anything to do with Christianity. Christianity is the new testament.
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I’m sorry but I must disagree with your statement. The whole bible must be taken into account and viewed as a whole otherwise you can really get into some problems/misundestandings by using passages out of context.
The bible tells us the story of God’s relationship with mankind and his plans to fix up the schism in our relationship with Him which was caused by our rebellion against Him (sin).
Right from the start in Genesis 3 we see that a plan is going to be put in place to rectify the relationship. Mankind is cursed for our sin, but God also curses the serpent (Satan) by promising that their will be an offspring of Eve in the future who will “crush” the serpent. After this the bible is about the search for the “serpent crusher”, who of course ends up being Christ who defeats sin by His death and resurrection.
The old testament also documents how much God loves His people, no matter how stubborn or rebellious they were. It is very important for working out what God’s character is like. One aspect of this is that God’s faithfulness is shown by all of the promises made in the OT about Christ come true in the NT.
When Christ refers to “the Scriptures” in the NT, he is talking about the writings that you find in the OT, so it is relevant to the NT and Christianity.
Also, there are many books in the NT that you would not understand without knowing the OT, Hebrews is a classic example because most of it is a comparison between the old sacrificial system of the Israelites and the sacrifice made by Christ.
I hope this helps, if you want to talk about it more let me know, I love discussing this stuff!
Cheers,
Ben
This reminds me of a discussion in college with my roommate. I’d never read Ecclesiastes and he warned me it was incredibly depressing. “Vanity of vanities, all is vanity” and that sort of thing.
Instead, when I read it, I found it very liberating. All my life I’d been fed simple answers out of the Bible, but here was that admitted life is incredibly complex, nothing lasts, we’re all going to die, in much wisdom there is much grief, BUT "There is nothing better for a man than to eat and drink and tell himself that his labor is good. This also I have seen that it is from the hand of God. (Ecclesiastes 2:24-25).
I love that line… “tell himself that his labor is good.” Ultimately, we either choose to see our own lives as good or we are overwhelmed by a pointless quest for meaning and wealth.
Also, these verses: "I have seen everything during my lifetime of futility; there is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his wickedness.
Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself? Do not be excessively wicked and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time?
It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them. (Ecclesiastes 7:15-18).
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
[quote]JPBear wrote:
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
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Amen. 2 very good post that are so true. Keep em coming guys & gals. Not only does these types of post constently refresh these points in fellow believers minds but also share wisdom to non-christians to help them understand the word of God.
God bless,
Dragon
[quote]Dragon wrote:
JPBear wrote:
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
Amen. 2 very good post that are so true. Keep em coming guys & gals. Not only does these types of post constently refresh these points in fellow believers minds but also share wisdom to non-christians to help them understand the word of God.
God bless,
Dragon[/quote]
Agreed, but I would be careful with this sort of argument.
there are very few people who still believe that the copies we have are inerrent.
They do believe the originals are inerrent though.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
There are some very interesting verses in the bible. I read Deuteronomy for a couple hours one day while Stacey was in a practice recital. It was interesting to see how much anger and death there is. Also, there are many verses about sex, women, men, adultery, divorce, etc. Very interesting.
Of course, that is the old testament, and some of the things that were once written/taught have now been slightly changed in some way (i.e. couldn’t eat certain animals in the old testament, the new testament says it’s okay to eat those animals).
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true, that’s because the Old Testament is the Jewish book of faith, and of course the New Testament is the Christian book. Oftentimes the Old Testament contains a bunch of contradictory jargon that is not at all espoused by Christian teaching, such as the halarious quotes above. Now Jesus, he was a straight shooter.
[quote]haney wrote:
Dragon wrote:
JPBear wrote:
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
Amen. 2 very good post that are so true. Keep em coming guys & gals. Not only does these types of post constently refresh these points in fellow believers minds but also share wisdom to non-christians to help them understand the word of God.
God bless,
Dragon
Agreed, but I would be careful with this sort of argument.
there are very few people who still believe that the copies we have are inerrent.
They do believe the originals are inerrent though.[/quote]
I know, a lot of peolpe question just how much could be mis-interpreted during translation from hebrew or greek to american. Or from KJ to NKJ…or so on. Only god knows that question and all we can do is have faith in that it was written accuralety in hebrew & greek and then transferred to english versus.
heres a neat topic on it:
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=696
stay strong,
Dragon
[quote]Dragon wrote:
haney wrote:
Dragon wrote:
JPBear wrote:
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
Amen. 2 very good post that are so true. Keep em coming guys & gals. Not only does these types of post constently refresh these points in fellow believers minds but also share wisdom to non-christians to help them understand the word of God.
God bless,
Dragon
Agreed, but I would be careful with this sort of argument.
there are very few people who still believe that the copies we have are inerrent.
They do believe the originals are inerrent though.
I know, a lot of peolpe question just how much could be mis-interpreted during translation from hebrew or greek to american. Or from KJ to NKJ…or so on. Only god knows that question and all we can do is have faith in that it was written accuralety in hebrew & greek and then transferred to english versus.
heres a neat topic on it:
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=696
stay strong,
Dragon[/quote]
sounds like my take on things. I just point it out from time to time in case someone is unaware. Saves them the a little confusion when questioned about the faith.
Scriptural inerrancy is actually a minority view within Christianity, present and (especially) past. It’s really only risen to prominence as an idea over the last century or two. I happen to think that it carries with it the danger of devolving into the book-worshipping semi-paganism of those other fellas, but that’s just, like, my opinion.
[quote]JPBear wrote:
bg100 - Awesome post!
The most important thing to remember when reading the Bible is that it is infallible and complete revelation of God to man. It was written by God through men and does not contain mistakes or contradictions.
We must approach scripture with a correct central interpretive motif. That is, all scripture should be interpreted in light of certain central truths. These truths include the sovereignty of God, that all things are intended for God’s glory, and that the path of salvation for man is through grace by faith alone.
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[quote]DTLV wrote:
Scriptural inerrancy is actually a minority view within Christianity, present and (especially) past.
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Of course it is, just as true, born again followers of Christ are a minority within “Christianity”.
yeah, jesus sure was a swell dude:
Instead of bringing mankind a cure for heart diease and cancer, he used his magic to curse a fig tree. Instead of ending birth defects and infant mortality, he filled pigs with demons. Instead of ending world hunger and illteracy, he conjured up a jug of wine. What an incredible waste of omnipotence!
he could walk on water
Not to ignore those fine posts which put shit christianity or anything… but I’ll just answer the original topic…
Isaiah 40:31
I’ve an eagle tattoo to always remind me of this, and in memory of my mother who loved the meaning of this verse.
[quote]JPBear wrote:
DTLV wrote:
Scriptural inerrancy is actually a minority view within Christianity, present and (especially) past.
Of course it is, just as true, born again followers of Christ are a minority within “Christianity”.
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Oh snap!
DTLV is going to hell with all those other apostates who don’t believe the world is 6,000 years old! Might as well rush out and see The Davinci Code before you go.