Father Disciplines His Son For Acting Up In School

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
… beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior.[/quote]

This, this this!!!

We never hit our son, but we were both RELENTLESSLY consistent.

Growing up, my dad often hit me and my sibs with the belt. Of course I didn’t like getting beaten, but it wasn’t the beatings that kept me straight. It was my dad’s disappointment and anger towards me.

However, my younger brother got beaten SO often, yet he STILL was the bad apple in the family. Seems he had no regard for anyone else and lived in a self-serving manner. He dealt with the beatings and my dad’s anger as if it were a temporary obstacle in getting what he wanted ultimately. [/quote]

They are all falling into this causation/correlation error. They think b/c they got beat and that “they turned out okay”, that it means getting beat is fine. Notwithstanding whether or not they truly “turned out okay”, the seem to think that the beatings either helped them, or did not hurt them.

I agree with you 100%. I can see it now before my own eyes. When I (or his mother) is inconsistent, it causes issues. When there is consistency and continuity, I do not experience poor behavior.

If I could sum up good parenting in one sentence, I’d say, love them, show them that love, teach them, and be steady and consistent with expectations and consequences.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
… beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior.[/quote]

This, this this!!!

We never hit our son, but we were both RELENTLESSLY consistent.

Growing up, my dad often hit me and my sibs with the belt. Of course I didn’t like getting beaten, but it wasn’t the beatings that kept me straight. It was my dad’s disappointment and anger towards me.

However, my younger brother got beaten SO often, yet he STILL was the bad apple in the family. Seems he had no regard for anyone else and lived in a self-serving manner. He dealt with the beatings and my dad’s anger as if it were a temporary obstacle in getting what he wanted ultimately. [/quote]

They are all falling into this causation/correlation error. They think b/c they got beat and that “they turned out okay”, that it means getting beat is fine. Notwithstanding whether or not they truly “turned out okay”, the seem to think that the beatings either helped them, or did not hurt them.

I agree with you 100%. I can see it now before my own eyes. When I (or his mother) is inconsistent, it causes issues. When there is consistency and continuity, I do not experience poor behavior.

If I could sum up good parenting in one sentence, I’d say, love them, show them that love, teach them, and be steady and consistent with expectations and consequences.

I got the belt a few times, got head slapped hard enough to see stars once, nothing magor. What kept me in line jives alot with ID, didn’t want to disappoint my parents. Guilt can be a double edged sword though. To this day I never swear around him out of respect.

I knew it was time to move out when my father and I put our fist’s up in an argument. Well truth be told my Mom quietly suggested I move out shortly thereafter lol.

Our son left for colledge lastweek and untill a residency opens up he will be staying with my sister. So my sister phoned me up and says “WTF, did you put the fear of God in this boy?, he’s so well mannered”. My wife and I are terribly proud of how he’s turning out.

Never had to hit him, have I wanted to brain him to knock some sense into him? Fuck yeah lol, many times.

I do think as a father of a son that there has to be a little bit of fear. My boy knows I won’t lay a finger on him but he knows deep down if he takes a swing at me he is gonna get his ass whooped. Remember as a kid saying “my Dad will kill me!” ? I believed it and it stopped me cold from doing some stoopid shit as a kid, not all of it though. I hope I remember how to wrestle because I just can’t see myself actually punching him. The real ass whooping would be when my wife got home if it ever ended up coming to blows.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all. [/quote]

My father is a great man who loves his family but has a horrible temper with very little control over it, especially when I was younger. He never consistently beat or abused me, but there were a few incidents that still stand out in my mind and negatively effected my view of the world.

One incident involved me losing my temper (which I learned from my father) when I was around 14 years old. I was always a wise ass and said something hurtful to my Mom and she was crying in the family room. I didn’t mean what I said, but my Dad attempted to get me to appologize. At the time, I was unloading the dishwasher and he continued on and on until I got frustrated/angry and threw a glass into the dishwasher, shattering pretty much everything all over the kitchen floor.

My Dad proceeds to lose his mind. He flew accross the room, kneed me in the stomach, grabbed and picked me up by my throat choking me and smashed my head against the fridge and screamed at the top of his lungs, “If you ever do anything like that again, I’ll rip your fucking head off.” He then made me pick up all of the glass with bare feet and hands against my Mom’s protests because he “wanted me to bleed”. It was the last part that disturbed me the worst and still does…

I didn’t learn anything from the incident, except that you really can’t trust anyone and that no one is reliable all of the time, even those who are supposed to protect you and keep you safe. I honestly never felt the same way about him after that and it didn’t improve my attitude, it just made me hate him for a few weeks.

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all. [/quote]

My father is a great man who loves his family but has a horrible temper with very little control over it, especially when I was younger. He never consistently beat or abused me, but there were a few incidents that still stand out in my mind and negatively effected my view of the world.

One incident involved me losing my temper (which I learned from my father) when I was around 14 years old. I was always a wise ass and said something hurtful to my Mom and she was crying in the family room. I didn’t mean what I said, but my Dad attempted to get me to appologize. At the time, I was unloading the dishwasher and he continued on and on until I got frustrated/angry and threw a glass into the dishwasher, shattering pretty much everything all over the kitchen floor.

My Dad proceeds to lose his mind. He flew accross the room, kneed me in the stomach, grabbed and picked me up by my throat choking me and smashed my head against the fridge and screamed at the top of his lungs, “If you ever do anything like that again, I’ll rip your fucking head off.” He then made me pick up all of the glass with bare feet and hands against my Mom’s protests because he “wanted me to bleed”. It was the last part that disturbed me the worst and still does…

I didn’t learn anything from the incident, except that you really can’t trust anyone and that no one is reliable all of the time, even those who are supposed to protect you and keep you safe. I honestly never felt the same way about him after that and it didn’t improve my attitude, it just made me hate him for a few weeks.

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I would say its effects are lasting way more than a few weeks.

I personally think a lot of guys in that generation were just flat out abused as kids.

I also think if you can’t control your anger issues, you don’t need to be disciplining kids.

I would say I think many people simply have kids when they are not fully matured themselves…but who knows what can of worms that might open.

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

  1. Larrydavid, whos your avatar?

[/quote]

Sorry for the late response- it’s Jada Stevens.

There is a difference between a spanking and a beating. Some actions rise to the level of a spanking. If you find yourself spanking frequently, you’re doing it wrong. If you’re still spanking your children after they enter Junior High, you are in for trouble.

UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

Link?

Protip edited - DO NOT ABUSE YOUR CHILDREN.

get a switch boy! - yes… heard that one more than I can count

best get a switch story

Daddy out of the picture - Mom doin her best, thank God above she decided to smack down with me or who knows how rotten I could have gotten, anyway…

we were on our way to a friend house for a cookout,

mom - “Go get a switch”
me - “why”
mom- “just in case”
me- “fine” I’ll get biggest King-ass Switch you ever seen I thought to myself, I aint afraid

Sho 'nuff - the switch was needed- I took the daughter of our friends on a cross town mission for a couple hour (we were like 8 & 6 years old, why would our folks mind if we wandered aimlessly through town without anyone knowing were going???)

we finally got back to the peoples house - (I almost turned & ran when I saw the look on Momma’s face… but I froze

The switch came out, & it didn’t stop movin for a while… I tried dodgin the first crack & it caught across my back - old school welt from shoulder to ass was the result - after the fact I tried laying a guilt trip - "look what you did to my back!!!)

Mom - “maybe next time you’ll be still”

Thanks Mom

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

Link?

Protip edited - DO NOT ABUSE YOUR CHILDREN. [/quote]

The only site I’ve seen with any info on it is Mediatakeout and we both know that’s mainly a gossip trash site. Here’s the link if you still want to see it for yourself.

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/51536/mto-world-exclusive-remember-that-father-who-disciplined-his-son-by-cutting-his-hair-well-they-arrested-him-for-child-abuse.html

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

It was dumb to tape this and post in publicly…especially if he did it himself. It shows he has no concept of there being an entire world out there that may not agree with him.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

It was dumb to tape this and post in publicly…especially if he did it himself. It shows he has no concept of there being an entire world out there that may not agree with him.[/quote]

wrong.

the LAW did not agree with him. BIG difference.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

It was dumb to tape this and post in publicly…especially if he did it himself. It shows he has no concept of there being an entire world out there that may not agree with him.[/quote]

wrong.

the LAW did not agree with him. BIG difference.
[/quote]

Not really…unless you also think every parent who whipped their child with any force in the 70’s and 80’s should be thrown in jail.

The bottom line is, reprimanding your kids used to be your own business. Now, anyone who has a problem with you so much as raising your voice at your kids can call CPS on you.

I am not getting into what is “abuse” and what isn’t.

I am talking about the simple fact that generations were raised with physical discipline that would possibly be frowned upon it if happened in the middle of Walmart.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
UPDATE-

    Seems like the father was arrested recently and is being charged with child abuse. Supposedly he's looking at 10 years if he's convicted.

Protip - Don’t put your personal business on the internet.[/quote]

It was dumb to tape this and post in publicly…especially if he did it himself. It shows he has no concept of there being an entire world out there that may not agree with him.[/quote]

wrong.

the LAW did not agree with him. BIG difference.
[/quote]

Not really…unless you also think every parent who whipped their child with any force in the 70’s and 80’s should be thrown in jail.

The bottom line is, reprimanding your kids used to be your own business. Now, anyone who has a problem with you so much as raising your voice at your kids can call CPS on you.

I am not getting into what is “abuse” and what isn’t.

I am talking about the simple fact that generations were raised with physical discipline that would possibly be frowned upon it if happened in the middle of Walmart.[/quote]

fair enough. and you’re talking to someone that had cps called on me b/c I had the audacity to reprimand my son in a diner (in the lobby) with a stern lecture and quick swat across his behind while he was acting a fool - and heaven forbid, he was crying! (report “unfounded”, as if I’d have to confirm that but the shit aint pleasant to have your parenting called into question like that while real abuse occurs every day).

I do think we can agree that the sum total of this particular episode went beyond “physical discipline” can’t we?

let’s just stop pretending that using simple corporal punishment is all that’s occurring in these recent vids. there is more there, and to deny it is to deny the obvious.

Parents should hit their kids more. A flip-flop in the ass every now and then should be mandatory for little asshole kids running around causing havoc.

Westerners in general are too soft nowadays. Well, mostly only white people.

UPDATE #2

The truth comes out.

While the boy initially claimed that marks and scars on his legs were caused by a bicycle accident, he later “disclosed that Devery ‘whips’ him ‘all the time.’” The child told cops that “Devery made him tell the story about the bicycle because ‘he don’t wanna go to jail.’”

Marks and scars on his legs?

No, no child abuse here.

[quote]Christine wrote:
While the boy initially claimed that marks and scars on his legs were caused by a bicycle accident, he later “disclosed that Devery ‘whips’ him ‘all the time.’” The child told cops that “Devery made him tell the story about the bicycle because ‘he don’t wanna go to jail.’”

Marks and scars on his legs?

No, no child abuse here.

[/quote]

hopefully Devery will end up with some “marks” and scars of his own after this is all said and done.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
While the boy initially claimed that marks and scars on his legs were caused by a bicycle accident, he later “disclosed that Devery ‘whips’ him ‘all the time.’” The child told cops that “Devery made him tell the story about the bicycle because ‘he don’t wanna go to jail.’”

Marks and scars on his legs?

No, no child abuse here.

[/quote]

hopefully Devery will end up with some “marks” and scars of his own after this is all said and done. [/quote]
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