Father Disciplines His Son For Acting Up In School

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
I’d like to join the Black Justice League.

I mean, you guys need a couple of token not-black guys. [/quote]

Hmmmm, he does have a point.

I mean, Black lightening didn’t SHOOT “black” lightening. He was also brown.

OK…The Black Justice League is having try outs for:

“The Great White Hope”

“White Noise”

and

“White Knight”

Please apply within…but give us 15 extra minutes to get there.[/quote]

I’d like to apply for “White Chocolate”. Black girls in college used to tell me I was “built like a black man”. Bitchez luv mah round booteh.

Thank you for the opportunity. <sets watch back 15 min>

i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all. [/quote]

The reality is, some parents are not there through it all. They work 2 or 3 jobs and the junior high student is a latch key kid most of his life. When someone whose guidance has gone off the rails due to financial, cultural, or physical (in terms of abuse) issues, you don’t always get a child who will respond to a time out.

I agree with much of what you wrote. I think all out beating a child is criminal. I won’t, however, stand up and claim that no kid needs a spanking. There are loads of families out there where damage has already been done and it won’t be always fixed with “no tv tonight”.

I would also hope much physical discipline would not be needed in the “Ideal Home”.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all. [/quote]

great post sir.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i was whipped as a child and all i learned was to not get caught when doing something wrong and that when i was big enough and strong enough i would put an end to it. the first person i ever knocked out was my father. i was 13 years old and he broke out the belt and started in on me and i finished it by knocking him out cold. luckily this was a turning point in our relationship and he soon learned that physical abuse only made me mean and full of rage. we now have more of a brotherly relationship.

I’m now a parent and have been an elementary school teacher for 12 years. I work in a school with a large population of low income and single family children. I’ve known many children that are beaten by their parents. I’m always amazed when i talk to a parent about a child’s behavior and they tell me “don’t worry… they will get a good ass whipp’n when they get home” It’s like they are bragging about their beating of some little kid. I often tell them that I’m not impressed. I can say from my experience that beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior. As a teacher obviously i’ve never layed my hands on a student but often i get comments from parents that their kids listen to me but they won’t listen to them. the reason… I’m consistent. The kids respect me and they know they are safe with me. There’s also mutual respect.

As it pertains to my daughter. i knew the moment she was born that i would NEVER lay my hands on her other than to show her love and affection. Raising a child requires one to actually be involved in your child’s life. You have to be there every moment to lead them, protect them and love them. It’s all about love and being there through it all. [/quote]

The reality is, some parents are not there through it all. They work 2 or 3 jobs and the junior high student is a latch key kid most of his life. When someone whose guidance has gone off the rails due to financial, cultural, or physical (in terms of abuse) issues, you don’t always get a child who will respond to a time out.

I agree with much of what you wrote. I think all out beating a child is criminal. I won’t, however, stand up and claim that no kid needs a spanking. There are loads of families out there where damage has already been done and it won’t be always fixed with “no tv tonight”.

I would also hope much physical discipline would not be needed in the “Ideal Home”.[/quote]

I often wondered if when i became a father if I too would spank my kid. I can honestly tell you that when i looked into her eyes for the first time i knew that i would never infict pain on her. i feel like the world is full of enough pain and misery. I’m sure the world will show my daughter enough pain. I want her to know that I’m safe and she will never have to worry about that crap from me.

I know that raising a kid can be done without getting physical with them. i’ve done it with my own and i’ve done it with thousands of others through my teaching career.

I see what you are getting at with the broken families and neglected children. I’ve had thousands of them over the years. My response to you would be that they need love and compassion even more. Now don’t get me wrong, I’ve been compared to a drill sergeant on many an occasion. I’m all for discipline. The difference is that I dont’ see the need to get violent. Violence only teaches violence. I know, I’m a product of it. It would come very natural for me considering my background. There’s nothing about being whipped as a child that made me a better person or more respectful.

…and this is where we disagree. I don’t think one man here would deny that sometimes, it takes getting knocked upside the head to drastically change an action in someone’s life. You can use that metaphorically or physically. The guy talking shit to everyone probably will do less of it the moment someone flips out on him.

That is just basic human psychology and while I can definitely understand the desire to avoid that with your own kids (as I don’t plan to raise kids I have the exact same way I was raised), the REALITY is some kids will not respond to “love and compassion” in a way that gives a positive outcome if there is no physical force behind that same “love and compassion”.

Don’t get me wrong…sometimes, simply looking like you will kill them may be able to work if you have that kind of intimidation factor…but to deny that any kid on the planet could NEED a spanking as opposed to “time out” is to avoid dealing with a lot of fucked up people in the world who are not all well adjusted.

One more scenario…you know what stopped me from running in the kitchen when my mom was cooking? Getting burned by the stove. To this day I am careful around that area. That wasn’t a spanking from mom…but maybe moreso one from life…and the outcome is the same.

I’m not joking when I say that I think spanking is best when the child is small…by the time they get to age 4 they need to be reasoned with or scolded and made to feel shame for their poor acts and decisions.
And be sure that you’re not spanking when angry…try to be composed about it.

[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m not joking when I say that I think spanking is best when the child is small…by the time they get to age 4 they need to be reasoned with or scolded and made to feel shame for their poor acts and decisions.
And be sure that you’re not spanking when angry…try to be composed about it.[/quote]

I can agree…but 4 is still really small. I would expand that up to 7 or 8, But if you are still hitting your kids when they are in the 8th grade, something went wrong a long time ago

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more scenario…you know what stopped me from running in the kitchen when my mom was cooking? Getting burned by the stove. To this day I am careful around that area. That wasn’t a spanking from mom…but maybe moreso one from life…and the outcome is the same.[/quote]

I respect your opinion but it’s just not how i’m wired with children. My life revolves around children and i’ve seen things that would make you question whether or not there is a god in heaven. I’ve found many more effective ways of dealing with kids than phyisical punishment. time outs are only one tool.

Even when I see a restaurant kitchen in a TV show I think “What if the floor’s greasy around there?!?!” and that the character had better be careful.

That reminds me of a terrifying PSA from Canada…wait a minute and I’ll find it.

Here it is…now BEWARE! It is graphic!

[quote]Nards wrote:
Here it is…now BEWARE! It is graphic!

when i was in college i worked as a grill cook. we had two friers. the fry grease was kept in these huge vats with handles on either side. we were supposed to lift them with two people. the guy that ran the fry side had filled one frier and it was up to temperature. instead of getting a second person to help him fill the second, he attempted to lift it up and pour in the grease. he got it up and it was sitting on the edge. he went to tilt it forward and put his hand on the ledge beside the full frier. as he went to pour the grease in the frier his hand slipped all the way to the shoulder into the fille frier. he immidiately pulled his arm out leaving all of the skin down to muscle in the frier.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more scenario…you know what stopped me from running in the kitchen when my mom was cooking? Getting burned by the stove. To this day I am careful around that area. That wasn’t a spanking from mom…but maybe moreso one from life…and the outcome is the same.[/quote]

Humans (parents) aren’t as consistent as fire.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
Here it is…now BEWARE! It is graphic!

when i was in college i worked as a grill cook. we had two friers. the fry grease was kept in these huge vats with handles on either side. we were supposed to lift them with two people. the guy that ran the fry side had filled one frier and it was up to temperature. instead of getting a second person to help him fill the second, he attempted to lift it up and pour in the grease. he got it up and it was sitting on the edge. he went to tilt it forward and put his hand on the ledge beside the full frier. as he went to pour the grease in the frier his hand slipped all the way to the shoulder into the fille frier. he immidiately pulled his arm out leaving all of the skin down to muscle in the frier. [/quote]

Oh my God I CAN’T know that!

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

when i was in college i worked as a grill cook. we had two friers. the fry grease was kept in these huge vats with handles on either side. we were supposed to lift them with two people. the guy that ran the fry side had filled one frier and it was up to temperature. instead of getting a second person to help him fill the second, he attempted to lift it up and pour in the grease. he got it up and it was sitting on the edge. he went to tilt it forward and put his hand on the ledge beside the full frier. as he went to pour the grease in the frier his hand slipped all the way to the shoulder into the fille frier. he immidiately pulled his arm out leaving all of the skin down to muscle in the frier. [/quote]

Yikes!

What happened to him after? Did they have to do a bunch of skin grafts?

I’m going to have nightmares now.

Thanks Nard and MM.

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Am I the only one who used to get caned at school for misbehaving and not doing homework?

I dunno, it was a great motivator for most of the kids.[/quote]

I got whippings…and I wasn’t even a bad kid. It was the way my parents were raised. I will clearly physically discipline my children differently, but to deny that a spanking is ever needed is just retarded.

I will also say I see many kids lately whose parents seem to avoid any and all serious discipline. This is not creating great human beings. It is creating very selfish ones who think they can affront any and all authority.[/quote]

Exactly.

Looks at the general population of kids here in the UK. They have little to no respect for anyone, and if you so much as look as your kid in a mean way, someone will stick their nose into it.

I’ve been spanked 2 maybe 3 times by my dad as a kid. I’m sure he was raised the same way and I know from experience that many kids who grew up this way in SA, “learn their place”, so to speak. I think all the generations of kids who were raised in the late 90s and on are no where near as disciplined, in general.

In South Africa, Afrikaans people are notorious for being hard on their kids, but it’s what turns boys into men in the long run.[/quote]

This!

But there is a big difference between beating the snot out of a child and making a man.

From where I’m sitting at the moment I think it has a lot to do with the motivations behind the beating. The guy in the vid seemed to be motivated by ego and a sense of out of control, under developed emotional intelligence. He was not trying to be hard on the boy so much as completely dominate every aspect of that boys life.

The kid will grow up to be a terrified wimp or another violent nut job because this sort of thing (the way it happened in the clip) will skew a kids views on many many aspects of his future life.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Am I the only one who used to get caned at school for misbehaving and not doing homework?

I dunno, it was a great motivator for most of the kids.[/quote]

I got whippings…and I wasn’t even a bad kid. It was the way my parents were raised. I will clearly physically discipline my children differently, but to deny that a spanking is ever needed is just retarded.

I will also say I see many kids lately whose parents seem to avoid any and all serious discipline. This is not creating great human beings. It is creating very selfish ones who think they can affront any and all authority.[/quote]

You can be sued for slapping your kid (slapping, not beating up!), but I doubt that’s the reason of why people avoid discipline.

I read that this Little Emperor thing comes from parents spending less time with children and thus, feeling guilty about it so they have troubles saying “no” and all that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One more scenario…you know what stopped me from running in the kitchen when my mom was cooking? Getting burned by the stove. To this day I am careful around that area. That wasn’t a spanking from mom…but maybe moreso one from life…and the outcome is the same.[/quote]

My mother always warned me to not open the fridge or use any electrical thing with my hands wet. She told me often. Did I listen? Yes. Did I care? It seems not. One day I got a cramp from the fridge and today, around 22-23 years later I quickly tap any fridge before opening it.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
… beating a kid NEVER improves behavior. Consistency improves behavior.[/quote]

This, this this!!!

We never hit our son, but we were both RELENTLESSLY consistent.

Growing up, my dad often hit me and my sibs with the belt. Of course I didn’t like getting beaten, but it wasn’t the beatings that kept me straight. It was my dad’s disappointment and anger towards me.

However, my younger brother got beaten SO often, yet he STILL was the bad apple in the family. Seems he had no regard for anyone else and lived in a self-serving manner. He dealt with the beatings and my dad’s anger as if it were a temporary obstacle in getting what he wanted ultimately.