Fatass or Genius?

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]wfifer wrote:
To me, this woman was essentially saying that you either eat whatever you want or you have an eating disorder. Aside from the title, there was no mention of moderation. She talked about being a role-model and yet stuffed her face with baked goods. Ignorance is one thing, but a columnist extolling the virtues of pleasure-eating must have, as the OP so eloquently states, “a gene of retarded.”[/quote]

That’s more or less what I got out of the article as well.

People are just fucking retarded, blind (inentionally) and [blissfully] ignorant. It’s their way of coping with life as undisciplined, lazy individuals. If they admitted their lifestyles were unhealthy, it would be an admission of weakness.

So it’s easier to pretend what they are doing is healthy, and in their best interest. And anybody opposing or threatening that perception must be crazy, obssessed, narcissistic, shallow, stupid, etc etc.

Oh the tragedy. At least it makes all of us look that much more sexy. [/quote]

Didn’t you get the memo? Muscles are icky now.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m sorry but I need help with what exactly was wrong. I’m not being saracastic, I saw an article about a woman who was overweight after having a baby and one of her daughters truning vegan.
Not a smart thing, but I think I missed something.[/quote]

It has already been said, but not directly to you.

[Side note: I found this article on the front page of MSN.com about 5 o’clock (around the time most people get back from work, and happens to be that most people that do not have a date for Friday get on to the computer. And since, MSN is default for every Microsoft computers.]

Anyway what is wrong with this article is basically a woman with no nutrition education (formal or self learned) is giving advice to millions of people that might read this (mostly women) about how to eat around their children. As if eating an omelet with sausage, peppers, and other vegetables, and 5-7 oz of meat and vegetables for dinner, with a nutritious supper and nuts and fruit as snacks between meals is going to create a eating disorder for her daughters. Instead she teachers her daughter a real eating disorder (over eating crap). She thinks that if she just exercises everything will be better, even if she eats whatever she wants.

All this because her best friend when she was a kid had an eating disorder because her mom was on a different diet from month to month.

I personally could have been diagnosed with about every eating disorder I know of if a doctor would have monitored how I hate during different sports, from Anorexia, Bulimia, and Binge eating to just over eating all the time. However, it didn’t involve my body image. This lady is a little extreme in thinking that her daughter is going to have an eating disorder if she eats right.

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I have the same thoughts as diana. Note however that we are both Canadian and to my understanding nutrition, obesity rates and such are a bit less of a problem here so maybe this is where we’re coming from.

I know a lot of women who do not lift weights and do a lot of cardio. Most women I know are like this. But they are lean, fit and healthy. They just don’t have a lot of muscle mass and when they have periods of no cardio, they put weight on quickly until they go back to the cardio. It’s not a terrible thing, just different. I work in a building with hundreds of people and there are only a handful of women that are overweight, and only two that I know of that I would call obese. There are many more fat men from what I can see. In general they don’t have a great understanding of nutrition but still they do alright in the end.

On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else. I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I have the same thoughts as diana. Note however that we are both Canadian and to my understanding nutrition, obesity rates and such are a bit less of a problem here so maybe this is where we’re coming from.

I know a lot of women who do not lift weights and do a lot of cardio. Most women I know are like this. But they are lean, fit and healthy. They just don’t have a lot of muscle mass and when they have periods of no cardio, they put weight on quickly until they go back to the cardio. It’s not a terrible thing, just different. I work in a building with hundreds of people and there are only a handful of women that are overweight, and only two that I know of that I would call obese. There are many more fat men from what I can see. In general they don’t have a great understanding of nutrition but still they do alright in the end.

On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else. I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.
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…well, that and clothing today seems to show off their mid sections more and since the “muffin top” is now actually tolerated, women who would have covered that shit up 10 years ago are now walking around with their guts out.

We do have a problem in this country with the overall perception of food. Like I wrote before, they can eat at Popeye’s chicken and not think anything of it. However, if they see me with a steak, suddenly all alarms go off. That type of behavior is illogical at best. We have allowed all of society to label anyone who is serious about physique development as being “wrong” or “dangerous” or a criminal.

If I were some obese guy who never lifted a weight, I would never hear a word from these women. I could eat hamburgers and fried chicken all day and as long as I made some remark about how fat I’m getting (as if it is out of my control), they would feel more comfortable.

In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Word.
I can rarely drink a protein shake without getting either an “all that protein is bad for you”, “yeah bro I used to be on protein too, but then it fucked up my [insert random organ]”, last night; “doesn’t protein make you fat” (I shit you not) or something of the sort.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Word.
I can rarely drink a protein shake without getting either an “all that protein is bad for you”, “yeah bro I used to be on protein too, but then it fucked up my [insert random organ]”, last night; “doesn’t protein make you fat” (I shit you not) or something of the sort. [/quote]

Misery loves company.

On an unrelated note, I wish I could eat a pound of steak in one sitting like it was nothing. Doing that puts me in a food coma.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Quoted for truth. I would almost be willing to bet this this has happened to every single person who has posted in this thread.

I’m curious about Deb’s point about young girls seeming to carry fat around their midsection, and no where else. X mentioend that it might have more to do with ‘fashion’, and the muffin top being perfectably acceptable, even normal among young girls. This seems absolutely crazy to me, but is undoubtedly true, as it seems that every young girl finds herself the smallest jeans possible. Muffin tops as far as the eye can see.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Word.
I can rarely drink a protein shake without getting either an “all that protein is bad for you”, “yeah bro I used to be on protein too, but then it fucked up my [insert random organ]”, last night; “doesn’t protein make you fat” (I shit you not) or something of the sort. [/quote]

I love hearing that protein is going to make me fat. I also love hearing that as soon as I stop drinking protein shakes, I’ll lose all my muscle mass.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else. I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.
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I’ve also noticed this, and I’m glad it’s not just me. And I’m not so sure if it’s fashion either, these are thin girls with midsections that are pretty soft compared to the rest of their bodies.

I remember in another thread that was about hormones and how men have less test etc., where people were posting that the good thing was that girls were now storing more fat in their tits and ass than before. I had no idea what they were talking about, and just figured I was just in a bad area.

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Shit, I feel bad for X. If he were to give those people the response they deserved, I don’t want to imagine what they would chalk that up to or assume…

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[quote]ThirdUncle wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I honestly think the fact that my diet is controlled during the day makes them feel bad…so they lash out at it. They don’t feel as comfortable eating that chicken leg around me because my diet stays the same.[/quote]

That there is a HUGE bingo. I can’t tell you how many people bitch about my food because it makes them feel bad about the shit they are eating.[/quote]

Quoted for truth. I would almost be willing to bet this this has happened to every single person who has posted in this thread.

I’m curious about Deb’s point about young girls seeming to carry fat around their midsection, and no where else. X mentioend that it might have more to do with ‘fashion’, and the muffin top being perfectably acceptable, even normal among young girls. This seems absolutely crazy to me, but is undoubtedly true, as it seems that every young girl finds herself the smallest jeans possible. Muffin tops as far as the eye can see.[/quote]

There is no doubt about the fashions and showing rolls being acceptable when it would have been horrifying at one time to bare a gut like that but I also recall myself and my friends of varying leanness laying down on the bed and using a coathanger to pull up the zipper on the jeans that were that tight and that many sizes too small. Mind you the waist was ridiculously high on those jeans :stuck_out_tongue:

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I just remembered this article from cbc from just over a week ago and I looked it up again because it had some stats:

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/01/13/fitness-canadians.html

It shows the ‘Portrait of typical 12-year-old girl in 1981 and 2007-2009’

It shows the waist size went up by 5.6 cm where the hips only went up by 4.8 cm. Those are pretty close but I would have expected the hips to grow more than the waist.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I have the same thoughts as diana. Note however that we are both Canadian and to my understanding nutrition, obesity rates and such are a bit less of a problem here so maybe this is where we’re coming from.

I know a lot of women who do not lift weights and do a lot of cardio. Most women I know are like this. But they are lean, fit and healthy. They just don’t have a lot of muscle mass and when they have periods of no cardio, they put weight on quickly until they go back to the cardio. It’s not a terrible thing, just different. I work in a building with hundreds of people and there are only a handful of women that are overweight, and only two that I know of that I would call obese. There are many more fat men from what I can see. In general they don’t have a great understanding of nutrition but still they do alright in the end.

On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else. I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.
[/quote]

It’s funny that you mention your workplace. I was thinking the exact same thing the other day while I was nuking my lunch. I also work in a building with several hundred people, and I cannot say I’ve seen even one who I would call obese. There are only a handful of noticeably overweight people that I’ve run into there. I can remember walking in downtown Boston a few years back and seeing more than a dozen obese people within a block or 2, it was shocking to me.

I think the muffin top thing has a lot to do with limited activity. When I was in high school, we had gym class 3 out of 4 quarters, 4 days a week. My kid gets gym class once every 9 days. My parents never worried if I was getting enough physical activity because I was skating, skiing and running around outside all the time, where as most kids now are on video games and computers after school.

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[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I have the same thoughts as diana. Note however that we are both Canadian and to my understanding nutrition, obesity rates and such are a bit less of a problem here so maybe this is where we’re coming from.

I know a lot of women who do not lift weights and do a lot of cardio. Most women I know are like this. But they are lean, fit and healthy. They just don’t have a lot of muscle mass and when they have periods of no cardio, they put weight on quickly until they go back to the cardio. It’s not a terrible thing, just different. I work in a building with hundreds of people and there are only a handful of women that are overweight, and only two that I know of that I would call obese. There are many more fat men from what I can see. In general they don’t have a great understanding of nutrition but still they do alright in the end.

On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else. I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.
[/quote]

It’s funny that you mention your workplace. I was thinking the exact same thing the other day while I was nuking my lunch. I also work in a building with several hundred people, and I cannot say I’ve seen even one who I would call obese. There are only a handful of noticeably overweight people that I’ve run into there. I can remember walking in downtown Boston a few years back and seeing more than a dozen obese people within a block or 2, it was shocking to me.

I think the muffin top thing has a lot to do with limited activity. When I was in high school, we had gym class 3 out of 4 quarters, 4 days a week. My kid gets gym class once every 9 days. My parents never worried if I was getting enough physical activity because I was skating, skiing and running around outside all the time, where as most kids now are on video games and computers after school. [/quote]

We also had the Canada fitness program and I’ll never understand why it was dropped.

For Americans, we had to do this every year as part of phys. ed. For Canadians who want to go down memory lane here’s the program:

http://titanous.com/cadets/fitness_test.pdf

Edit: this version doesn’t have the flexed arm hang though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m sorry but I need help with what exactly was wrong. I’m not being saracastic, I saw an article about a woman who was overweight after having a baby and one of her daughters truning vegan.
Not a smart thing, but I think I missed something.[/quote]

I don’t get it either. Granted a vegan diet is not the smartest thing for anyone, but it’s a whole lot better than a diet of fast food. Of course some education regarding food choices would have been optimal for all involved, but that is not the point of the story.

I have a 15 year old daughter and I understand where the mother is coming from regarding “diets”. The last thing you want your daughter to see is for you as a mother doing some crazy yo-yo scheme every month. The strongest influence on a child is the same sex parent and as much as they might want to be different from you, they WILL follow your lead when it comes to lifestyle choices like food and exercise. The example the women set by running daily and at least trying to provide healthy food for her daughters is way better than what many parents do.

At my house we eat meat and I make sure the fridge is full of good stuff, like milk, eggs, veggies and fruits. Lunches are not some crappy deli meat sandwiches and fruit roll-ups or snack sized pudding containers. My girl just started olympic lifting with me and she loves it. These are the examples that I set for her because it works for me. The woman in the story, even though it’s not the most optimal plan, is at the very least trying to set a good example for her kids in a way that works for her.[/quote]

…and that isn’t what we are knocking. That lifestyle may actually fit for some people…but I don’t really understand why “dieting” is seen in a light where some think it means you do some crazy eating scheme for 3 weeks until you get magically skinny. It seems she has narrowed her options down to “go on fad diet” or “become vegan” as her only choices for not being a sedentary fat ass.

And I think we all know the outcome…tons of women reading that little article and even more people suddenly eating nothing but vegetables.

I see patients everyday with diabetes. These people are MORBIDLY obese yet many of them claim diets that are vegetarian since they were diagnosed with it. They are still fat even after being vegan for years mostly because “vegan” somehow turns into “eat nothing but carbs and avoid the harmful MEAT”.[/quote]

Ahh this reminds me of my cousin, who happens to be female. I’d estimate her at 200 lbs at around 5’8’'. She acheived that incredible physique after become a vegan a few years ago. French fries, buttered rolls, pasta, and any kind of junk food (as long as it’s meat-free) are all staples of her vegan “lifestyle”.

I make sure that on Thanksgiving I over-emphasize how delicious that giant turkey leg is as I rip the meat from the bone.

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[quote]jo3 wrote:

On an unrelated note, I wish I could eat a pound of steak in one sitting like it was nothing. Doing that puts me in a food coma.[/quote]

Weak man, weak. Try drinking a dozen eggs every day…THAT gets comments. Lol.

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[quote]From the article:

My two young daughters imitated my every move, good or bad, and dieting was not a habit I wanted them to pick up.

[/quote]

WTF!?! Is this lady mad? A gene of retarded is right Brother Chris! Geeze! So she would rather her kids eat shit for their food than go on a diet? What a twat!

Not only that but as everyone can see this wacko has no sense of the the ‘diet’ either as a word in the English language or as a concept studied and used by …well EVERYONE including herself (her diet is just to eat all the chocolaty sweets she can get her grubby paws on and say she will walk it off).

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I have the same thoughts as diana. Note however that we are both Canadian and to my understanding nutrition, obesity rates and such are a bit less of a problem here so maybe this is where we’re coming from.

I know a lot of women who do not lift weights and do a lot of cardio. Most women I know are like this. But they are lean, fit and healthy. They just don’t have a lot of muscle mass and when they have periods of no cardio, they put weight on quickly until they go back to the cardio. It’s not a terrible thing, just different.

I work in a building with hundreds of people and there are only a handful of women that are overweight, and only two that I know of that I would call obese. There are many more fat men from what I can see. In general they don’t have a great understanding of nutrition but still they do alright in the end.

On the other hand I have noticed that there is an awful lot of teenage girls who don’t look overweight by any definition but are seeming to carry a lot of fat in their mid section, but skinny everywhere else.

I have wondered if this is because of dietary trends because I don’t recall seeing anyone shaped like this when I was a teenager. Having extra fat for a girl has always meant a big ass and thighs. But obviously my personal observation is not scientific so take that for what it’s worth.
[/quote]

It’s funny that you mention your workplace. I was thinking the exact same thing the other day while I was nuking my lunch. I also work in a building with several hundred people, and I cannot say I’ve seen even one who I would call obese.

There are only a handful of noticeably overweight people that I’ve run into there. I can remember walking in downtown Boston a few years back and seeing more than a dozen obese people within a block or 2, it was shocking to me.

I think the muffin top thing has a lot to do with limited activity. When I was in high school, we had gym class 3 out of 4 quarters, 4 days a week. My kid gets gym class once every 9 days. My parents never worried if I was getting enough physical activity because I was skating, skiing and running around outside all the time, where as most kids now are on video games and computers after school. [/quote]

We also had the Canada fitness program and I’ll never understand why it was dropped.

For Americans, we had to do this every year as part of phys. ed. For Canadians who want to go down memory lane here’s the program:

http://titanous.com/cadets/fitness_test.pdf

Edit: this version doesn’t have the flexed arm hang though. [/quote]

I think I might be a little young to have ever done that one. Seems fun, though.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]jo3 wrote:

On an unrelated note, I wish I could eat a pound of steak in one sitting like it was nothing. Doing that puts me in a food coma.[/quote]

Weak man, weak. Try drinking a dozen eggs every day…THAT gets comments. Lol.[/quote]

I got called into the principal’s office in high school cause I ate a raw egg at lunch. Apparently its a crime. What he said to me basically gave me nightmares about eating raw eggs. I thought I was going to like start bleeding from my pores, you know, cause eggs have like that salmonella shit.

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