you have no muscle. add muscle and your metabolism will increase. And you are much more than 10lbs away from seeing abs. Attempting to drop to 170 at this point will not leave you satisfied and will not work out well from an aesthetic perspective. You need to build muscle.
What are you lifts currently? What were they before the fat loss stalled? What were they around 6 months prior to that?
My lifts as of now- BP- 5x 275 / -Squat-5x 345-/ DL 5 x 405
b4 dieting i started at 235lbs (middle of last year) BP 3x315/ Squ 5x 405 / DL 5 x485
I did a mass gain right b4 i started with shelbly to try and gain some strength and size b4 the diet. gained alot of strength along with an unwanted amount of fat. (I have learned alot since then about how I should go about an offseason diet and results i should expect)
Towards the beg of dec of last year I was at my lowest, hormones tanked strength gone struggling with 315 for 5 to 8 on the squat -squat and DL dropped dramatically- was doing 90 mins of cardio spread throughout the day, took time off from middle of Nov till around jan 1st to try and let the thy and trt take effect- the consensus seems to be to focus on muscle building for right now…and I would like nothing more than to focus on that but i do not want to look sloppy while doing it as I have in previous mass trys…
keeping this in mind I am considering several drugs that may help me in this such as Ghrp-6 and metformin (I am beleive I am extremely insulin insensitive) how long do you think this needs to be the case??? am I on the right track? do i have a choice in this?
BTW thanx for replies
Here is a pic b4 dieting…now that i look at it there is few change other than I am smaller now…few definition…make me think I wasted all that time working so hard, I even was conscious of how many peices of sugar free gum I was chewing LOL
You look 1000x better.
Ty BB I appreciate it
[quote]Chaos6060 wrote:
My lifts as of now- BP- 5x 275 / -Squat-5x 345-/ DL 5 x 405
b4 dieting i started at 235lbs (middle of last year) BP 3x315/ Squ 5x 405 / DL 5 x485
I did a mass gain right b4 i started with shelbly to try and gain some strength and size b4 the diet. gained alot of strength along with an unwanted amount of fat. (I have learned alot since then about how I should go about an offseason diet and results i should expect)
Towards the beg of dec of last year I was at my lowest, hormones tanked strength gone struggling with 315 for 5 to 8 on the squat -squat and DL dropped dramatically- was doing 90 mins of cardio spread throughout the day, took time off from middle of Nov till around jan 1st to try and let the thy and trt take effect- the consensus seems to be to focus on muscle building for right now…and I would like nothing more than to focus on that but i do not want to look sloppy while doing it as I have in previous mass trys…
keeping this in mind I am considering several drugs that may help me in this such as Ghrp-6 and metformin (I am beleive I am extremely insulin insensitive) how long do you think this needs to be the case??? am I on the right track? do i have a choice in this?
BTW thanx for replies[/quote]
I will say straight out that you do not need to look into any drug regime at this time. You seem to be focused on the glass half empty and not looking at what you have accomplished. That isn’t to say you shouldn’t be looking at where you are going from here, but I think you are falling into that mindset where you see a certain physique as the End of the road. I think anyone of the folks on here with physiques to admire will tell you that the End never comes.
And you have said you don’t want to get sloppy while bulking up. Well, good, you know what you did before didn’t work. You must have learned a lot about your body from dieting down, so put it to use. Or, just try one of the many different approaches you can read on here. Or hire a professional that can guide you, plenty of them will do this long distance. But again, no need to get into drugs designed for diabetics…
Yep, good progress. There’s definitely some loose skin in your current pics. How much, or how much it matters, I couldn’t tell you. There’s definitely still fat too.
Has your TRT included, you know, testosterone? How long have you been on it?
Well I started TRT around Dec 15th. I just got a blood test yesterday results on monday. I think it is working necause my mood/sense of well being/outlook on life/sex drive has greatly improved.
Reread Bonez post. You seem to have lost alot of LBM
Ok, I think I have found the problem…I got my lab results back and the trt with hcg and dessi thy has done nothing in the way of increasing my test or tsh. Test is still 189L (500L-1000L) and tsh is 1.9…I believed that the trt was working because of the better mood but me n the doc think that that was because the hcg was compounded with b12.
Starting t gel in a couple days and 600 mcgs of hcg with it. Doing this much cardio and eating this strict is futile until I can regulate my test and thy. I think ill follow ur guys advice sticking to maintanence or a lil above for a couple weeks until the gel kicks in. Thnx for the input.
just lift heavy and eat clean for a few months. Bonez is right, you need to build, then cut again.
how many shakes do you drink a day? Are u getting all your protein from meat,fish,eggs and cottage cheese? I would stick to 100% whole food diet until the fat comes off. Metobolically meat,eggs and cottage cheese are much harder to digest and will result in more fat loss.
Also adding a couple of beef meals a day will help too (just keep them really lean) I persoanlly would eliminate all shakes and eat 100% whole food. This will boost your b12 levels give you more energy and help with fat loss. I persoanlly if I switch to 100% whole foods I lose bodyfat very rapidly and I can eat as much eggs, chicken, beef, whole lean proteins as I want and not get fat from them.
I drink one pre and post on lift days (4x per week)-- on non lift the 40g protien is replaced with the equal amount of protien in egg whites (protien/no fats/no carbs). I still beleive my low hormone levels are at the heart of this and they are the main cause of this slowed progress. Hopefully when the test increases in a couple weeks results will begin to show.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
You are taking the wrong pharmaceuticals, since you are in to that scene.[/quote]
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Wrong parms to boost test and thyroid, or wrong pharms to lose fat?
My trt is now 150mg compounded T cream (applicator say 200mg/ml…ksman thinks it is 20% strength) 2 grain Thyroid SR, and 600 mcg of HCG/hydrochlorobolin. Also going to start start low dosing ghrp 6…is this what you r talking about MODOK?
If this post appears twice then my bad but just to be safe
To cover all my bases I wanted to post my diet for criticism
I did two 12 week dieting consult with a nat lvl bb last year. That slow progress during these two consecutive diets is what shown the light on my hormonal problem so ever since then my diet and fatloss has been stalled. I have kept the same diet ever since we have ended. So as you can guess I am still trying to lose the remainder of this fat.
thyroid sr 2grains
1 scoop Gerainamo
200mg caffeine
(90mins Fasted Cardio)
meal 1
1 whole egg
12 whites
3 slices sugar free whole wheat bread
2g fishoil
multi vit
meal 2 pre workout
50g whey isolate(true protien) 5g vreatine/5g glutamine/2g fishoil
2 scoops gerainamo
3 beta alanine capsules
200mg caffiene
1 tblsp od all nat almond butter
3 almonds
(lift)
after lift 20 mins cardio
meal 3 post workout
50g whey isolate(true protien) 5g vreatine/5g glutamine/2g fishoil
3 slices sugar free whole wheat bread
meal 4
6 oz chicken
1 half onion > cook these two in 1 tps of EVOO
2 cups broccolli
3 almonds (with stevia for sweet almonds)
meal 5
6 oz chicken
1 half onion > cook these two in 1 tps of EVOO
2 cups broccolli
3 almonds (with stevia for sweet almonds)
meal 6
12 eggwhites
multi vit
2 capsules GABA
3 caps GLA/CLA
2g fish oils
(in my eggwhites I put stevia and cinnamon and two tsp of immitaion vanilla ext for a french taost flavor eggs)(I also use a butter substitute called Promise- 5kcals per tblsp- on my bread)
I rarely if ever deviate from this. I do not give myself a choice and if I am still hungry afterwards I tough it out or drink a diet soda
AND Yeah I love almonds lol I do the 3 like a treat…any suggestions?
we started out carb cycling and this what constitues a low day…so now im on all low days
And this is not exactly the diet he gave me the only two things I changed was instead of the tsp of EVOO I use now he had me at 1.5 tblsp of all nat almond butter and the carb souces were oats and ez bread.
I still rotate oats in everynow and then I enjoy this bread alot more prolly cause of the gluten. Even in this small amount do u think the carb sources r a problem.? And I was on the diet b4 with the nat butter n original carb sources and weight did not budge so in effort to cut kcals I used evoo instaed of the almond butter
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
you have no muscle. add muscle and your metabolism will increase. And you are much more than 10lbs away from seeing abs. Attempting to drop to 170 at this point will not leave you satisfied and will not work out well from an aesthetic perspective. You need to build muscle.
What are you lifts currently? What were they before the fat loss stalled? What were they around 6 months prior to that? [/quote]
x2
here is a quick macro breakdwn
MAcros
did not add fats from fish oils or cla gla
TOTALS 2225 kcals/ 326g protein/ 66g Carbs (not counting veggies)/ 36g FAts
Meal1
460 kcals
58g protein
33g carbs
5g fat
Meal 2
340 kcals
50g protein
0g carbs
9g fat
meals 3
390 kcals
50g protein
33g carbs
0g fat
meal 4
410 kcals
58g protein
20g carbs (via veggies)
11g fat
Meal 5
410 kcals
58g protein
20g carbs (via veggies)
11g fat
meal 6
240kcals
52 g protein
0g carbs
0g fats
Fatloss time may be coming to an end, lol As i am beginning to accept the consensus. I want to have one last go at this b4 transitioning into a caloric surplus. My plan is to carry carb cycling out a couple more weeks and then keto until my bod adapts again and then done. Through this time I will try a combo of GHrp-6 and HGH Frag 176 with a couple cycs of clen. I think the trt will protect my hormones from tanking again.
If any one is interested I can post a log of my HGH frag use as I know there is not a whole lot of info out there. Started today current dose is 300 mcgs b4 90mins fasted am cardio and 100 mcgs prwo.