Fat Burning Stack

Diet and Nutrition
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I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

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[quote]mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss? [/quote]

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?[/quote]

It was part of a recommended stack in the Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread.

From what I can see it helps increase the thyroid which can boost metabolism

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[quote]mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?

It was part of a recommended stack in the Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread.

From what I can see it helps increase the thyroid which can boost metabolism[/quote]

It will only help if you have thyroid issues in the first place. The fact that you need to cut does not mean you have thyroid issues. Only a doctor can tell you that.

Either way I have no idea how you would meet his recommended dose. My only guess is that he was off on his dose. 1500mg of iodine is a shitload more than you should be taking in a day, possibly more than you should have in a week.

Also- not to nitpick- how do you “increase” your thyroid?

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?

It was part of a recommended stack in the Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread.

From what I can see it helps increase the thyroid which can boost metabolism

It will only help if you have thyroid issues in the first place. The fact that you need to cut does not mean you have thyroid issues. Only a doctor can tell you that.

Either way I have no idea how you would meet his recommended dose. My only guess is that he was off on his dose. 1500mg of iodine is a shitload more than you should be taking in a day, possibly more than you should have in a week.

Also- not to nitpick- how do you “increase” your thyroid?[/quote]

Yeah I wrote that and realized I shouldnt have put that. To quote CT:
“Kelp is a premium source of natual iodine (and several minerals). Iodine and L-Tyrosine are precursor, or building material, for thyroid hormones. In fact, kelp is so powerful that some studies have even shown that it can cause hyperthyroidism!”

That was the issue I had with kelp. The serving showed it only held 150mcg of iodine per pill which is no where close to what he recommends.

So do you suggest just cutting it out all together or just taking 150mcg a day which would just be one pill.

I will say that after taking:

  1. kelp 150mcg
  2. selenium 200mcg
  3. L-Tyrosine 1000mg
  4. HRX

I dont think I sweated as much in my life while working out. But if the kelp doesnt have any real benefit then I am not sure its worth taking.

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I’m not sure about the dose needed, and I only learned about kelp in that same CT article.

But as to why he recommand this, I think his logic is that after 2-4+ weeks of a low calorie diet, your metabolism (and thyroid) slows down so it’s hard to keep burning fat and the solution is not to eat even less as you’ll slow down even more. A catch 22 that many dieters have experienced.

So… after the initial stage you use supplements like HRx, kelp, selenium to boost your fat burning metabolism and keep the diet working longer.

I’m gonna try this is the near future for sure. I hope the recommanded doses are clarified. It does seem like a lot to me as well.

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[quote]mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?

It was part of a recommended stack in the Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread.

From what I can see it helps increase the thyroid which can boost metabolism

It will only help if you have thyroid issues in the first place. The fact that you need to cut does not mean you have thyroid issues. Only a doctor can tell you that.

Either way I have no idea how you would meet his recommended dose. My only guess is that he was off on his dose. 1500mg of iodine is a shitload more than you should be taking in a day, possibly more than you should have in a week.

Also- not to nitpick- how do you “increase” your thyroid?

Yeah I wrote that and realized I shouldnt have put that. To quote CT:
“Kelp is a premium source of natual iodine (and several minerals). Iodine and L-Tyrosine are precursor, or building material, for thyroid hormones. In fact, kelp is so powerful that some studies have even shown that it can cause hyperthyroidism!”

That was the issue I had with kelp. The serving showed it only held 150mcg of iodine per pill which is no where close to what he recommends.

So do you suggest just cutting it out all together or just taking 150mcg a day which would just be one pill.

I will say that after taking:

  1. kelp 150mcg
  2. selenium 200mcg
  3. L-Tyrosine 1000mg
  4. HRX

I dont think I sweated as much in my life while working out. But if the kelp doesnt have any real benefit then I am not sure its worth taking.

[/quote]

I can’t say it doesn’t have a benefit for you, and neither can you, because you have no clue what condition your thyroid is in.

I would concentrate on you diet first and foremost, keep on with the HRX and take the other three if you feel you aren’t getting enough in either your multi or in the veggies you eat.

The sweating is just the HRX by the way, not any of the others.

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[quote]SwD wrote:
I’m not sure about the dose needed, and I only learned about kelp in that same CT article.

But as to why he recommand this, I think his logic is that after 2-4+ weeks of a low calorie diet, your metabolism (and thyroid) slows down so it’s hard to keep burning fat and the solution is not to eat even less as you’ll slow down even more. A catch 22 that many dieters have experienced.

So… after the initial stage you use supplements like HRx, kelp, selenium to boost your fat burning metabolism and keep the diet working longer.

I’m gonna try this is the near future for sure. I hope the recommanded doses are clarified. It does seem like a lot to me as well.
[/quote]

His theory only applies to people who drastically cut their calories or who have no muscle mass to begin with. Both of which I hope do not apply to a member of T-Nation.

It takes a long time to slow your metabolism down by only going on a 250-500 cal deficit.

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You may want to throw some CLA in there with stack. Studies have shown good things about it’s ability to block fat formation, plus it’s good for your immune system.

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This stack is fine for anyone as recommended and will not harm you and will boost your thryoid even if it’s functioning and healthy, speeding fat loss. eengrms has given bad advice. [The reason I bumped up this thread was to double check on the dosages. I’ve used this stack with fantastic results and plan to use it again.] I believe those tyrsoine and kelp recommendations are also 2x daily too and not just the selenium. Correct me if I’m wrong or point me to CT’s original post, which I was looking for.

Edit: checked and the dosing of all compounds is 2x daily.

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You should ask CT.

But realize that 1500 mg of KELP is not the same as 1500 mg of IODINE.

Kelp is a seaweed. Some Asians munch a whole lot more than 1500 mg of it, as one of their food sources.

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[quote]andersons wrote:
You should ask CT.

But realize that 1500 mg of KELP is not the same as 1500 mg of IODINE.

Kelp is a seaweed. Some Asians munch a whole lot more than 1500 mg of it, as one of their food sources.

[/quote]

100 mg of kelp has 150 mcg of iodine.

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[quote]andersons wrote:
You should ask CT.

But realize that 1500 mg of KELP is not the same as 1500 mg of IODINE.

Kelp is a seaweed. Some Asians munch a whole lot more than 1500 mg of it, as one of their food sources.

[/quote]

The stack as posted is correct. It’s also great. I’ve used it.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

100 mg of kelp has 150 mcg of iodine. [/quote]

So you’re getting 2.25 mg of iodine daily in the 1500 mg of kelp.

Just clarifying because a couple posters are confused, thinking the stack recommended 1500 mg iodine. There is a big difference between taking 1500 mg iodine versus 1500 mg of kelp. We don’t want the OP running off and taking 1500 mg of iodine.

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What would be best taken right before cardio sessions. Right now I am taking BCAAs, caffiene, Spike and Vit C. What am I missing?

Not trying to highjack this thread, I thought the question was similar enough.

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I’m bumping this thread because I’ve just decided to add tyrosine to my ECA stack.

I see some of ya’ll have had good results with the stack listed, do you feel the kelp is really gonna get me anywhere with the tyrosine+ECA stack?

I added tyrosine for a couple reasons

A. It helps potentiate the anorectic effects of the E, which means you won’t have to raise the dose to get the same nice hunger killing effects.

B. It may help increase thermogenesis with the ECA and it helps replace NE in the brain, which is depleted by E, and if depleted, I hear fat loss can come to a screaching halt.

Plus it helps keep mood of from what I hear.

Now, I’ve taken 1500mg tyrosine with 1 dose of ECA so far, and in about 30 minutes I felt warmer, especially around my back and waste area. Now I know this may be totally placebo effect, but I’m going to guage it as well as continue to take oral temperature to see if I can see any raise in temp after using it.

Anyway, does anyone else know anything about tyrosine, particularly in conjunction with stimulants like EC, and does anyone think the kelp would be a useful addition?
Edit: I meant to say tyrosine.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
mattnxtc wrote:
I came across this stack on Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread, but since I didnt get much info on that thread I wanted to see what the supplements group thought about it.

The stack consists of:

  1. HOT-ROX Extreme
  2. Kelp 1500mg (500mg before each meal)
  3. Selenium 200mg twice daily
  4. L-Tyrosine 1600mg

Now my issue is this. I went to the Local vitamin world and it shows that the kelp has 150mcg of iodine per pill and to only take 1 pill per day. Now this doesnt appear to be anything near what CT says we need. Can anybody explain what I need to do with the Kelp? For what its worth, GNC had a very similar label.

Can anybody help me to get this stack perfected to use for fat loss?

Why are you taking Kelp for fat loss?

Let me rephrase that- why do you think you need it?

It was part of a recommended stack in the Christian Thibaudeau supplement thread.

From what I can see it helps increase the thyroid which can boost metabolism

It will only help if you have thyroid issues in the first place. The fact that you need to cut does not mean you have thyroid issues. Only a doctor can tell you that.

Either way I have no idea how you would meet his recommended dose. My only guess is that he was off on his dose. 1500mg of iodine is a shitload more than you should be taking in a day, possibly more than you should have in a week.

Also- not to nitpick- how do you “increase” your thyroid?

Yeah I wrote that and realized I shouldnt have put that. To quote CT:
“Kelp is a premium source of natual iodine (and several minerals). Iodine and L-Tyrosine are precursor, or building material, for thyroid hormones. In fact, kelp is so powerful that some studies have even shown that it can cause hyperthyroidism!”

That was the issue I had with kelp. The serving showed it only held 150mcg of iodine per pill which is no where close to what he recommends.

So do you suggest just cutting it out all together or just taking 150mcg a day which would just be one pill.

I will say that after taking:

  1. kelp 150mcg
  2. selenium 200mcg
  3. L-Tyrosine 1000mg
  4. HRX

I dont think I sweated as much in my life while working out. But if the kelp doesnt have any real benefit then I am not sure its worth taking.

I can’t say it doesn’t have a benefit for you, and neither can you, because you have no clue what condition your thyroid is in.

I would concentrate on you diet first and foremost, keep on with the HRX and take the other three if you feel you aren’t getting enough in either your multi or in the veggies you eat.

The sweating is just the HRX by the way, not any of the others.[/quote]

The thyroid doesn’t have to have anything wrong with it to slow down and need a boost back up. You don’t need a doctor to tell you this. Boosting thyroid and metabolism is as easy as having a carb heavy “cheat meal” once a week while leaning out the other 6 days. Been there, done that. It works.

Also, to the OP, cycle the HRX every two weeks +/-. The body acclimates itself to the stimulants. I was successful Monday of week 1 through Friday of week 2 on HRX, then taking 2-3 days off HRX and all caffeine and starting them back up usually Tuesday of week 3.